FFXIV poor performance outlier on new Radeon 9070 XT cards!?

Don't know what FPS this would translate to, but I found someone online who claims to have run the Dawntrail Benchmark (4k Maximum settings) on the 9070 XT and Linux and got a score of 17076 "Extremely High".

If anyone here is impacted by the poor 9070XT FFXIV performance while on Windows, and could share the numbers they get in DT Benchmark 4k Maximum, and there indeed is a big gap, that might support s32ialx's suspicion that the issue lies in FFXIV's DX11, since Linux must always translate to Vulkan.

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Originally Posted by jotoho

Don't know what FPS this would translate to, but I found someone online who claims to have run the Dawntrail Benchmark (4k Maximum settings) on the 9070 XT and Linux and got a score of 17076 "Extremely High".

If anyone here is impacted by the poor 9070XT FFXIV performance while on Windows, and could share the numbers they get in DT Benchmark 4k Maximum, and there indeed is a big gap, that might support s32ialx's suspicion that the issue lies in FFXIV's DX11, since Linux must always translate to Vulkan.

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I edited my post with some extra info but when I get home I will run the benchmark after replacing the DX 11 with Vulkan like I did for the live service. just a small example of the FPS I get with vulkan area dependant:

https://i.imgur.com/9vxgYnw.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/rsfzOUA.png

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

Oh interesting, but I shouldn't need FSR on FFXIV considering how old the graphics engine is

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Well, one of the reasons I use DLSS in the game is because its anti aliasing quality is better than FFXIV's native implementation of TSCMAA + Jitter in my opinion at least.
There's better motion clarity under movement using DLSS 4, but if that never bothered you then there's no real reason to use DLSS or FSR if your GPU is powerful enough.

I just thought I'd mention it, in case you'd like to try it. :)

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Originally Posted by jotoho

Don't know what FPS this would translate to, but I found someone online who claims to have run the Dawntrail Benchmark (4k Maximum settings) on the 9070 XT and Linux and got a score of 17076 "Extremely High".

If anyone here is impacted by the poor 9070XT FFXIV performance while on Windows, and could share the numbers they get in DT Benchmark 4k Maximum, and there indeed is a big gap, that might support s32ialx's suspicion that the issue lies in FFXIV's DX11, since Linux must always translate to Vulkan.

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I hope you're ready for your jaw to drop at this, the 1% lows really bother me as they got down to 15FPS at some points, but it NEVER stuttered and those highs holy hell.

https://i.imgur.com/4qWKDGV.png
https://i.imgur.com/NKZMs63.png
https://i.imgur.com/xS5Gjs0.png
https://i.imgur.com/KUPzrSq.png
https://i.imgur.com/7VWm3wv.png

Now for the kicker, it would not actually let me run it in anything other than windowed mode, so there I dunno if anyone knows how to fix that i could get better results.

(Yes I know it wasn't 4k but I don't have a 4k display but even at 1440p (2K) with 22k score that seems reasonable that 17k on 4k max)

That's some seriously impressive FPS numbers. While maybe not entirely conclusive as proof, it seems like DLL swapping is a very promising workaround for those of you stuck on Windows, while we wait for SE to hopefully get their tech fixed or replaced. Fingers crossed on them switching graphics API in favor of Vulkan.

The bad 1% lows are curious since I've seen people praise 1% performance on this card, but maybe that was caused by DXVK needing to generate Vulkan shaders on-the-fly or something.

It is a relief to know that, as a Linux player, the card would probably have worked as expected in my system. Personally, my problem lies in being able to buy an MSRP 9070XT in Europe at all. 😅
Accidentally dropped my glasses seconds before the sale embargo ended, and by the time extremely-nearsighted-me managed to find and get them out of the place they ended up, minutes had passed and the initial card supply online had already been bought up.

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That's some seriously impressive FPS numbers. While maybe not entirely conclusive as proof, it seems like DLL swapping is a very promising workaround for those of you stuck on Windows, while we wait for SE to hopefully get their tech fixed or replaced. Fingers crossed on them switching graphics API in favor of Vulkan.

The bad 1% lows are curious since I've seen people praise 1% performance on this card, but maybe that was caused by DXVK needing to generate Vulkan shaders on-the-fly or something.

It is a relief to know that, as a Linux player, the card would probably have worked as expected in my system. Personally, my problem lies in being able to buy an MSRP 9070XT in Europe at all. 😅
Accidentally dropped my glasses seconds before the sale embargo ended, and by the time extremely-nearsighted-me managed to find and get them out of the place they ended up, minutes had passed and the initial card supply online had already been bought up.

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oh no D: hopefully more MSRP cards come out but from what I am hearing that might not happen, the only way I was able to get one at MSRP was by standing at the door literally first in line waiting over an hr before they opened cause the line filled up behind me 15 people or so!

According to a video I listened to today AMD actually has the orders in place with TSMC to deliver hundreds of GPUs to vendors.

Am totally lost right now...
Am using a 3060ti with a 5700X3D and wanted to upgrade GPU to a RX9070, but after seeing GamerNexus benchmarks... I have no idea if it's still a good choice or if should I get a 4070 :confused:... Since, tbh, I don't trust SE doing his job here on updating to vulkan because "spaghetti code please understand"...

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Am totally lost right now...
Am using a 3060ti with a 5700X3D and wanted to upgrade GPU to a RX9070, but after seeing GamerNexus benchmarks... I have no idea if it's still a good choice or if should I get a 4070 :confused:... Since, tbh, I don't trust SE doing his job here on updating to vulkan because "spaghetti code please understand"...

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Since we don't know the exact cause, it's possible SE could fix the issue with their existing DX11 Graphics API. I haven't heard of other DX11 games having this problem (correct me if I'm wrong), so it's possibly something in the game's control.

The only thing we can tell for certain, is that translating the calls to Vulkan via DLL replacement (or maybe playing on Linux?) seems to help.
It's plausible that FF14 might be using the graphics API wrong or unconventionally, and DXVK happens to catch & fix that, either as a side effect of translation or because other games caused issues by doing something similar in the past.

The ball is solidly in Square Enix's court now, and unfortunately as far as I know they neither acknowledged the issue nor promised a fix yet.
Worst case, pending an answer from SE, you may have to assume it will never be fixed, and decide if you're willing to take the gamble and potentially play with lower FPS or the DLL replacement workaround.

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Am totally lost right now...
Am using a 3060ti with a 5700X3D and wanted to upgrade GPU to a RX9070, but after seeing GamerNexus benchmarks... I have no idea if it's still a good choice or if should I get a 4070 :confused:... Since, tbh, I don't trust SE doing his job here on updating to vulkan because "spaghetti code please understand"...

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You could also not upgrade at all this year, unless you actually need more powerful hardware or your existing 3060ti is failing, certainly for FF14 I don't think upgrading from a 3060ti is warranted. I think the 9070 is generally still the second best card (after the XT variant) this year unless you really need heavy RT (and don't play old physX games). That said, I'm more than a little biased against Nvidia's attitudes and pricing for no appreciable performance gains.

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Originally Posted by Red-thunder

In every other game 9070 XT is making 5070 Ti look like an absolute pathetic joke (in terms of cost per frame). It's just FF14 that's different. And potentially it could be fixed with drivers. Most people are still far, far better off buying 9070 XT rather than 5070Ti/5080, especially since the former is actually in stock at MSRP.

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There's something wrong with the 9070XT in Valorant, Counter Strike and Elden Ring, maybe add Silent Hill 2 to the list too and who knows how many more that reviewers don't test.

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Originally Posted by s32ialx

Yes I know it wasn't 4k but I don't have a 4k display but even at 1440p (2K) with 22k score that seems reasonable that 17k on 4k max)

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That's like 3080Ti performance.
https://i.imgur.com/bPcPkWk.png

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Originally Posted by NzomiKujo

There's something wrong with the 9070XT in Valorant, Counter Strike and Elden Ring, maybe add Silent Hill 2 to the list too and who knows how many more that reviewers don't test.


That's like 3080Ti performance.
https://i.imgur.com/bPcPkWk.png

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what if this is something in the gameworks engine that nvidia added (since we all know they love their closed source stuff and lack of sharing) that is preventing new AMD cards from working.

Crazy conspiracies aside I really do hope this gets fixed my 3070ti was okay but it was clearly failing hard is some instances and it was a growing pain on me the lack of vram on a Ti series vs the lower regular 3070 really showed how bad of a card it was especially on games like Star Citizen.

So I should wait ? However, as state above Nvidia still using some kind of black magic in some games, FFXIV seems to be in this list. Not really surprised, iirc in the early versions Nvidia logo was even displayed somewhere...

Anyway, 3060ti is a good card, but can't have a steady 120fps, so am still thinking about a RTX4070... Unless someone tells me that even with a 4070, I won't get thos 120 FPS... am mainly playing FFXIV and Fornite, in case anyone is wondering. <3

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Unless someone tells me that even with a 4070, I won't get thos 120 FPS... am mainly playing FFXIV and Fornite, in case anyone is wondering. <3

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Have a look at the 5070 Ti review from gamers nexus. They specifically benchmark FFXIV, and have a bunch of cards listed in their benchmark data, including the 4070.

https://gamersnexus.net/gpus/do-not-...-ti-benchmarks

Also, if you don't mind some artifacting, you could give Lossless Scaling's frame generation a go.
I'm using it with my aging 2080 Ti to double my framerate from 75 to 150 and I think it works pretty well.

Lossless Scaling is available on Steam for about €7, I think.

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So I should wait ? However, as state above Nvidia still using some kind of black magic in some games, FFXIV seems to be in this list. Not really surprised, iirc in the early versions Nvidia logo was even displayed somewhere...

Anyway, 3060ti is a good card, but can't have a steady 120fps, so am still thinking about a RTX4070... Unless someone tells me that even with a 4070, I won't get thos 120 FPS... am mainly playing FFXIV and Fornite, in case anyone is wondering. <3

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It says Nvidia even on the benchmark tool for dawntrail
https://i.imgur.com/lFXdaFB.png

also if you want positive 100 FPS and you are a moon magic user well that might not be possible without a 90 series nvidia card, tho it should be possible with the 9070 xt's if AMD or SE fix the issue, i need 165 FPS to match my monitors 1440 refresh rate.

Finally built my 1st PC, ran the benchmark and did some raiding over the last 2 days.

Satisfied with this especially since I got the 9070 XT at MSRP. My 2K monitor has a 165 hz max so I'm not sure I'm going to bother with further troubleshooting the drivers/directx/vulkan at this point.

https://i.imgur.com/jCQ9NNh.png

Truncated report from the benchmark:

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FINAL FANTASY XIV: Dawntrail Benchmark Ver. 1.1
Tested on: 3/9/2025 21:43:11
Score: 23109
Average Frame Rate: 158.7704
Minimum Frame Rate: 98
Performance: Extremely High

System
Microsoft Windows 11 Pro (ver.10.0.26100 Build 26100)
AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 8-Core Processor
31849.426MB
AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT

Screen Size: 2560x1440
Screen Mode: Borderless Windowed
DirectX Version: 11
Graphics Presets: Maximum

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Never heard of an official benchmark tool, so i had to try out:

https://i.imgur.com/Ul15NMy.jpeg

I usually play in 4k which cuts the score roughly in half:

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Score: 15717 Extremely High
3840x2160 Custom DirectX11 FSR Borderless Windowed
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16-Core Processor
AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX

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Ugh! This generation of GPU releases is so stressful and annoying, extra so if you're in Europe like me. From the low/non-existent stock to fake MSRP and BS marketing, it's such a sh*t show >.< At least it seems this conversation was productive in here :)

That said, I am now seriously considering grabbing a one of the 7900 XTXs on their way out seeing as 9070 XT prices in the UK are well over MSRP, some retailing at ludicrous prices as high as £900 GBP, i.e. $1165 USD ... what. the. F. ... cheapest 9070XT I could find in stock in UK is at £670 GBP, i.e. $867 USD. More than $250 OVER the MSRP ... what's even the point anymore >.<

I figure, at least if I'm gonna get shafted, I might as well go all the way and get the better performing 7900 XTX? I don't really care about Ray Tracing and I despise scaling and fake frames so all this new stuff is w.e. to me anyways. Decisions, decisions ...

But anyhows, hope this convo continues to stay productive and fingers crossed maybe SQeenix does fix the game on 9700XT >.<

P.S. Does anyone here have personal experience with the 7900XTX in FF? If so, what's it like?

From a redditor on AMD subreddit, without using Vulkan. Am so lost :(

https://i.ibb.co/6cK1X3hV/image.png

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From a redditor on AMD subreddit, without using Vulkan. Am so lost :(

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Myea, it seems the 9070 XT is a bit all over the place on FF specifically >.< I still hope it's somehow fixed but between this and what turned out to be a fake MSRP (at least in Europe), I've gone ahead and jumped ship and ordered a 7900 XTX in the end at a mere £130 more than the "$600" 9070 XT xD

I mean, it's an outlier, but it's not really poor performance. Almost any modern card can run this game at 1440p60, and the 9070XT can hit 4k60, the next jump up from that is 4k120 and your options are pretty limited for that.

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I mean, it's an outlier, but it's not really poor performance. Almost any modern card can run this game at 1440p60, and the 9070XT can hit 4k60, the next jump up from that is 4k120 and your options are pretty limited for that.

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Yea I get what you're saying, but nobody is saying it's poor performance in it by itself, but rather, relative to how the same card performs with practically any other game. I think it's fair for people to expect consistent performance gains across all games when they buy a new card, especially when that card costs so much (in practice, which it does, most models being closer to $1000 than $500 in Europe).

It's also poor performance relative to other cards.

E.g.: In FFXIV the card gives about a 38% performance increase compared to my 2080 Ti, whereas a 5070 Ti is closer to an 86% performance increase.
If FFXIV is your main game, or one you play a lot, this GPU at this point in time is not a very good upgrade.

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It's also poor performance relative to other cards.

E.g.: In FFXIV the card gives about a 38% performance increase compared to my 2080 Ti, whereas a 5070 Ti is closer to an 86% performance increase.
If FFXIV is your main game, or one you play a lot, this GPU at this point in time is not a very good upgrade.

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This was my exact thinking in opting for the 7900 XTX right now. That said, as others have pointed out in this thread, there IS a work around that should provide great performance if you've already bought a 9070 XT, and although no longer relevant to me, for the sake of our beloved FF, I do still hope this gets fixed soon so that extra work in fixing it isn't required ^_^

I'm not sure how this stacks up to what it "should be", but here's where mine landed at 1440p Maximum:

https://i.imgur.com/6846U3O.png
Voltage Offset: -120mV
VRAM Max Frequency: 2700
Power Limit: 363W

After that I was able to get FSR4 working in-game through a somewhat painfully convoluted mix of methods. While not really necessary to get smooth framerates, it at least does away with TSCMAA.

I really wish SE would just show FPS average and lows in the benchmark instead of this score. That score really tells me absolutely nothing.

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I really wish SE would just show FPS average and lows in the benchmark instead of this score. That score really tells me absolutely nothing.

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Hit Save Score and it'll open a text file that includes that:

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FINAL FANTASY XIV: Dawntrail Benchmark Ver. 1.1
Tested on: 3/13/2025 16:42:10
Score: 25395
Average Frame Rate: 173.4715
Minimum Frame Rate: 105
Performance: Extremely High
-Easily capable of running the game on the highest settings.
Loading Times by Scene
Scene #1 0.229 sec
Scene #2 1.881 sec
Scene #3 2.132 sec
Scene #4 1.921 sec
Scene #5 1.116 sec
Total Loading Time 7.279 sec

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Oh hey, that's interesting. I didn't know that, thanks.

Your average framerate seems to be much higher than what was reported by Gamers Nexus during their test, but the lows seem similar.
I really wonder what was going on during their testing.

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Hit Save Score and it'll open a text file that includes that:

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Interesting, this DOES actually fit in where the 9070 XT is expected to fit in performance wise if you place that 173 Average FPS on GN's 1440p graph, which is good! The question then remains, why they got low results and I believe others in this thread did as well, no? Seems inconsistent.

EDIT: I stand corrected, seems others in this thread with a 9070 XT DID get results close to what is expected more or less, though there still appears to be some inconsistency, though it could be CPU related.

Hi, I recently upgraded from a NVIDIA 3070 to a AMD 9070XT and I definitely am noticing a decrease in performance of FFXIV in certain areas like Limsa Lominsa and large scale S ranked / A Ranks have taken a nose dive in FPS for me. Granted I am playing on a fairly dated 10700kf CPU but should it really be this bad? It was running fine with my older 3070 and same CPU. Also I have the same issue where AMD FSR is greyed out for me. So I have no idea if FSR Is actually working or not. Is this going to be a case of simply waiting for a driver update? Will installing Vulkan help this issue?

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Hi, I recently upgraded from a NVIDIA 3070 to a AMD 9070XT and I definitely am noticing a decrease in performance of FFXIV in certain areas like Limsa Lominsa and large scale S ranked / A Ranks have taken a nose dive in FPS for me. Granted I am playing on a fairly dated 10700kf CPU but should it really be this bad? It was running fine with my older 3070 and same CPU. Also I have the same issue where AMD FSR is greyed out for me. So I have no idea if FSR Is actually working or not. Is this going to be a case of simply waiting for a driver update? Will installing Vulkan help this issue?

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FSR is grayed out because you have an AMD card and therefore can't select DLSS (Unless you use a mod that replaces DLSS with FSR 3.1).
In its default state FSR won't kick in unless you set the render scale lower than 100. Basically, 100 means native rendering, anything less means FSR 1 is active at whatever percentage you set the render scale to.

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Hi, I recently upgraded from a NVIDIA 3070 to a AMD 9070XT and I definitely am noticing a decrease in performance of FFXIV in certain areas like Limsa Lominsa and large scale S ranked / A Ranks have taken a nose dive in FPS for me. Granted I am playing on a fairly dated 10700kf CPU but should it really be this bad? It was running fine with my older 3070 and same CPU. Also I have the same issue where AMD FSR is greyed out for me. So I have no idea if FSR Is actually working or not. Is this going to be a case of simply waiting for a driver update? Will installing Vulkan help this issue?

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Can't speak on the CPU dragging it down as I am not familiar with its performance bracket, but assuming it's old-ish 5 - 10 years+ then it could potentially bottleneck you too but given the context of the rest of this thread and your own experience with the 3070, I'm inclined to say, it's probably not the CPU. Performance on the 9070 XT in FF specifically, appears to be mixed. The hope is that it is something that can be patched out either by drivers or game but in the meantime, if you dig through the rest of this thread, you will find information on running it with Vulkan, this appears to have helped a lot in some other peoples cases, so something you may want to consider until a proper patch is put out. :)

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Hi, I recently upgraded from a NVIDIA 3070 to a AMD 9070XT and I definitely am noticing a decrease in performance of FFXIV in certain areas like Limsa Lominsa and large scale S ranked / A Ranks have taken a nose dive in FPS for me. Granted I am playing on a fairly dated 10700kf CPU but should it really be this bad? It was running fine with my older 3070 and same CPU. Also I have the same issue where AMD FSR is greyed out for me. So I have no idea if FSR Is actually working or not. Is this going to be a case of simply waiting for a driver update? Will installing Vulkan help this issue?

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If you're comfortable tinkering, you can make AMD's new FSR4 work (which provides better upscaling than you would've been getting with the included DLSS before) with the help of OptiScaler (google it). Essentially, OptiScaler will tell the game that it can do DLSS and then take the DLSS signals from the game and run them through FSR4 for you.

The issues with newer GPUs aren't exclusive to XIV. If you're up to date with tech news you know both AMD and specially Nvidia are giving no shits for how much the new cards break the older games.

Yes, but in FFXIV case it's clear Nvidia wins vs AMD... Which sadness me as FFxiv is my main and almost only game tbh...

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The issues with newer GPUs aren't exclusive to XIV. If you're up to date with tech news you know both AMD and specially Nvidia are giving no shits for how much the new cards break the older games.

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Yes, but in FFXIV case it's clear Nvidia wins vs AMD... Which sadness me as FFxiv is my main and almost only game tbh...

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Yea, in this instance, it's specifically only FFXIV that seems to have mixed performance on the 9070 XT. nVidias cards meanwhile cost a liver and a half to buy, IF you find one and catch on fire or come with missing ROPs. This generation of GPUs is a total failure. But here's hoping FF x 9070 XT still get fixed. Maybe with 7.2

The problem is, the F14 game engine runs still with DirectX 11. This API is 16 years old, it came out with Windows 7. I can imagine, that AMD and Nvidia do not put so much effort to optimize their drivers for it anymore. SQEX should have upgrade the F14 game engine to new APIs long time ago.



Cheers

DXVK fixed the stuttering I was having on my 9070xt playing at 4k in windowed mode. There's some odd rendering here and there, but it has so far fixed the bulk of my framerate issues.

Fortunately, I'm getting FPS in the 80's on my RTX 2070 at 1920 x 1200 60 Hz. so I'll save my money. The NVIDIA cards with the Melt-O-Matic 12V connectors are a no buy for me, so If I do end up upgrading to something on the high end, it will have to be AMD.

Almost a month now and still not a peep from either side here on a fix... this is sad, going into venues and as people have said even limsa sometimes it just dies and drops down to sub 10 FPS even with DXVK or DX11 I am flabbergasted that they are keeping their mouths shut, hopefully this 7.2 patch on Tuesday addresses it but I do not have high hopes