Arcanist and Summoner artwork

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Originally Posted by Darkhaund

Well looks "interesting"

I hope the SMN still gets to summon Carby
Btw I do hope they we dont back to the SMN suffering days

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Considering how classes and jobs work, Summoner will have access to all of the skills Arcanist does which means it will still have Carbuncle.

Books!
They read books!

Sorry I have to say this, if Arcanist uses books and goes on to summoner then how will my SCH ever happen!!!

Or if Arcanist is an enfeebler and goes on to summoner then how will RDM come about... think about it for a second.

But I would try SMN out.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Sorry I have to say this, if Arcanist uses books and goes on to summoner then how will my SCH ever happen!!!

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BLM and WHM have both staff weapons (more or less) so whats the matter?..

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Or if Arcanist is an enfeebler and goes on to summoner then how will RDM come about... think about it for a second.

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WHM is a healer, blm a damage caster... well how a redmage could ever came out in FF11, eh? ;XD you know what i mean?

also redmages have melee attacks, which mages dont have. never the less, rdm was never a very powerful class if you ask me.. he was a mix between 3 different classes (BLM/WHM/Melee) so he was not very good in each profession except for refresh, of course.
personally im not sad about rdm's if they are not going to happen.




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I am really afraid (when looking at the summoner artwork)

that we will be able to summon ifrit, garuda etc. like this:

Odin summoned FF11

which means... summon for just one attack and disappear. so carbuncle will be the ownly true pet for Summoner.
hopefully the translated presentation of today will clarify.

and for what is Fenrir and Siren Prime then? Prime Boss fights, no summon pets for the summoner?

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

BLM and WHM have both staff weapons (more or less) so whats the matter?..



WHM is a healer, blm a damage caster... well how a redmage could ever came out in FF11, eh? ;XD you know what i mean?

also redmages have melee attacks, which mages dont have. never the less, rdm was never a very powerful class if you ask me.. he was a mix between 3 different classes (BLM/WHM/Melee) so he was not very good in each profession except for refresh, of course.
personally im not sad about rdm's if they are not going to happen.

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RDM, Rapier, spells Refresh, Haste, nothing else.... Actually that sounds fine I can allow this now, except I want my SCH :p

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Sorry I have to say this, if Arcanist uses books and goes on to summoner then how will my SCH ever happen!!!

Or if Arcanist is an enfeebler and goes on to summoner then how will RDM come about... think about it for a second.

But I would try SMN out.

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RDM will come about quite easily. It wasn't always an enfeebler. In Tactics Advanced it had access to Rapier skills and basic white/black magics.

SCH could likely still be done in concept, just without a book.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

RDM will come about quite easily. It wasn't always an enfeebler. In Tactics Advanced it had access to Rapier skills and basic white/black magics.

SCH could likely still be done in concept, just without a book.

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I know, I know RDM has always had low level white and black magic, but making them an enfeebler in FFXI gave them something unique just a melee with low level white/black magic will not offer much unique in skills.

For SCH if I was thinking of a book weapon it would make a lot of choice for them to use it, what else could SCH use... hmm staves taken, clubs taken, books taken... and A4 ring binder? But eh lets not derail this thread even more, unless multiple jobs really will come from each class sometime.

Interesting enough. Books, huh? So I wonder if they're completely doing away with that odd staff idea, like the one Louisoux (the old man NPC) has.

Either way, I'm really liking this design. That coat is super awesome looking.

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Originally Posted by Tahldon

So I wonder if they're completely doing away with that odd staff idea, like the one Louisoux (the old man NPC) has.

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I was under the impression that was an elementalist/geomancer staff.

Personally kind of sad that Arcanist is a class shared by summoner job, just means that Arcanist is going to be a nerfed summoner who can use second wind.

I was hoping we would get really unique staves...atm I just can't relate a book weapon to my favorite job. Mystic was the one who used the book weapon in FFT iirc.

Also, the shoes look almost identical to dancer shoes lol :o

I am glad though the class/job is the way I hoped it would be..or so I think, Dot and Debuff ftw =D

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

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I am really afraid (when looking at the summoner artwork)

that we will be able to summon ifrit, garuda etc. like this:

Odin summoned FF11

which means... summon for just one attack and disappear. so carbuncle will be the ownly true pet for Summoner.
hopefully the translated presentation of today will clarify.

and for what is Fenrir and Siren Prime then? Prime Boss fights, no summon pets for the summoner?

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Siren is a boss fight, already confirmed. Also, you linked Odin in FFXI and didn't explain what it does -- Odin can automatically kill everything in radius if your summoning magic skill is capped and pushed ahead appropriately or deals massive damage to bosses (since zen never worked on bosses in other FF games) -- That is exactly why you summon him for 1 attack and he's gone, the rest of your avatars are out eternally doing damage/debuffing/buffing excluding Voidwatch because some of the bosses automatically engages pets when they spawn.

You completely ignored that X and XI technically(bolded for emphasis) remains as the only FF games that your summons are out for more than one attack, since Odin and Alexander (Perfect Defense, basically negates all damage) are the only exception to XI's rules.

What an embarrassing looking job, who would want to play that?

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Originally Posted by Trollestia

What an embarrassing looking job, who would want to play that?

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The one with the embarrassing pony signature. :3

Wait wait wait, if you go to the Arcanist guild, do all the NPCs not talk about the knowledge in books, etc etc.? I honestly may be wrong, but I feel like this happened lol.

that looks like a ponycorn with wings.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

The one with the embarrassing pony signature. :3

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EXCUSE ME. HOW MANY RELIC WEAPONS DO YOU HAVE IN THIS VIDEO GAME?

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Originally Posted by TenraiNagi

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...Txxb05Aum8.png

This is Archanist:
Main weapon is "Book", going to be a pet class, and will most probably make it at ARR launch.
Pros:

• Puts DOTs on enemies
• Debuffs enemies

There are 2 types of Carbuncle: Tank-type, Caster-type (they're going to be different visually)

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...TxxcAp6WKw.png
http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...Txx1ssLi7s.png

And Summoner (and this is his AF gear):
Will use the powers of the primals? or gets his power from their essence? Didn't get it >.<;;. Will not make it at launch, but will be in one of the earlier patches after launch.
Compared to Archanist:

• More pet types
• More powerful pet actions

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...Txx1goXDdw.png

And a little bit of cosplay ^^

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do you have youtube video for this cosplay show?

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Originally Posted by mizukage

do you have youtube video for this cosplay show?

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http://youtu.be/abE09-tqhoM

Here it is!

Was I the only one who got a , Yuna from dissidia, vibe off summoner?

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

Am i the only one who does not like the idea of the summoner artwork?

The AF seems dark and evil, that of a black mage.. and summoning essences , what should this mean? i hope we get clearification, when they upload the presentation on youtube.

will summoners summon versions of ifrit for just a single attack or what does that picture shows?
im hoping NOT.
i was also hoping for other summons than the typical ones..
that means Siren will be a primal boss, like fenrir as well?

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There is precedent for black mage summoners [Rydia, Terra], and quite frankly that's the direction I would like for Summoners in FFXIV. The whole white mage summoner kick is old and stale.

I'm most concerned about the summons themselves though - if I'm just summoning a nebulous blob most of the time I'll be pretty disappointed.

Love the armor, would rather have a whip/staff than a book.

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Originally Posted by Platinumstorm

There is precedent for black mage summoners [Rydia, Terra], and quite frankly that's the direction I would like for Summoners in FFXIV. The whole white mage summoner kick is old and stale.

I'm most concerned about the summons themselves though - if I'm just summoning a nebulous blob most of the time I'll be pretty disappointed.

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If we're talking about the few instances prior to later games in terms of 'precedents', WHM should have been part of the Archer branch and not BRD.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

If we're talking about the few instances prior to later games in terms of 'precedents', WHM should have been part of the Archer branch and not BRD.

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Oh wow I'm totally confused I think you have your Job names in the wrong places.

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Originally Posted by Trollestia

I HAVE A RELIC WEAPON, THEREFORE I CAN PUT LAME PONY PICTURE IN MY SIG

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I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Books!
They hit people with books!

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Fixed that for accuracy.

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Originally Posted by Tobalito

Was I the only one who got a , Yuna from dissidia, vibe off summoner?

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I didn't get that vibe, and plus it's only concept art.

She has Troll in her name. Stop feeding her. >_>

Hmm, tanking? Im gonna assume that that is for personal tanking, so Arcanists dont get eaten when out solo? It would be wierd for them to be a main tank.

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Originally Posted by Amsai

Hmm, tanking? Im gonna assume that that is for personal tanking, so Arcanists dont get eaten when out solo? It would be wierd for them to be a main tank.

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That's my guess. I'd also wager to say that the pets for SMN aren't as viable as Carbuncle at tanking.

I wonder what 2 class' abilities SMN will be limited to?

I suppose CON would make the most sense, but if it was also THM, it'd be the first Job to have access to all the elemental nukes and the widest range of spells. I'm not sure BLM's would be happy with that...

GLA would just make SMN the most soloable job, eliminating the need for having Arcanist.

MRD abilities do nothing for a mage class

LNC's abilities only help a melee, so no go there.

PGL is taken by BLM, and having both CON and PGL spells will also give it a wide range of healing, too wide? It's still a possibility.

ARC has emnity- abilities, and seems more likely.

Depending on what provides the most debuff and DoTs access, will depend on whether I play as Arcanist or Summoner. To tell you the truth, arcanist/summoner wasnt even on my radar (im usually melee only) til I read the part about DoTs and debuffs. So even if summoner has powerful avatars, if they dont have access to the most/best DoTs and debuffs, Ill likely ignore summoner and play as Arcanist.

I guess the biggest factor in all that is just how much are they changing class vs job functionality for 2.0?

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Sorry I have to say this, if Arcanist uses books and goes on to summoner then how will my SCH ever happen!!!

Or if Arcanist is an enfeebler and goes on to summoner then how will RDM come about... think about it for a second.

But I would try SMN out.

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Keep in mind that its going to take two sub classes to make a job. Arcanist is possibly going to be that sub class for RDM maybe? Anything is possible honestly. This just goes to show you that they're doing stuff unconventional.

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Originally Posted by Paddle

Keep in mind that its going to take two sub classes to make a job. Anarchistic is possibly going to be that sub class for RDM maybe? Anything is possible honestly. This just goes to show you that they're doing stuff unconventional.

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They should break it down into 6+ classes. And make equipment and gear for all of them.

Like ... Fire Summoner. Earth Summoner. Etc.

I think this would be good for the video game.

They should also each have their own AF armor and relic weapons.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Or if Arcanist is an enfeebler and goes on to summoner then how will RDM come about...

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Like this that branches from this?

Glad to see Arcanist and Summoner have dedicated mechanics rather than being all over the place. Given the way things may work, they probably won't have to suffer from a 1-minute BP timer like they did in FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Like this?

Glad to see Arcanist and Summoner have dedicated mechanics rather than being all over the place. Given the way things may work, they probably won't have to suffer from a 1-minute BP timer like they did in FFXI.

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30 second or less and they'll have timers just like everyone else in XIV currently ;p

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Originally Posted by Denmo

That's my guess. I'd also wager to say that the pets for SMN aren't as viable as Carbuncle at tanking.

I wonder what 2 class' abilities SMN will be limited to?

I suppose CON would make the most sense, but if it was also THM, it'd be the first Job to have access to all the elemental nukes and the widest range of spells. I'm not sure BLM's would be happy with that...

GLA would just make SMN the most soloable job, eliminating the need for having Arcanist.

MRD abilities do nothing for a mage class

LNC's abilities only help a melee, so no go there.

PGL is taken by BLM, and having both CON and PGL spells will also give it a wide range of healing, too wide? It's still a possibility.

ARC has emnity- abilities, and seems more likely.

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Judging by this I'm gunning for CNJ/ARC

I tell you guys what though... I sure am glad to see "Primal Essences" rather than a bunch of little elementals!

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Originally Posted by Tahldon

I tell you guys what though... I sure am glad to see "Primal Essences" rather than a bunch of little elementals!

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Truth.

I was worried they were going to summon the stupid XIV elementals.

I like the artwork. It's cool they use books. Like the AF design. And Carby is super cute. Do want.

Thumbs up.

I really had no interest in playing Arcanist/Summoner until I read they use books as their weapons. Book casters rule. Reminds me of Leon from Star Ocean 2.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Truth.

I was worried they were going to summon the stupid XIV elementals.

I like the artwork. It's cool they use books. Like the AF design. And Carby is super cute. Do want.

Thumbs up.

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I think summoner should have only elementals and then have to combined them with other summoners to make an avatar.

Different combinations will make different things like a water garuda or an icy ifrit.

I think this will be better for the game because it will add more options for player customization.

These changes should also have their own equipment, AF, and relic weapons.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

I was worried they were going to summon the stupid XIV elementals.

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Totally the wrong game, but did they ever make the summoned elementals from XI ever useful?