Petition to fix Miqo'te Face 2 Eyebrows

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Originally Posted by Rin_Sato

No fix before xmas in sight...

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Sadly nope :(

Come on, how hard is it to fix a couple of UV maps?

The eyebrows.... they haunt my nightmares.

https://i.imgur.com/nzw8WXZ.png

Bumping for support.

Agree to this, I want my old eyebrows back! :)

I did a search for this on YouTube just now to see if anyone had made a video about "Miqo'te female keeper of the moon face 2 eyebrow" and somebody has made a video about how to fix it...

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Originally Posted by Rin_Sato

I did a search for this on YouTube just now to see if anyone had made a video about "Miqo'te female keeper of the moon face 2 eyebrow" and somebody has made a video about how to fix it...

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I think I found the one you mean, they took only a couple minutes to fix the sharp upturned angle, yeah... Though they didn't address the "pinched thin" part on the inner corner of the brows. But I doubt that would take too terribly long to fix either, especially if they just started out with the April benchmark version that didn't have that problem.

Bump!


Here's a pic of Yehn Amariyo, an NPC that you can recruit to your Grand Company squadron, who also uses this face type. She had one of the more dramatic eyebrow options before, but now they're just harsh lines... :) No shape, no curve, no variation in thickness from one part of the brow to the other. Not anymore.

https://i.imgur.com/BuIt7An.png

I talked about the same issue (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/502629)

It's unbelieveably frustrating. It CANNOT be that difficult to fix.

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Originally Posted by Metool42

I talked about the same issue (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/502629)

It's unbelieveably frustrating. It CANNOT be that difficult to fix.

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Agreed, and it really is a shame when the original shape and color were so beautiful. It really used to bring the face together in a lovely way, with real variation in the different options.

It should be stated that there was a specific line in the official Lodestone response to character graphics feedback.

"Most feedback received on eyelashes and eyebrows falls into the previous category, but we've found that many players are satisfied with the current resolution and shapes. Therefore, we will take caution when proceeding with adjustments."

In the case of Female Miqo'te Face 2, many of us strongly disagree with this assumption. Patiently waiting for something that is clearly broken to be fixed in the 7.1 update is very different from "satisfied." Since the 7.1 update had passed with no changes to our features, this petition felt needed.


So please, Square Enix, make our eyebrows closer to how they originally looked. The shape, the length, the width, the angle, the color and softening gradient at parts where hairs should be thinner. The effort would be very much worth it, and I hope we can look at a future update to this and tell you thanks for fixing this issue.

The eyebrows being too dark for the selected hair color is SO frustrating. I use face 4 and it makes my eyebrows basically invisible with white hair :(

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Originally Posted by smitten_miquitten

The eyebrows being too dark for the selected hair color is SO frustrating. I use face 4 and it makes my eyebrows basically invisible with white hair :(

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Yeah, that's another really obvious issue that I'm just surprised hasn't been fixed yet.

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Originally Posted by Metool42

I talked about the same issue (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/502629)

It's unbelieveably frustrating. It CANNOT be that difficult to fix.

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It's not difficult at all...

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Originally Posted by Rin_Sato

I did a search for this on YouTube just now to see if anyone had made a video about "Miqo'te female keeper of the moon face 2 eyebrow" and somebody has made a video about how to fix it...

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Have you thought about shaving your character's eyebrows off? Seems to have worked out well for male Highlanders. :0

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Originally Posted by TakoyakiLala

Have you thought about shaving your character's eyebrows off? Seems to have worked out well for male Highlanders. :0

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Could be an improvement if it was an option, LOL

Faces have not been adressed and I'm starting to be very annoyed as they seem to progress to worse... New eyebrows, and lips, more than anything, are terribly bad :( I'm stopping my suscription again for a while so I'll use my days left on the forums to keep complaining xD
PLEASE SE fix faces as you promised!

Every patch i hope to read about it and every patch i'm disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Metool42

Every patch i hope to read about it and every patch i'm disappointed.

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Yeah, same...

With this eyebrow issue in particular, there are two separate problems going on. The first is that, like many others who have shared feedback, the updated design of these eyebrows isn't as close to the original shape and appearance as they should be. In the first DT benchmark, the angle was too sharply upturned, and the length was shorter.

But the second is a less common issue, in that since the second DT benchmark, there's been a genuine bug/mapping error that caused the whole eyebrow to get crushed thin.

Even if we had to wait for 7.2 or later for a whole redesign, I see NO reason why the mapping error shouldn't be fixed in minor patches, like any other bug.

Reminiscing on how nice and natural my character's eyebrows used to look, versus what we're stuck with right now... :(

I'm not expecting this to be mentioned in the next live letter like they did for the Moon Miqo'te fangs (even though that was a wonderful example of listening and responding visually to feedback), but I still greatly hope this gets fixed in 7.2.

https://i.imgur.com/Wn7V11e.png

I'm still praying for the male miqo eyebrows (and my eyeshine... give me back my regular old fixed eyeshine so i have eyeshine at all TT.TT)

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Originally Posted by Tahli

https://i.imgur.com/Wn7V11e.png

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Someone on the dev team must really like Miqo'te with resting bitch face. xD

I can FINALLY see what people here are complaining about on the forums with these two sets of images and I genuinely hope you guys get the necessary aesthetic changes you all have been desiring. :)

#MakeMiqo'teHappyFacedAgain

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Originally Posted by glitteringcosmos

I'm still praying for the male miqo eyebrows (and my eyeshine... give me back my regular old fixed eyeshine so i have eyeshine at all TT.TT)

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Yep yep, I hope they can adjust that too. :(

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Originally Posted by TakoyakiLala

Someone on the dev team must really like Miqo'te with resting bitch face. xD

I can FINALLY see what people here are complaining about on the forums with these two sets of images and I genuinely hope you guys get the necessary aesthetic changes you all have been desiring. :)

#MakeMiqo'teHappyFacedAgain

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Thank you! :o I'll be a very happy catgirl if they do fix it!

https://i.imgur.com/r6K9FnC.png

God i miss that friendly face.

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Originally Posted by TakoyakiLala

I can FINALLY see what people here are complaining about on the forums with these two sets of images and I genuinely hope you guys get the necessary aesthetic changes you all have been desiring. :)

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Here's a better comparison cobbled together from stills of the video I mentioned...

(Dawntrail vs Endwalker slider)
https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/juxta...7-d93975fe8866

We're still a little ways off from 7.2, but continue to urge for a fix to this!


Random example for today is Npah Tayuun, an NPC found in Mor Dhona. Her face is stuck in a perpetually angry >:| expression. Not even her hat can hide the eyebrows that look like someone took a marker and drew them on as a mean prank.

https://i.imgur.com/Vwtnk8c.png

Please fix this already square I beg of you it's not like this is even complicated >:|

https://i.imgur.com/3auofeE.png

One can only hope they did something here...

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Originally Posted by Metool42

https://i.imgur.com/3auofeE.png

One can only hope they did something here...

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Moment of truth, in a few more days!

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Originally Posted by Valence

Please fix this already square I beg of you it's not like this is even complicated >:|

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I'm running an alt through ShB and have concluded SE is just really bad at eyebrows. Emet-Selch, for example, looks quite ridiculous most of the time, and not because of the shoulder pads.

Meanwhile many Miqo'tes look like someone just stepped on their tail.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

I'm running an alt through ShB and have concluded SE is just really bad at eyebrows. Emet-Selch, for example, looks quite ridiculous most of the time, and not because of the shoulder pads.

Meanwhile many Miqo'tes look like someone just stepped on their tail.

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Some eyebrows are definitely more well done than others. I think it's a bit strange that even now, some faces' eyebrows seem more detailed than others? Maybe that's just because (other than this face) they tried to keep the same shape as before, even if that shape was simple or choppy.

As weird as it may sound, I think the original eyebrows of this face were actually one of the main deciding factors for me choosing it. I wanted a Miqo'te, but didn't like the choppy look of Faces 1 and 3, and Face 4 was a little too wild and bushy. But this one looked natural, and was just right.

7.2 has arrived, and our eyebrows still haven't even been touched.

https://i.imgur.com/duFaF3y.png https://i.imgur.com/Qvwn3vk.png
(7.1 on left, 7.2 on right)


To say this is disappointing would be an understatement. This is embarrassing, both for us to have to look like this, and for you, SE. A simple mapping error, that was allowed to make it into 7.0, and that we've been stuck with for 9 months and counting.

There is no argument to defend the decision to keep these eyebrows like this. You have had plenty of time, 2 patches that give Fantasias to accommodate for supposed changes in appearance, the current shape of these were based on a mistake, it looks terrible, and I have yet to actually hear of a single person that prefers these specific eyebrows looking like this instead of how they used to be shaped.
There is no individuality in the separate eyebrow options of this face like there used to be, they are just all sharp and harsh and angry. If I wanted an angry or "determined" look, I'd have chosen one of the more dramatic eyebrow options or just used an emote at appropriate times, as is common sense.


It would've been really nice to have a more positive update, with screenshots of actual changes that we've been asking for all this time. Unfortunately, we have to keep pushing for this to be fixed. Please share this petition with anyone who may add their support, or help draw attention to how awful of a downgrade this feature is from how it used to look.

I'm genuinely beyond annoyed. I do not wish to keep playing further, because they took away my character and refuse to simply fix an issue. I cannot fathom why. It IS a bug. It IS NOT INTENDED.
And yet they refuse to fix it even though they clearly noticed it. Why? There is not a single reason not to adress this bug.

Do we have to poorly google translate this post to kanji to get this at all noticed by devs?

I thought it would be fixed... Why is this still a problem?

I've tried to get used to the brows as much as possible but looking back on old photos of my character makes me so sad. Why did they have to designate face 2 as the "angry-looking" face? We deserve to have cute and delicate curved brow shapes too...

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Originally Posted by eenlx

I've tried to get used to the brows as much as possible but looking back on old photos of my character makes me so sad. Why did they have to designate face 2 as the "angry-looking" face? We deserve to have cute and delicate curved brow shapes too...

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They didn't designate it the angry face. They messed when updating the models and never fixed it. Face 2 was never meant to be permanently angry with plucked eyebrows!

And for whatever reason, they labeled all the bug reports made on it as "Working as Intended". I still feel as though they didn't actually READ through them to see that there is a difference between the graphics update changes, and the bugged texture maps that were a mistake from the beginning. It's frustrating, and we deserve to be acknowledged on our requests for both issues to be addressed.

So, side tangent, but isn't Yanaa (Black Cat) a custom/unique NPC model of face 2? I want those eyebrows... Ours are so depressing in comparison...

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Originally Posted by Valence

So, side tangent, but isn't Yanaa (Black Cat) a custom/unique NPC model of face 2? I want those eyebrows... Ours are so depressing in comparison...

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Hard to tell since she's so modified... but that could be the case. With her own custom features added, of course, that had significantly more care put into them than our own.

Incredibly tired of Square not caring.