Is it just me, or does 2.0 look like it was a LOWER graphical quality than 1.0?

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

Yes, it is you. I saw the gameplay today at Gamescom and it is WAY BETTER than 1.0 and I am almost certain this was not the highest quality they were playing it at.

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Proof ?

/10char

It may be of lower graphical quality but the world looks more alive and interesting. i.e. FFXI. Also I like the idea of stepping into Ul'dah and actually seeing a bajillion people running around.

They said they were going to reduce quality to allow more people to play it. But by doing so, they relied on tricks to make the game actually look better in some aspects, such as Lightning and shadows.

So instead of having a powerful graphically intensive game that abuses a lot of shine and bloom effects, they did good ol' fashioned practical effects. And you know what? The game actually looks BETTER overall as a result.

Individual models may be of a slightly lower poly count for performance reasons. However, the world in general will (and does, so far) look much better thanks to the more varied terrain and architecture, the new lighting system, and so forth.

Higher graphics quality does not always mean better looking.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...1.17.51_PM.png

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Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

The same reason they made another MMO in order to eventually replace their already pretty old one..... yet it dint work as inteded... see what i did there ?

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...........No.

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

Yes, it is you. I saw the gameplay today at Gamescom and it is WAY BETTER than 1.0 and I am almost certain this was not the highest quality they were playing it at.

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How was the grass?

Well my opinion.. on this picture for example the graphics look great.. nice lightning.. MUCH MUCH more small details than we have ever now.:
http://www.rpgsite.net/images/screen...8142012_02.jpg

then i look at this picture and i think.. this should be final fantasy style? this cathedral reminds me a bit of Warhammer Online (no not WoW -.- )

http://www.rpgsite.net/images/screen...8142012_08.jpg


well we have to see how it will look in action.

I think 2.0 looks way better than 1.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFl9TllMmes


HD video of the video lololol

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Originally Posted by neorei

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFl9TllMmes


HD video of the video lololol

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"ouuuh" ^^

Pretty sure they said they were going to optimize the graphics for less high-end PCs when they first revealed 2.0. It looks just as good to me, and I'm hoping I can actually have my settings on standard, since I've been playing with most on low.

and less lags

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Originally Posted by Mockingjay

Pretty sure they said they were going to optimize the graphics for less high-end PCs when they first revealed 2.0. It looks just as good to me, and I'm hoping I can actually have my settings on standard, since I've been playing with most on low.

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You are going to see a huge improvement.

You need an eye check, you can CLEARLY see that 2.0 destroys 1.0 graphics.

1.0 Graphics are like Super Mario Bros.
http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/...dern-sound.jpg

2.0 Graphics are like Super Mario Bros 3
http://www.nes-bit.com/wp-content/up...os-3-E_001.png

Same system.
Better optimisation.
Better art design.

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Originally Posted by NefarioCall

1.0 Graphics are like Super Mario Bros.
http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/...dern-sound.jpg

2.0 Graphics are like Super Mario Bros 3
http://www.nes-bit.com/wp-content/up...os-3-E_001.png

Same system.
Better optimisation.
Better art design.

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Man, Super Mario Bros. 3 has hideous grass! Repeating textures? BLEH!

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Originally Posted by NefarioCall

1.0 Graphics are like Super Mario Bros.
http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/...dern-sound.jpg

2.0 Graphics are like Super Mario Bros 3
http://www.nes-bit.com/wp-content/up...os-3-E_001.png

Same system.
Better optimisation.
Better art design.

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This is a good way to put it. Graphically one doesn't seem superior to another. I will still say 2.0 looks better because of the shadow and texture quality and the environments look more engaging and not bland.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Why would they rebuild the graphics engine to get lower quality?

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So that more people can afford to play the game. Sub fees plus the cost of building a top of the line pc kept a lot of people from even trying 1.0.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

So that more people can afford to play the game. Sub fees plus the cost of building a top of the line pc kept a lot of people from even trying 1.0.

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I fail to see how lowering graphical quality has anything to do with making the game more accessible. After all, you can set the current game to "Low" and still not be able to play it on the low-end of PCs. And everyone knows that the "low" setting on this game is some pretty horrendous quality.

2.0 is not going to go lower than 1.0 "low" which is what the OP seems to suggest. That would be illogical.

This is what Yoshi is ACTUALLY doing:

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Yoshida: It’s the opposite, if current version is high quality then we wouldn’t of recreated the graphics engine. Current versions graphic engine has too much waste and makes it heavy. Specially the ground shader. Right now we have too much shaders and due to collision it makes it really heavy. We can make it much more lighter and in 2.0 not only shaders but we want to include technology such as Ambient Occlusion or Sky Visibility in it.

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Making the engine more efficient and easier on lower end PCs does not mean lowering quality at all.

You're out of your mind if you think 2.0 looks worse.

Stand under a tree or a ledge in the current version. What happens? Nothing, because the game's "lighting" system is a joke.


See how the trees are casting shadows on your character and the enemy?

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/img/sc..._20_PUB_06.jpg


2.0 makes 1.0 look like a high-def FFXI, an artifact of last-generation console graphics. The fact that they can get the game to look this good on low-end hardware is astounding.

From the interviews with Yoshi, I thought it was basically this:
1) Looks good on low end machines, through optimization, controlling the number rendered NPC's, tricks to make something appear more detailed than it is.
2) High End Machines - OMFG, and OMFG look at all the NPC's I can render at the same time.

Make sure to save up some $$$ and grab yourself a 27" 2560X1440 Monitor.

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Originally Posted by ShepardG

No .
NO .


It makes ABSOLUTLEY no sense to post an UNFOUNDED concern about something that has been addressed MULTIPLE TIMES
AND IT HAPPENS CONSTANTLY ON THESE FORUMS.

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Welcome to the official FF Forums my friend: where the hell have you been lol?

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Originally Posted by Meta

2.0 makes 1.0 look like a high-def FFXI, an artifact of last-generation console graphics. The fact that they can get the game to look this good on low-end hardware is astounding.

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Reiny just posted Yoshi's explanation of how he does it.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

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Mr. Yoshida in the end started playing with the Core i5 laptop.
Y: This is low rendering settings. The frame rate is lower but the texture remains. It's something like this. In the further tree's shadow, there is actually a secret where, when you approach, you can see detailed features, when further away, it displays with lower resolution. Can say this for Playstation3 version as well, but when looking at a still state you won’t be able to tell the difference between the High and Low quality. When you concentrate while moving, you may say “Oh the LOD (The polygon changes depending on distance) is different” but that’s about it. We are also making adjustments so the LOD naturally changes. Textures resolution may drop but is most likely equal.

Wouldn’t be hard when lots of players gather for stuff like popular content?
Y: For me I have it set to High Quality at all times but it’s possible to turn off other players shadow to make it lighter or or for myself keep the high model but setup for everything else to LOW or nearby settings to middle or low to make it lighter. We made it so you don’t have to go out to title screen to do this and can make adjustments on that spot. Also lots of contents are instanced in FFXIV 2.0 so when encountering contents such as large scale PVP there might be times where it gets heavy for a bit but not to a point where you get fed up with. Right now the the settings are made so even if you drop the quality or frame rate of nearby characters to preserve your graphics at same time to show as much players possible, so you don’t need to replace your PC.

Mr. Yoshida playing with the PC. Per Mr. Yoshida this PC is actually the one project manager is using in reality.
Will it run with onboard graphics card?
Y: It will depend on the onboard card. However the requirement for graphics chip isn’t that high, if you can turn off different settings it will run, that is the concept. But lots of players will take screenshot of them as Final Fantasy so I don’t want the quality of the images to be lower than what Final Fantasy should be so I’m keeping that in mind.

So the environment doesn’t require Core 2 QUAD or GTS 250 like current?
Y: I will announce the lowest operating environment before the alpha test so please wait until then. We will also prepare a new benchmark software where you can feel the game. We will show more drastic images so please look forward to the updates.

Response - Tag so this post shows up on Sumlimen tracker

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TL;DR -- Lower end PCs will be able to calibrate their clients to preserve a higher quality on all the things that the player feels they want higher quality on.

I vividly recall somewhere Yoshi or someone else mentioning that the gfx engine was being redone so that it would run better on a wider variety of hardware, however, at it's highest settings would actually be more demanding than 1.X.

Kinda screams dx11 to me...

That's not 2.0...

It's a video of a video of Alpha... /sigh

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Originally Posted by Katie

That's not 2.0...

It's a video of a video of Alpha... /sigh

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Don't forget the screenshots, and nice post edit.

Aside from gear/mobs, the graphics of this game are below par. 2.0 looks much better, drawing distance, shadowing, etc.

To say that it's a downgrade is rather shallow.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

Aside from gear/mobs, the graphics of this game are below par. 2.0 looks much better, drawing distance, shadowing, etc.

To say that it's a downgrade is rather shallow.

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Artistically it's better (more or less) but actual texture quality seems to have gone down is what I'm referring to.

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Originally Posted by TaalAzura

Artistically it's better (more or less) but actual texture quality seems to have gone down is what I'm referring to.

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Honestly, if the quality is consistent (unlike the current engine), I don't mind it being lower. I'd rather have alright textures than really good textures up close, and really really bad textures in the distance.

I was disappointd and surprised that my PC couldn't run on High settings (espcially not in Uldah) I'm looking forward to playing 2.0 on high settings. ^^

ITT people who don't know about the game development process

When doing LIVE DEMOS you want a build that you're absolutely sure is not going to break. You want to run it on a machine using settings that you know is not going to cause stress or crash the game. In LIVE DEMONSTRATIONS, graphical lag is seen as much much worse than lower graphical quality.

TL;DR wait til you see official PRE-RECORDED footage to say "Oh my god /unsubscribe"

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Originally Posted by Zyph

ITT people who don't know about the game development process

When doing LIVE DEMOS you want a build that you're absolutely sure is not going to break. You want to run it on a machine using settings that you know is not going to cause stress or crash the game. In LIVE DEMONSTRATIONS, graphical lag is seen as much much worse than lower graphical quality.

TL;DR wait til you see official PRE-RECORDED footage to say "Oh my god /unsubscribe"

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Or bring a machine that can handle it.

its only lower quality on consoles, but the game looks better for me, like seen on 2.0 video

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Originally Posted by TaalAzura

Or bring a machine that can handle it.

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wow, reading comprehension: 0

I don't really care about graphic quality unless it drops to a level far lower than now and that doesn't seem to happen.
Also, like many others said already, it was for a live demonstration.
The game is supposed to run smooth on PS3 as well which can't just be enhanced the way you can upgrade your PC.
ALSO, and this is something Yoshi himself said many times during the presentation, it's a pre-alpha-build. Let's wait til next year when the game is released, set it on high settings and THEN judge if the quality of the graphics dropped to a level we can't bear..:rolleyes:

i'm a regular smuck that doesn't know much about the POWER OF GRAPHICS

but i have no idea what the hell everyone is talking about

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/img/...623/reb_17.jpg

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...le-d5bknc9.jpg


these graphics are fucking beautiful

i'm with the regular smuck on this one lol. not only are the graphics in this game amazing, but the aesthetic is pristine and this in turns makes the graphics look even better.

I guarantee you guys that the graphics are better. Think about it. The goal was to redesign the graphic engine to allow for better optimization than the Crystal Engine (which I'm sure looked like spaghetti code). They're not going to redo models for things that are carrying over from 1.0 to 2.0. They're not going to redo textures (see THE GRASS *oh noes*). That's too much unnecessary work for the art and modeling department who are busy doing new models and texture for, oh I dunno, all the new areas mobs and gear. Two of the major things that make the game aesthetically pleasing ARE NOT CHANGING.

So what is changing then? Shaders and lighting. See all the cool shadows? See how everything kinda just feels more deep? That's the immediate visual result of their changes. Internally I'm sure there's a ton of optimization. But the ONLY THING you're seeing that's different are the VASTLY improved shaders.

And you're fooling yourself in thinking that you won't be able to crank up the anti-aliasing, ambient occlusion, and/or draw distance to 11. See my earlier post as to why you're aren't seeing the best of the best from live demos and screenshots from Yoshi-P's laptop.

/rant

Character models and world textures are down graded.

World design is about 10xs better.

So worse graphics better design I would say.