Gil and Monsters dropping it

I hope there is a slime monster that is found in some sewer like area.

Name that monster after poop and then let the jokes fly.

basically, monsters seem to be magical in nature. in FFXIV they drop crystal shards, charged with various energies. said crystals are used in the creation of goods, so naturally there's quite a bit of demand for them. You see this in the storyline too, with the various cities clamoring for crystals and trading with the beastmen, and the tensions brewing between the cities and the beastmen using said shards to summon their primals instead.

In single player final fantasy games though, you don't really see said elemental crystal shards dropping from monsters. sure you get other loot, like bomb fragments and marboro vines, but where are the crystals? The monsters magical energy has to go somewhere when they're defeated - in FFX for instance, you see fiends exploding back into pyreflies and the elements of air/water/earth they were formed of when you beat them. So why wouldn't people in a world of magic harvest said dissipating energy and condense it into something more compact? and in doing so, why wouldnt said energy be used as a form of currency? (which i speculate might be gil in the offline games, and why every monster in said games drops gil.) After all, currency originally was anything of value you could trade for other things of value. It wasnt until later that things like paper money were invented, to serve as a stand in for actual valued goods.

And since it's something that would get used up in the process of using it as an energy source to synthesize items, speed the growth of crops, use as an energy source to power wards on buildings, etc; and since monsters aren't something any average person can go fight, it would prove to be a viable form of currency.

But because it wouldn't be practical to have every mob drop gil in an online game (unless gil was used instead of crystal shards to power synthesis and such, then MAYBE it would work), they had monsters drop crystal shards and left gil as a representation of wealth, just like our paper money is in real life.

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Originally Posted by Gokulo

According to who?

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According to me? It ruins my immersion should monster not drop money.

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Originally Posted by Irana

Somedays I log into the game and think "why is crafting, gathering and farming for mats dropped by monsters the only way to make gil?"

I for one hate all of the above and one thing I loved in most mmos and in offline FF games is the fact that money dropped from monsters, the higher the mob level the higher amount of money it would drop.

I, for one, would gladly spend hours a day going out into the fields and mass murdering mobs for their gil without ever needing to set foot on a city to sell mats or whatever else.

In short, please add gil drops from all mobs that rises in quantity according to their level.

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If gil was abundant from mobs gil farmers aka RMT would input billions of it everyday making that money you got from mobs worthless. You would need to buy from them in the end to buy anything in the game.

You have the option to farm or hunt. Maybe you are not an adventurer and playing the wrong type of game if you can't put any effort on those.

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Originally Posted by Risae

The monsters HAVE to drop money, or else this is not a real Final Fantasy.

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I'm sorry, but you are playing Final Fantasy

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Originally Posted by Risae

According to me? It ruins my immersion should monster not drop money.

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My immersion is ruined by jumping.

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Originally Posted by Trollestia

My immersion is ruined by jumping.

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This thread is not about the ability to jump in 2.0.

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

I'm sorry, but you are playing Final Fantasy

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What, really? I thought i was playing World of Fantasy.

My immersion would be ruined if Goobbue mounts can't jump while chocobos can.

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Originally Posted by Psion

basically, monsters seem to be magical in nature. in FFXIV they drop crystal shards, charged with various energies. said crystals are used in the creation of goods, so naturally there's quite a bit of demand for them. You see this in the storyline too, with the various cities clamoring for crystals and trading with the beastmen, and the tensions brewing between the cities and the beastmen using said shards to summon their primals instead.

In single player final fantasy games though, you don't really see said elemental crystal shards dropping from monsters. sure you get other loot, like bomb fragments and marboro vines, but where are the crystals? The monsters magical energy has to go somewhere when they're defeated - in FFX for instance, you see fiends exploding back into pyreflies and the elements of air/water/earth they were formed of when you beat them. So why wouldn't people in a world of magic harvest said dissipating energy and condense it into something more compact? and in doing so, why wouldnt said energy be used as a form of currency? (which i speculate might be gil in the offline games, and why every monster in said games drops gil.) After all, currency originally was anything of value you could trade for other things of value. It wasnt until later that things like paper money were invented, to serve as a stand in for actual valued goods.

And since it's something that would get used up in the process of using it as an energy source to synthesize items, speed the growth of crops, use as an energy source to power wards on buildings, etc; and since monsters aren't something any average person can go fight, it would prove to be a viable form of currency.

But because it wouldn't be practical to have every mob drop gil in an online game (unless gil was used instead of crystal shards to power synthesis and such, then MAYBE it would work), they had monsters drop crystal shards and left gil as a representation of wealth, just like our paper money is in real life.

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or we can use the conventional approach like using precious ore: silver, gold, electrum
the beastman use this, like the Amaljaan and Kobold which both use a form of well known ore/mineral
and since we, the player, is also a sentient life form just like the beastmen, it is safe to assume that we, the player, also use some form of precious ore/mineral

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Originally Posted by Risae

This thread is not about the ability to jump in 2.0.



What, really? I thought i was playing World of Fantasy.

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my immersion is ruined by your immersion

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

or we can use the conventional approach like using precious ore: silver, gold, electrum
the beastman use this, like the Amaljaan and Kobold which both use a form of well known ore/mineral
and since we, the player, is also a sentient life form just like the beastmen, it is safe to assume that we, the player, also use some form of precious ore/mineral

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Well, yeah, in this game we use precious metals as a form of currency, i was just musing that gil might not be a precious metal but instead a type of energy in some offline final fantasies, lorewise. After all, raw goods are very valuable forms of currency... but energy is something that is often even more valuable, especially if it's a type of magical energy that could be converted into various other types of energy. (kinetic, electrical, thermal, etc.) In real life you see just how important energy is to modern life. A blackout these days is devastating, especially during extreme weather conditions. Now consider a world where theres not only technology that requires energy, but magical items and wards that require energy of their own to power too. Energy would be even more highly valued then, especially one that can be easily converted into whatever type you need.

But in this game said energy comes in the form of crystal shards, and gil is definitely a type of metal. :P Although lorewise, such crystals are used as a form of currency in this game too.

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

my immersion is ruined by your immersion

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This is not how videogames work.

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Originally Posted by Risae

According to me? It ruins my immersion should monster not drop money.

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Final Fantasy XI, only beastmen types dropped gil and gil on that game was hard to come by (till Abyssea)

I like only beast/humonoid types having gil

I really enjoyed this thread! For me the reason why mobs shouldn't drop gil is very simple. The only reason I have been able to get my luminary tools is because I have been able to buy things like hides that other people, who like to kill thing, have farmed. Farming them myself would have taken too much time. The reason these useful items are being farmed is that they sell for good gil. If mobs dropped gil as well then the people out killing would stop killing things that crafters need and kill whatever drops the most gil and the economy would be seriously broken.

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Originally Posted by Fear

Final Fantasy XI, only beastmen types dropped gil and gil on that game was hard to come by (till Abyssea)

I like only beast/humonoid types having gil

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Why do sheep drop armor?

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Originally Posted by Risae

Why do sheep drop armor?

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They ate a guy wearing armor.

Obviously!

realistic? realistic?? ahaha. ahaha.... HAAHAHAHAHAHAH. i'm sorry.. I just. I'm sorry, I have nothing to contribute. proceed lol

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Originally Posted by Doho

realistic? realistic?? ahaha. ahaha.... HAAHAHAHAHAHAH. i'm sorry.. I just. I'm sorry, I have nothing to contribute. proceed lol

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My thoughts on this entire thread...

I just thought I would interject on the original point real quick before we go back to ripping each other apart piece by piece. You do know that many raw materials that drop from monsters are worth ludicrous amounts of gil on the market right? I'm just saying, it may not be Kill -> Gil, but how hard is it to add that one extra step to Kill -> Sell -> Gil?

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Originally Posted by Hulan

I just thought I would interject on the original point real quick before we go back to ripping each other apart piece by piece. You do know that many raw materials that drop from monsters are worth ludicrous amounts of gil on the market right? I'm just saying, it may not be Kill -> Gil, but how hard is it to add that one extra step to Kill -> Sell -> Gil?

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Considering how long it takes to sell things in this laggy version.... its a big step

Yeah everyone is pretty much right...if a lot of Gil dropped from mobs, the Gil would be like USD turning into pesos...(which probably isn't far off lol ><)

I once killed a lvl49 zombie and it dropped 1 gil.

Imagine if all monsters in the game had 1 gil on them. Everyone would just stop what they are doing and start farming star marmots. Everyone would become rich sooooo fast and be walking around with all quad-melds and relic weapons. THE HORROR!!!


. . . . no actually it would have little to no impact on anything.

Even more farm bots >_< I think its fine now. You can also do leves, lets see - maybe there will be more ways to get gil later.

I don't think you should be able to farm gil directly, but rather items that can sell into gil. I understand w/ the current MW system atm selling items isn't the funnest thing to do still if we introduce gil to be easier to obtain through monsters then crafting classes would really lose their shine, who would farm the materials? why farm or craft anyways when there's gil readily simply by killing. Not to mention the inflation this would bring, like someone mentioned before, curor to gil chocoblinkers in xi atm.

Of course you can already farm items to turn into gil. marmot fur does sell to vendors, and for more than a lvl 2 star marmot would drop in actual gil.

Sounds like someone wants to be silver spoon fed.

Sell the misc. drops to NPCs, put sought after materials in the wards..
So in a sense mobs do already drop money 8D

They drop things that are worth money...so in turn, they drop money, you just have to exchange it.

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Originally Posted by Reika

The game shyed away from its realistic approch when it got named Final Fantasy.

Also, when they un-realisticized crafting.

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Do you even know what Realism means? Compare FLYFF with FFXIV, you should realize what a 'realistic approach' is then.

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

why would a dodo have gil?
totally ruin the immersion

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Your posts ruin immersion.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Do you even know what Realism means? Compare FLYFF with FFXIV, you should realize what a 'realistic approach' is then.

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Both are video games and not real life -.-. One in question has cat girls, elves, and thos little guys who are just as strong as roegadyn. So wheres the realism? Characters look and move more 'real' than in other games? thats about all you can get from realism out of a final fantasy.

We'll have a Casino in the not to distant future, then you can gamble for your money.

Just asking but does the forum have a "ignore" button anywhere? I know a person who's name start with R and ends in E that I would love to use it on.

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Originally Posted by Irana

Just asking but does the forum have a "ignore" button anywhere? I know a person who's name start with R and ends in E that I would love to use it on.

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not that I know. besides, it bad to ignoring people. who's this person btw?

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Originally Posted by Yucie

Your posts ruin immersion.

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your immersion on my post about my immersion ruins everyone immersion

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Originally Posted by rina_inverse

your immersion on my post about my immersion ruins everyone immersion

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I M M E R S I O N C E P T I O N

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Originally Posted by Doho

I M M E R S I O N C E P T I O N

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You know, that actually a good idea
I remember Puna (or someone else) suggesting to have more dream sequence
Why not make it like Inception!

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Originally Posted by Irana

Somedays I log into the game and think "why is crafting, gathering and farming for mats dropped by monsters the only way to make gil?"

I for one hate all of the above and one thing I loved in most mmos and in offline FF games is the fact that money dropped from monsters, the higher the mob level the higher amount of money it would drop.

I, for one, would gladly spend hours a day going out into the fields and mass murdering mobs for their gil without ever needing to set foot on a city to sell mats or whatever else.

In short, please add gil drops from all mobs that rises in quantity according to their level.

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i agree with you

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Originally Posted by Irana

I for one.. hate...

I loved in most mmos...

I, for one, would gladly...

In short, please add gil drops from all mobs that rises in quantity according to their level.

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Good for you but you're swimming in an ocean of I's

Excuse me for being a rude but these "suggestion box" things that don't bring up ideas that would be more useful and intriguing for the game get annoying.. Nope, just people demanding the game cater to them individually. BE A TEAM PLAYER FOO'!

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

They drop things that are worth money...so in turn, they drop money, you just have to exchange it.

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this, all mobs drop gil already, directly or indirectly

edit: sry "all monsters", technically pc, npc and monsters are all mobs

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Originally Posted by Irana

Somedays I log into the game and think "why is crafting, gathering and farming for mats dropped by monsters the only way to make gil?"

I for one hate all of the above and one thing I loved in most mmos and in offline FF games is the fact that money dropped from monsters, the higher the mob level the higher amount of money it would drop.

I, for one, would gladly spend hours a day going out into the fields and mass murdering mobs for their gil without ever needing to set foot on a city to sell mats or whatever else.

In short, please add gil drops from all mobs that rises in quantity according to their level.

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Technically they do;
If a Dodoskin lands in your inventory you sell it to the NPC right? (well some do some don't)

It's gil in its own right, rather than having a purse on a monster.


Side Note: Someone may have already said this, but I'm only a quarter of the way through my morning coffee... so I don't care.

in XI i would farm the 3 NM shahayin in SSG, loved it, cause it was a challenge to do it solo and the rewards were good. if u knew what u were doing.

Again Im talking about not needing to deal with reading the market, I just want to stay out in the world having fun killing stuff and making money without needing to go to town, fight to get my retainer on a spot then look through a mirage of stock market prices to figure out what I want to sell at what price.