[Feedback] Data Center Travel Changes

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

If the server transfer cant be done and congested why not let us not do a request? or if in a request, let us cancel? let me play my other characters plz, not the one locked in the server transfer.

also I thought all the warnings said going to OCE/ Bismarck was supposed to be fine, it worked fine since DT released, why is it broke now?

Maybe SE servers cant handle savage release so close to new expansion? i doono but this is the first time I was stuck like this. Least have a way to cancel requests so we are not stuck, or block server requests if it is overwhelmed.

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like I said in my other thread, they should at the very least allow us to withdrawal the request, not stuck loading time and time again, even if i try go on a different server with a different character. its like SE never thinks about backup plans

My main lives on Aether, but the rest of my raid group lives on Crystal. For at least a year now, I've been traveling to Crystal to raid with my friends with zero repercussions. The queues have never been bad like this.

When Aether was WAY too packed for me to even login on Dawntrail's launch, I played on Dynamis to alleviate congestion on my own home DC. I don't use AFK macros as to not take up precious server space when I'm not playing. I'm playing my part and doing everything "right" to help alleviate congestion, and I'm still being punished. I'm now trapped in a data center transfer queue and can't even play the damn game because the transfer keeps erroring out and I have to start it over in hopes that this time will be the one. If I have to do this several times a week during the raid season I think I'm actually going to lose my damn mind. I can't even play the game with my siblings who live on Crystal because they're too afraid of traveling to Dynamis after hearing my horror stories.

Screw me for having friends on other data centers, I guess? Everyone always pisses and moans about how all the PFs for actual content are on Aether, but maybe I should just stay home and stop trying to branch out if it's going to be this much of a hassle just to play the game on other DCs.

Also, please stop making excuses for SE and blaming the players for something that is absolutely not their fault. This is no longer the era of small indie developer of a game with 300,000 active players.

Tried to visit my friends on Primal from Aether.
Let's me pick Excal to move to, I choose to DC transer.
Now Im stuck in a loop of trying to transfer to Primal - get a 2021 or 505
Complete crash, while I have to input an OTP each time
Only to be stuck back into an unending ability to DC transfer.

Please either force load the person into the DC-
Since you were so kind to let them choose to DC Travel-
Or send them home

It's broken. DC travel wasn't ready.

Put me back in DC travel jail. I can't get out of this stupid queue.

Yeah, I've been stuck trying to DC travel queue, I can't get out of DC travel queue. I've been here for over an hour, getting booted every 2-15 minutes. It's frankly kinda terrifying to not even be able to say "never mind" and back out. I just want to play the game with my friends. I'm not trying to go to a big venue, or a crowded server, I'm just trying to get to Maduin in Dynamis, it's normally a ghost town. This really feels like Square just did not realize what bottlenecking the servers like this would do. It's not like we ever evenly distributed across all the servers, but this really does not feel like it has made it any better.

Went to do content with my friend on Dynamis, and now am locked out of the game as I sit in a cycle of unknown wait times and error code crashes trying to get back home.

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Originally Posted by xoci

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I'm going to assume within a few days if not tomorrow that they increase the cap on Dynamis for travelers because it's a hard lockout system currently. Once Dynamis can be where people meet up for raid, over half of the complaints are going to disappear. They probably underestimated how many ppl would end up using Dynamis and set the cap too low. Don't know how high they'll raise it though because eventually they wouldn't want Dynamis to turn into Aether 2.0 permanently. Safest route is to use Dynamis for rn after the cap is pushed up and afterward to just create alts on each data center if you wanted to raid with a multi-dc static. Run the raid on the data center of the most people, and then run it again on alts for the people that didn't get loot on their main after. Either that or only choose from your main data center when filling slots.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

They literally talked about shutting off cross data center on stream as one of the solutions if things came down to it because at the end of the day, breaking up statics and venues is better having 75% of your region with no access to current raid tier PF content. If people actually handled the responsibility of data center travel properly and just visited other worlds instead of staying there all day and doing everything from there content wise, we wouldn't have been in this situation. Aether had 3-5k logins at Dawntrail with cross data center disabled. Their servers would've been massacred if it was triple by travel. They need to shut off people grouping up and have them spread out for hardware stability and overall content health.

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This is an insane take. Imagine thinking that splitting up friend groups is a good thing.

My static has people on three different data centers. Two of them took an hour to get over to Dynamis (where we planned to gather) and the others still haven't even gotten over. It's frustrating to know that we probably won't be able to raid tonight and I just hope this gets reversed before the week's out.

Some of you sound like genuinely miserable, friendless people. God forbid people have made friends and relationships with people cross server and want to travel for raiding. This was the worst time and worst way to implement these arbitrary population restrictions. It’s like absolutely no thoughts went into this before implementing it.

This is a atrocish. Our static was forced to PF M1s today cause of how DC travel worked. They need to take the game down tonight and fix it.

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Originally Posted by Cat1234567890

Some of you sound like genuinely miserable, friendless people. God forbid people have made friends and relationships with people cross server and want to travel for raiding. This was the worst time and worst way to implement these arbitrary population restrictions. It’s like absolutely no thoughts went into this before implementing it.

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Exactly! Someone's picking a fight with me on this exact point and I won't entertain it. Sorry some of us have friends we want to see by using the system the game put in place. Apparently we should have known better and we actually deserve to be stuck in login purgatory, because having friends is somehow rigging the system. This was a huge blunder, no other way around it.

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Originally Posted by Silaryn

This is an insane take. Imagine thinking that splitting up friend groups is a good thing.

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Something tells me they don't have many friends ig or irl.

This is what happens when you attempt Crystal > Dynamis. Was it a near-miss? I assume that the classic Aether/Dynamis meta is dead and we're back to the way things used to be?

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

This change is a direct response to the community choosing to pile on one DC at the expense of every other DC, which wasn't an issue at Endwalker's launch since DC travel didn't exist. If you want to be mad at someone be mad at everyone who participated in the dogpile.

Kudos to Yoship and the devs for delivering when they said they were going to do something about it. The change is great.

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You realize that Square Enix Holdings Co., Ltd. isn't doing so well, right? I agree that Yoshida hasn't made the best decisions during Endwalker, especially with DC travel, but we should hope for him to improve things in a more constructive manner. Right now people aren't able to log in.

I really hope this gets fixed soon. I am on Aether and the entire rest of my raid group is on Primal. I ended up costing our group nearly half of our raid time tonight because I was stuck in queues. This sucks.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

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Funny thing, I was gonna meet up with my friend to pick up gear on Dynamis, only to end up trapped in the rift between dcs. as for raid alts, unfortunately you have to drag that alt through all of msq which, at this point, is Really Freaking Long. I have an existing alt in Endwalker, but there's no way in hell I'm gonna be able to finish all of Dawntrail in the 20 hours I have until my static meets.

Anyway my main issue is the fact that this came out of literally nowhere. If I knew they were gonna do this ahead of time, I would have just joined an aether-specific static to begin with... Decisions like these have to be communicated well in advance, especially when it comes to game content that people literally make plans for months ahead of time.

Square Enix deserves to be cussed out for this debacle. Millions perhaps billions of dollars a year... and they messed up worse than End Walker with today.

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Originally Posted by Silaryn

This is an insane take. Imagine thinking that splitting up friend groups is a good thing.

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This is the real world. I'm sorry you don't like the idea of changes being implemented that have downsides. At the end of the day, the game existed for what? 7 years without data center travel. Majority of people aren't unsubbing even if they did take it out completely. Data center travel is a privelege, not a right.

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Originally Posted by sylphlands

Exactly! Someone's picking a fight with me on this exact point and I won't entertain it. Sorry some of us have friends we want to see by using the system the game put in place. Apparently we should have known better and we actually deserve to be stuck in login purgatory, because having friends is somehow rigging the system. This was a huge blunder, no other way around it.

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I noticed that, as well as the person who had been going on about how the DC system should be shut down. Do these people even hear what they're saying? This game is shockingly the first time I've had friends and stable RP in years, so forgive me for being upset for separating me from them.

Also VoidsendStatus its something that affects all players globally not just the American ones. I peaked in the japanese Forum and you find people describe the same problem. I play in Europe and I am stuck aswell. Its not just about Raiding Travel on American Data Centers.

Seconding this. I didn't even know this was going on and I can't believe anyone is trying to run a static with cross dc at all right now. The people going into DC travel wont even reach their destination until maybe 40 minutes to 2 hours later. I'm still trying to get back to my home world clawing in the dirt. I want to be able to at least do something tonight in game.

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Originally Posted by KazukoHimura

I noticed that, as well as the person who had been going on about how the DC system should be shut down. Do these people even hear what they're saying? This game is shockingly the first time I've had friends and stable RP in years, so forgive me for being upset for separating me from them.

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Not to mention that they've split the server/dc's before. So prior you might have been on Zalera which was iirc on Primal (where youve made friends) originally and then got moved to Zalera now on Crystal.

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Originally Posted by xoci

If I knew they were gonna do this ahead of time, I would have just joined an aether-specific static to begin with... Decisions like these have to be communicated well in advance, especially when it comes to game content that people literally make plans for months ahead of time.

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Agreed. Though a part of me thinks that the original limitation was a test. And they probably liked what they saw over the few weeks they had it in place and didn't want to remove it but knew a complete shut out like before was likely going to be too much outrage so they decided to replace it with a nerfed version. The fact the new announcement has no planned end date/time, tells me that they wanted something like this permanently. They're going to work out as many kinks as they can in the current system and prob keep it if I had to guess.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

This is the real world. I'm sorry you don't like the idea of changes being implemented that have downsides. At the end of the day, the game existed for what? 7 years without data center travel. Majority of people aren't unsubbing even if they did take it out completely. Data center travel is a privelege, not a right.

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Yeah, and when I first started playing, EU had only one datacenter. I had friends on Zodiark who just got moved away from Chaos. We were in different FCs and neither of us were going to abandon other friends just to hang out. DC Travel was the bandaid we needed to play together again.

Kindly piss off with your "travel is a privilege, not a right". It's been a part of the game for many people who, quite literally, don't know any different.

Rather than angry posting, because missing out our first raid day definitely has me heated.

Simply, please fix. I don't want to transfer to aether but I will if it becomes a problem. If I am just stuck forever I don't mind taking another long break bordering on permanent.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

This is the real world. I'm sorry you don't like the idea of changes being implemented that have downsides. At the end of the day, the game existed for what? 7 years without data center travel. Majority of people aren't unsubbing even if they did take it out completely. Data center travel is a privelege, not a right.

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As if they didnt force you to make friends on one server and data center (because pf) and then split your server location (aka known as the Crystal Split.)
So you make friends and then they split you.
A Right? Please.
If you allow something in your game then its your OBLIGATION to make it work, if youre getting paid a subscription especially.
If you cannot make it work then close the feature.

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Originally Posted by Ayalu

Also VoidsendStatus its something that affects all players globally not just the American ones. I peaked in the japanese Forum and you find people describe the same problem. I play in Europe and I am stuck aswell. Its not just about Raiding Travel on American Data Centers.

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I know. JP had a worse issue than Aether. They had Mana data center congested entirely, all 8 worlds, for like over a year. Elemental raiders apparently ran to Mana and flooded it, and even started hosting PF's excluding ppl from Elemental/English speakers from the more majority JP data centers. And RP/venues were more common on Elemental compared to the other data centers as well. Their raiding and venue community are going to have growing pains as well.

Honestly the changes in general are also Pretty Bad, but they'd have been taken with a lot less abject vitriol if they had been communicated properly.

DC travel is the kind of thing where, once you open Pandora's Box, there's no way to put it back without completely alienating a large part of the current population that joined the game after DC travel was implemented. People have built communities in game that rely on DC travel and it's weirdo behavior to go "okay screw your friend on another DC that doesn't want to play this game without their friends."

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Originally Posted by kajv95

DC Travel was the bandaid we needed to play together again.
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And you conveniently left out what you did until in the meantime. (according to google) Light was added on April 2, 2019 compared to July 2022 when Data Center Travel was released. What did you do during that 3 year time period?

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Originally Posted by Zandeth

Went to do content with my friend on Dynamis, and now am locked out of the game as I sit in a cycle of unknown wait times and error code crashes trying to get back home.

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1 hour and 37 minutes later, finally back home. Considering I had plans for maps and doing more content with my friend, who had to make their character on Dynamis because of the stupid congested rules to begin with, now I'm going to have to reschedule a lot to avoid dedicating nearly 2 hours to just praying for a function to work.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

And you conveniently left out what you did until in the meantime. (according to google) Light was added on April 2, 2019 compared to July 2022 when Data Center Travel was released. What did you do during that 3 year time period?

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Continue chatting with them on discord while hoping we'd be able to play again. And we were allowed to again in 2022 just like you said.
What's more, I eventually found out some people I know from outside Final Fantasy also played, and played on Light. So that unlocked too! Between old friends on Light, Chaos, some new friends we picked up on Light along the way thanks to DC travel, we were able to make a static that perfectly suits us. A static that I wasn't allowed to play with today because they shadowdropped new restrictions instead of "removing the restrictions" like they stated.
Heck, when they added being able to go to OCE, I was stoked because now I was even allowed to play with my pals in the american region without resorting to my Halicarnassus alt!
Now I can barely even play with them with either OCE OR Halicarnassus alt! Amazing.

Anyway, what's your point? Why does it matter "what I did during that 3 year period". What matters is what I, and so many other players, did with a feature that's been a part of the game for 2 years now. It's far, FAR too late to be walking this back in an attempt to not have to work on a solution to a perceived problem with the system.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

If people actually handled the responsibility of data center travel properly and just visited other worlds instead of staying there all day and doing everything from there content wise, we wouldn't have been in this situation. Aether had 3-5k logins at Dawntrail with cross data center disabled. Their servers would've been massacred if it was triple by travel. They need to shut off people grouping up and have them spread out for hardware stability and overall content health.

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Kind of rich for you to be talking about "handling responsibility" and propriety when you admit in this very thread that you've exploited loopholes to achieve multi-plot ownership.

Maybe sit this one out.

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Originally Posted by kajv95

Anyway, what's your point? Why does it matter "what I did during that 3 year period".

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Because the point is that, as hard of a pill as it may be to swallow, your friendships don't matter. The vast majority of people are not going to uninstall the game just because they can't play with a friend. You'd faster make an alt than quit the game. Most people would rather make a new static, than quit the game. So from a business perspective, when they are seeing community goals and content health not met, mass segregation happening in multiple regions, they have hardware being overly stressed, investing millions to obtain new infrastructure to help relieve it, and the community says "f*** your investments, I want to play where I want with my friends", what did you think the response would be? You're going to bark on the forums and social media about losing your friends and static, the same way that people had barked and complained /for years/ about the things that just got fixed finally because they cut off travel. Your friendships is not at the top of their priority list. So speaking on behalf of the suits at SE, you can take that "kindly piss off" and look in the mirror. Because everyone that dealt with a dead party finder and roulette, dead venues, dead open world for years, is finally happy. At the end of the day, they were more important than you.

Tried datacenter travel so I could bring our bits some gear I crafted on my main (my wife's main is in another dc). First it hung for at least 5 minutes at the character screen with just the rotating indicator in the bottom right corner to indicate it was doing anything. Eventually it gave a message with an estimated time of 1 minute. About 8 minutes later I get the 2021 error of world data could not be obtained. Now I restart the game choose Data Center and select my main's home DC and instead of giving me the character selection window to return my bit to my home DC, it goes to the DC travel log in screen with a timer. After about 7-9 minutes, this errors. Usually with the 2021 error. That's been going on for about 50 minutes now. The time before last it gave me a message about the transfer failing, but I can't get to a character selection screen anywhere. I've tried selecting the bit's home DC. I tried the DC I was trying to travel to, nothing. Just endless loop of it auto joining the transfer queue and then failing with no way to cancel it, etc.

Whatever code you added to vary things based on ever changing dc population is putting bits into this limbo of who knows where. My guess is that it's allowing dc travel and then at some point during the queued travel the world switches to not allow and the transfer is prevented from completing. But that's a complete guess. What I would like though is the ability to get to a character screen anywhere, even just to create a new bit somewhere to kill time.

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Originally Posted by Taytay

Kind of rich for you to be talking about "handling responsibility" and propriety when you admit in this very thread that you've exploited loopholes to achieve multi-plot ownership.

Maybe sit this one out.

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I wouldn't consider having 24 service accounts a loophole. Good assumption though.

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Originally Posted by Silaryn

This is an insane take. Imagine thinking that splitting up friend groups is a good thing.

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Dont bother with him, i'm sure he's the Dynamis bozja bot farmer, he literally gets mad when some people travel to Dynamis to farm in there.

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Originally Posted by kinslayer-

Dont bother with him, i'm sure he's the Dynamis bozja bot farmer, he literally gets mad when some people travel to Dynamis to farm in there.

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*points to the Crystal Bozja discord (CEM) announcement telling people from Crystal not to enter other data centers and grief players and take over farm*

It's been 3 hours. This is unacceptable.

Imagine even being able to have the option to DC travel. Welcome to Oceania.

I just spent an hour trying to go see friends on Crystal again in our usual hangout spot at their free company house, got disconnected from the queue seven times with 505 [Unable to successfully complete Data Center Travel request. If your character is not listed in the target Data Center, please wait a few moments before trying again.] and 2021 [World data could not be obtained. Please try logging in later.] errors which fully closed the game. I was then shoved right back in every time I loaded the game back up with no option to swap to any alts, no matter which Data Center I tried to access. When I could finally see my character on the log in screen on Mateus, I was told I couldn't log in as a visitor because the world was full. I had the same experience trying to return to my home world (Famfrit): an hour straight with seven or eight disconnect errors before I could even see the log in screen.

When DC travel was opened today, I expected some delays, but this is unacceptable. At least cancel the travel process if the target world is too full/congested, despite being a Standard world.

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