Let me Veto the Nier Raid

It's my wish that I get the chance to re-lock Nier raids. The franchise itself and the setting are not to my taste as I'm playing Final Fantasy, not Nier. Moreover, the boss design and encounters are boring, to the point where I pray to get 15 boring minutes of Syrcus tower and not one boring hour of Nier raids.

Whoever thought the collab in the form of ally raid is a great idea must re-consider his decision again. I'm playing Final Fantasy XIV, and if I want to play Nier then the game is out there for me to play (Thankfully it's even region-restricted to me, which is even better)

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Originally Posted by weebtext

I think all the alliance raids (except Nier) should have their HP increased. You WILL see all the mechanics and you WILL LEARN YOUR PRIMES!

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I'd adjust the item level sync. There's no reason we should be at 130 item level in Labyrinth of the Ancients when its minimum item level is 50. Bad enough that the gear from the level 50 job quests already makes the drops there obsolete.

i love them but I hate helping be a tool to flood the rest of FF with more sets of 2Bs.

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Originally Posted by St0rmy

Dun Scaith is still the peak of A-raids. Cool bosses, cool set design, neat mechanics, and it respects your time.

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Dun Scaith and Orbonne Monastery are probably the best Alliance Raids in the game and it's a treat when they show up in the Roulette. Though sadly Orbonne's been nerfed with just overall powercreep and a 10% Echo buff.

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Originally Posted by genuine_stranger

The only issue with them is that the bosses have too much HP. Personally, I find them fun, but I agree that they take too long to finish.

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This yeah... ive falles asleep on all of them before... its fun but it just drags too much - especially on fights where literally nothing is happening.

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Originally Posted by genuine_stranger

The only issue with them is that the bosses have too much HP. Personally, I find them fun, but I agree that they take too long to finish.

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If anything the bosses in the other alliance raids die far too easily and you skip all the cool mechanics. I mean it is a raid, but a lot of them feel like 24 people beating a training dummy. It feels awful and horribly boring.

Nier 1 and 2 is fun for me but 3 is a meh, every mechanics in there made for a lol on the first time, but after that it just none existance and boring

If you dont want to do them, abandon the pt. :)

You sound like the kind who can't see what arm Engels is lifting.

Veto whatever you want. I'll continue to enjoy the Nier raids. Plus it's rare to see them in alliance roulette, and even if the bosses have a bit too much hp, the music makes up for it. I always liked the three of them and I always will. Yes, I am weird.

Their hp values are fine, people just suck at their jobs and die too much, and dps is abysmally low as a result.

Keep in mind your average alliance roul party member is probably someone like this guy:

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

Ive only done them once, and i was sooo bored out of my fricken mind, every fight id just tab away and afk after the boss was only down to 75% hp.
but now that u say this, i think that must have been it. it did feel like it was taking forever, but like i said, I was afk, watching youtube videos instead, so my sense of time was off.

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Fun story btw, they were in uldah shout the other week complaining about this exact topic. When nobody agreed with them, they got insanely pa about it and started lauding their forced ct queues over everyone there, telling people to cope if they wanted higher lv content. Then they got dogpiled and eventually stopped responding. Was funny as fuck.

But yeah get a competent group and the bosses melt.

Ivalice and Nier raids are the most fun ones, I will take them any day.
I think it’s pretty sad when rlts usage is all about “give me the reward asap” and not the actual game you are playing. If you don’t enjoy the content rlt can offer you - just use other means to get what you need, I would say.

It's one of the best raids only the high ilvl makes it boring. But that can be said about everything in this game.

Give me a veto for ARR alliance raids and EW ones then, those usually take me longer to complete than when I get NieR raids.

You would think that at level 80/90 people would know how to press their buttons but no, they don't. Carries over to 100.

If you actually synched down to the minimum iLL on Crystal Tower and Mhach Raids, you would feel them rather brutal, I think they should add that and put those into Old School Alliance Roulette and remove them from the current ones.

Please please please just leave the raid and eat the lockout if you don't want it, that makes space for the rest of us who actually want to play the game.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

I wouldn’t increase HP (damage sponges are no fun) but I’d make mechanics more punishing. Don’t know your prime numbers? That’s worth an insta death.

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The problem with only making the mechs more punishing is that it doesn't solve the root issue, even if you make screwing up primes insta-death it won't matter because MathMan can't stay alive long enough for the punishment to go off. I would vastly prefer a damage sponge that actually gets to use all its abilities than a striking dummy that goes down before getting to the fun part.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I'd adjust the item level sync. There's no reason we should be at 130 item level in Labyrinth of the Ancients when its minimum item level is 50. Bad enough that the gear from the level 50 job quests already makes the drops there obsolete.

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Honestly, this would be far better than just upping health. I'd suggest putting the ilvl sync at whatever ilvl the gear drops are +10/20. Of course SE will never do anything like this, but it's fun to think about.

Only if I get to veto the entirety of ARR and EW alliance raids

Except you World of Darkness, you're cool.

I like em', especially the one with the weird scream that always solicits some sort of comment.

I support having the choice to not get them. Sorry I don't play FFXIV to play a crossover with a game I have zero interest in. Should've been a trial or something like monster hunter instead of robbing the first of an actual ally raid set. Even if some of the mechanicss are fun in those raids, they are absolute damage sponges and repeating the mechanics over and over gets old very fast and the runs take forever. Ivalice was my favourite raid set and that's a cross over too. But at least they made an effort to tie in with the games lore for that one.

It is a bad raid, just feels far too spongy and long.

I don't mind mechanics, but it's just long, and slow, and the hardest mechanic is not dying of boredom or falling asleep before the end of a boss. Probably wouldn't be as bad if it weren't for some of the downtime bosses, e.g., final boss of Copied Factory, or if the mechanics weren't so spread apart.

Much prefer HW and SB alliance raid series. But they need to look at Nier, ARR, and EW series. As much as I have been farming Aglaia, skipping the Balance mechanic shouldn't be possible.

Then nier raid bosses have high HP because it's a crossover with nier automata. It incorporates bullet hell mechanics and high HP bosses like the nier games

idk, maybe I'm weird, but I dont like long encounters.. if it goes more than 25 minutes I'm thinking "okay, can I leave now?"

I just want to be able to block certain raids and duties in the roulette. I think that would solve some problems. Sincerely, a typical Ancient Labyrinth and Sycrus tower enjoyer.

People are like “the nier raids are so long they just repeat mechanics over and over again” but 99% of groups will kill each boss right before they loop, so you may see similar mechanics but they are always on different patterns, your DPS has to be absolute hot garbage to even see the nier bosses loop.

I think people just don’t like a typical alliance raid because myths and CT are ilvl scaled to 17 minutes long

I wish I could get the Heavensward and Stormblood 24 mans more often! (I have been seeing at least Mhach more lately, so thanks).

But yeah I think they made Nier too annoying and then went and made EW's too easy. Hope the 11 raids and challenging but not overly long.

I'm all in favour of vetoing Nier raids.

Not because of any mechanical concerns, but because every time they pop I'm reminded of the atrociously bad story that came attached with them which I've desperately tried to block from my memory.

All my complains about the alliance raids would be fixed if they would stop deleting our skills while we're level synced. Some jobs straight up cease to be beneath Level 70 (and viper is boring as sin at 80)

Did the CT changes actually changed something? Raid distribution seems about the same to me.

Nier raids are fine. Stop obsessing about time to complete and just play.

Nier raids are fun and they die a lot faster now with the new jobs. So I mean, if they're taking a while that's well, some people in your group are really dropping the ball.

The real thing that should happen is the CT raids should be moved to main scenario roulette. It'd give more variety to that roulette and you'd get actual fun raids more often in alliance raids. With that said, I actually do get CT a lot less now with the changes. I've seen a lot of Weeping City/Dun Scaith/Rabanastre and we take those.

Syrcus Tower just isn't the same without the glory that was Amon (Savage) for dawntrail.

I need to stress the important of pointing out not all Nier raid is equal.

The first one I have no issue with, at worse they're about as long as the SB's raid.

The third one is completely on a different level in term of how long it is.

They rock if anything sucks it's the constant CT raids every hour

If developers allow vetos for things we don't like, queue times will increase and then people will complain about that, while STILL complaining about alliance raids taking too long. But instead of Nier Raids it will be another one, because there will always be a raid that takes the longest that players can complain about.

Just give everyone the ability to select a few things they don't want to do... 2-3 Alliance Raids, 1-2 Normal raids and trials...

And if some become overwhelmingly blocked due to this, maybe the issue isn't the players...

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Originally Posted by Bananarama

All my complains about the alliance raids would be fixed if they would stop deleting our skills while we're level synced. Some jobs straight up cease to be beneath Level 70 (and viper is boring as sin at 80)

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This applies for 95% of battle content. The devs really should rework the syncing system so that we can use our full kit even at lower levels. I'm sick and tired of getting all of my skill taken away whenever I want to do a roulette. It has gotten so bad that the only things I do nowadays are Experts and Frontlines.

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Originally Posted by AstreaLove

They're so bad.
It's the worst Alliance Raid you can get from the Alliance Roulette, it's always such a drag to get those worthless raids. They're long, slow & boring.

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Just stop standing in bad, dodge aoes and dont die LOL

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Originally Posted by AstreaLove

They're so bad.
It's the worst Alliance Raid you can get from the Alliance Roulette, it's always such a drag to get those worthless raids. They're long, slow & boring.

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I have to agree. I'd rather do any alliance raid over any Shadowbringers Nier.

Hot take maybe, but I'd rather have the length of the Nier raids.

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Originally Posted by alfarini

Hot take maybe, but I'd rather have the length of the Nier raids.

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Copied Factory is fine and Tower is tolerable, but Puppets Bunker has so many "why can I not attack?" moments that if they were out the raid would be probably half as long as it is.
I feel the issue with the Nier raids is what someone else said in here: they are being used as a sort of "Nier playground" and force you to sit and listen to things that most other raids don't have. One of this is fine (like say, that guy in the Ivalice raids that takes aim at everyone in a cs), but Puppets Bunker makes you wait for just about everything.