Please increase aetherwall gained from Alliance Raid Roulette

'you're tired of crystal tower? well, here have some 'content' to do it even more'

It is based on expansion it seems afterall. I only did the one daily roulette each for the bonus and yesterday I got Garuda as my trial. Now the trial aether is way behind the other 3 :(

Oddly enough my alliance raid aetherwell has the most out of the others. Gotten Jeuno everytime so definitely dont mind that, less future coins to farm.

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Oddly enough my alliance raid aetherwell has the most out of the others. Gotten Jeuno everytime so definitely dont mind that, less future coins to farm.

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i'm jelaous. no matter how long im gonna take a break from crystal tower i'll never get rid of my tiredness of it. its not at all a fun time for me no matter how short it is

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Oddly enough my alliance raid aetherwell has the most out of the others. Gotten Jeuno everytime so definitely dont mind that, less future coins to farm.

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Yeah I got Jeuno and tower the first few times which was a nice change of pace.

If you get Crystal Tower, I recommend just doing a queue again. I've only got Crystal Tower once, so I farmed it a bit and got 2x Aglaia and 1x Nier (999 points). Now I have twice as many points in the Alliance Raid category.

I'm about 1/4 done in 3 days just by doing daily bonus, so 12 days of work?, this is adequate, if you need to rush, do more runs that are paying less. This is like a rested exp system, totally fine.

I really do wish any of the Myths of the Realms raids would pop more frequently. Euphrosyne actually popped for me yesterday and was really pleased to play that one again. It never pops either on roulette or if you queue it in it's own right.

https://i.imgur.com/lLYLNcw.png
A Relic Reborn: the Chimera, only 31 aether. :O

High level dungeons and alliance raids are in a good place, the other two not so much. I know some people are going to try to grind it without the bonus, but that's crazy.

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Originally Posted by ehbiwtf

I know some people are going to try to grind it without the bonus, but that's crazy.

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Plenty of people have already finished, I am also pushing but slower compared to many, and this is my progress so far

https://i.imgur.com/rSBNxJC.png

Not touching Alliance Raid or Raids again, aside from daily bonus, until HLD and Trials are at at least 8000.

Personally, I don't think it is too bad, ques are extremely fast at the moment, consistently getting less than a minute as a DPS, and the fact the rewards are proportional to average clear time makes it not feel awful if you get a "dud", I *prefer* to get Ageless Necropolis to The Navel, but it's acceptable enough.

You know I've been thinking on this for a while and I'm wondering why didn't they just make it so that the daily bonus makes it so that you get a certain amount of aether every day? I don't think it would feel so bad getting low aether duties then. Say syrcus tower gives 100 the bonus aether would be 900 and say nier raid gives 800 the bonus would be 200? Then people grinding after daily bonus would still need to grind a lot and people doing it once a day wouldn't feel as bad getting lower level duties.

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Originally Posted by ehbiwtf

High level dungeons and alliance raids are in a good place, the other two not so much. I know some people are going to try to grind it without the bonus, but that's crazy.

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And Chimera takes, what, a minute? Maybe two?

In my experience, all of the roulettes are actually in a fine place. Assuming no shenanigans, you can expect roughly 25 aether per minute on the instance timer (ignoring the bonus):

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Bonus, Roulette, Instance, Time taken, Base Aether, Bonus Aether, Total Aether, Base Aether per minute

Daily, Alliance Raid, Void Ark,          19min, 492, 101, 593, 26
Daily, Alliance Raid, Orbonne Monastary,  31min, 860, 101, 961, 28
No,    Alliance Raid, Orbonne Monastary,  34min, 860,  0, 860, 25
No,    Alliance Raid, LotA,              18min, 374,  0, 374, 21
No,    Alliance Raid, LotA,              16min, 374,  0, 374, 23
No,    Alliance Raid, LotA,              16min, 374,  0, 374, 23
No,    Alliance Raid, Syrcus,            15min, 356,  0, 356, 24
No,    Alliance Raid, WoD,                19min, 459,  0, 459, 24
No,    Alliance Raid, WoD,                17min, 459,  0, 459, 27
No,    Alliance Raid, Jeuno,              28min, 753,  0, 753, 27


Daily, Normal Raid,  O12N,                6min, 171, 614, 785, 29
Daily, Normal Raid,  P3N,                5min, 130, 614, 744, 26
Daily, Normal Raid,  M2N,                7min, 170, 614, 784, 24
No,    Normal Raid,  A11N,                6min, 139,  0, 139, 23
No,    Normal Raid,  A12N,                7min, 172,  0, 172, 25
No,    Normal Raid,  O1N,                4min, 104,  0, 104, 26
No,    Normal Raid,  O1N,                4min, 104,  0, 104, 26
No,    Normal Raid,  E5N,                7min, 160,  0, 160, 23
No,    Normal Raid,  P7N,                7min, 144,  0, 144, 21
No,    Normal Raid,  P9N,                6min, 161,  0, 161, 27
No,    Normal Raid,  M1N,                5min, 155,  0, 155, 31
No,    Normal Raid,  M4N,                7min, 174,  0, 174, 25
No,    Normal Raid,  M8N,                9min, 213,  0, 213, 24

Daily, Trials,        Big Bridge,          3min,  74, 614, 688, 25
Daily, Trials,        Thornmarch,          4min,  96, 614, 710, 24
Daily, Trials,        Voidcast Dais,      7min, 193, 614, 807, 28
No,    Trials,        Chrysalis,          5min, 134,  0, 134, 27
No,    Trials,        Leviathan,          3min,  71,  0,  71, 24
No,    Trials,        Relic Reborn: Hydra, 2min,  37,  0,  37, 19
No,    Trials,        Dragon's Neck,      3min,  78,  0,  78, 26
No,    Trials,        Bismarck,            5min, 118,  0, 118, 24
No,    Trials,        Final Day,          12min, 295,  0, 295, 25
No,    Trials,        Rubicante,          6min, 168,  0, 168, 28

Daily, x0 Dungeons,  Halatali (Hard),    13min, 338, 376, 714, 26
Daily, x0 Dungeons,  Aetherfont,        14min, 406, 376, 782, 29
Daily, x0 Dungeons,  Kugane Castle,      14min, 364, 376, 740, 26
No,    x0 Dungeons,  Braflox (Hard),      9min, 278,  0, 278, 31
No,    x0 Dungeons,  ???,                16min, 477,  0, 477, 30

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Maybe some adjustments could be made to take into account the proportion of time spent in the queue vs. in the instance.

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Originally Posted by MarniDawg

You know I've been thinking on this for a while and I'm wondering why didn't they just make it so that the daily bonus makes it so that you get a certain amount of aether every day?

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The alliance raid roulette is the only one that really suffers that problem: The bonus aether is always the same, but the base aether varies wildly because clear times vary wildly.

What's your BAPM when you adjust for total time, not just the time in the duty from when the timer starts. I'd guess you spend more time waiting on cutscenes and queues, than you do for some of those shorter fights. That's going to bring the averages way down for trials and normal raids, while an extra few mins on a 30 minute duty doesn't change much.

https://i.imgur.com/hSJW7Go.png

This is what I got from doing each roulette once per day.

yeah idk i queued for alliance and whenever I got smth with low points I just... left... (which is hella stupid!)

surprisingly i got thaleia twice and the first lvl 100 raid once.
which still means a lot of crystal tower, but less than expected lol.

but still there was a major difference between my points.

i think the relic step is fine as is