My name is not against ToS/Rules - Yet being forced to change it

I see worst names than that every day on the novice network. Like I saw one with last name of Pornstar. I don't see a thing wrong with that name. If they did that to me, I would quit and never have thing to do with SE again.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I see worst names than that every day on the novice network. Like I saw one with last name of Pornstar. I don't see a thing wrong with that name. If they did that to me, I would quit and never have thing to do with SE again.

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You know you can report those names in novice network, right?

Yikes this forum defending this stuff using "other people do it" or "there's worse"

Threads like these really show peoples true colors

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Originally Posted by Solakor

Yea i think it says more about the ones getting tilted over the name than the ones arguing against it being bad. Also it's ok to think what you want IF it is within the rules i set for you... These guys are so funny but i guess that's what social media agenda warring does to ppl

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I think you mistyped in the address bar, I believe the place you think you were going was x.com. This is a game's official forums.

There is nothing wrong with the name, just people that need to get over themselves and not police others over harmless things.

Given the kind of people this game attracts I'm of the opinion that this isn't as harmless as you'd like us to believe

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Originally Posted by JuicyHeals

Given the kind of people this game attracts I'm of the opinion that this isn't as harmless as you'd like us to believe

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loli

There are many meanings, and its already used as an actualy name. That even includes an australian (which means that in english speaking countries it shouldnt be as much as an issue. its not like everyone gets a wiki page, so you can be sure there is a decent usage of such surnames): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Loli

That loli is also an abbreviation for something else... thats a side effect. But on that context could be worth it. Since depending on DC the meaning and implications can vary a lot. I can understand that in japan the name would be a big issue, but in europe, it barely makes a dent. In europe we accept a lot more of this stuff (even significantly more than the US).

But since the game has japanese origin... i suspect even these arguments wont help. But maybe its worth sending that Peter url to indicate its an existing name.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I think you mistyped in the address bar, I believe the place you think you were going was x.com. This is a game's official forums.

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Do you need to get something off your chest perhaps? Should I call Chris Hansen for you? How are people this weird over a word? Ppl need to go touch grass or get their issues straightened. Also as it has been said many times, if it's so bad to have this name then why can you use it in character creation? Because it isn't bad and ppl who can only think that one thing about this word in this context are the actual weirdos. I bet these guys would report you for saying git gud or something lmao. Social justice warriors.

"grr social justice warriors virtue signaling grr" says someone climbing over himself to post repeatedly how he's NOT offended by words, make sure you got that on the record, just so everyone knows, NOT offended by words not EVER.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

"grr social justice warriors virtue signaling grr" says someone climbing over himself to post repeatedly how he's NOT offended by words, make sure you got that on the record, just so everyone knows, NOT offended by words not EVER.

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You just proved my point. Also defending someone from stupidity is community service

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Originally Posted by Sindele

"grr social justice warriors virtue signaling grr" says someone climbing over himself to post repeatedly how he's NOT offended by words, make sure you got that on the record, just so everyone knows, NOT offended by words not EVER.

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We are witnessing someone shrinking and transforming into a corncob live, aren't we...

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Originally Posted by Solakor

You just proved my point. Also defending someone from stupidity is community service

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If that's the case, the best community service you could provide would be to leave.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

If that's the case, the best community service you could provide would be to leave.

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Kinda ironic don't you think? Also your comments are straight from the twitter hand book. Lots of crying for lots of nothing. You are judging ppl according to your social justice agenda and can't for the life of you try to see things objectively. That's what the brainrot does to ppl. You can still be saved lmao

The attempts to justify this name are absurd.

In Japan, "loli" is a sexualized underage girl. Do we need to go on?

This is not "Peter Loli" we're talking about. When you lead with a Japanese word like "Sensei" or "Senpai," you are inviting, indeed welcoming, the Japanese interpretation. And wouldn't you know it? The character in question is a female lalafell...

"Loli" culture in Japan is not "cute" or mainstream. It is a "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" subculture that uses code words and pushes up to the limit of what the law will accept.

In an online game, you don't get to play with just your subculture. You have to play with real people from real life. It's no wonder that the name was reported.

At first I thought that perhaps OP was simply unaware of the connotations. But keeping the last name the same even after the "change" pretty much rules that out.

This is the most absurd defense over the use of 'Loli' I've ever seen. I'm sure GMs would like to ban other people, but they can't pull up a list of players and start banning them. Part of that is that it needs to be reported. Looks like you got reported.

Given how close to the concept of 'loli' in popular culture you are with how you define it, you're fully aware of what it is. None of this is unfair, it doesn't matter how you define a word, if the world and community at large define it differently, then that is the definition that matters much much more, especially given that it does violate ToS. This isn't an absurd situation, everyone who's been on the internet and in circle with weirdo weebs knows exactly what 'loli' is and how the term is used. And I'm sure if these many people that everyone is mentioning were also reported that they'd also be banned.

Don't have 'loli isn't sexual' be the hill you die on. It's really not worth it. Especially trying to self aggrandize yourself as the champion for the use of the word 'loli' in your name. It's not gonna be a good look in the long term.

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Originally Posted by EorzeaWanderer

The attempts to justify this name are absurd.

In Japan, "loli" is a sexualized underage girl. Do we need to go on?

This is not "Peter Loli" we're talking about. When you lead with a Japanese word like "Sensei" or "Senpai," you are inviting, indeed welcoming, the Japanese interpretation. And wouldn't you know it? The character in question is a female lalafell...

"Loli" culture in Japan is not "cute" or mainstream. It is a "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" subculture that uses code words and pushes up to the limit of what the law will accept.

In an online game, you don't get to play with just your subculture. You have to play with real people from real life. It's no wonder that the name was reported.

At first I thought that perhaps OP was simply unaware of the connotations. But keeping the last name the same even after the "change" pretty much rules that out.

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Citations needed. Seriously your post is a prime example of how many conclusions you can get to due to sheer ignorance on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Solakor

This is a clear case of the GM being in the wrong. There was no clear implication the OP was in the wrong about anything with their name and they have a right to dispute this. You guys are crusading here and trying to stifle conversation using every trick in the book you can. One moment you are pointing at every word ppl say and another you try to look calm and collected but the message is always the same. My agenda is right and yours is not.

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The GM received a report and after whatever behind the scenes stuff happened delivered a verdict. The player in question is free to dispute it yes, but that is extremely unlikely to work and also requires support. The reported player attempted to gain that support from the forums and the forums are filled with people who will both defend and condemn their actions. There's no crusade going on here. Just people saying their thoughts and explaining their positions.

I don't see this thread changing anything about the OP's situation and may actually make it worse. Trying to point fingers likely won't help with that, but good luck in your strategy.

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Originally Posted by Petori

Citations needed. Seriously your post is a prime example of how many conclusions you can get to due to sheer ignorance on the subject.

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Lmao
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Sidenote: It's quite telling how most of the people who are vehemently against the OP appear to be American.

"Sheer ignorance on the subject" What do you have a Masters in sexualizing underaged girls? And if citations are needed, where are yours?

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Originally Posted by Xirean

The GM received a report and after whatever behind the scenes stuff happened delivered a verdict. The player in question is free to dispute it yes, but that is extremely unlikely to work and also requires support. The reported player attempted to gain that support from the forums and the forums are filled with people who will both defend and condemn their actions. There's no crusade going on here. Just people saying their thoughts and explaining their positions.

I don't see this thread changing anything about the OP's situation and may actually make it worse. Trying to point fingers likely won't help with that, but good luck in your strategy.

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The community at large does not make the rules. SE does. There is nothing in the name that implies it is used in a weird manner and it was allowed through the character creation. Players policing how ppl are supposed to play the game is not in the rules. The only thing the OP wanted was to get noticed by SE support because they don't know what else they could have done. Also them being able to still keep the word loli is enough evidence that it's not against any rule.

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Originally Posted by Solakor

The community at large does not make the rules. SE does. There is nothing in the name that implies it is used in a weird manner and it was allowed through the character creation. Players policing how ppl are supposed to play the game is not in the rules. The only thing the OP wanted was to get noticed by SE support because they don't know what else they could have done. Also them being able to still keep the word loli is enough evidence that it's not against any rule.

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Look up the scunthorpe problem please for the love of god. The word itself is the 'weird manner' and to say otherwise is to play ignorant just to try and make your point. If making someone change their name from something offensive to inoffensive is 'policing how people play the game' then we're already there. I don't see anyone naming themselves racial slurs or curse words. Hell, Charmin Ultrasoft had to change their name due to covid. More importantly, it's a name. This is not SQE going to their home and breaking their fingers for something, this is not some crazy mass policing. This is 'hey we don't like the name, change it'. Equating that to policing is absolutely blowing it out of proportion.

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Originally Posted by Solakor

The community at large does not make the rules. SE does. There is nothing in the name that implies it is used in a weird manner and it was allowed through the character creation. Players policing how ppl are supposed to play the game is not in the rules. The only thing the OP wanted was to get noticed by SE support because they don't know what else they could have done. Also them being able to still keep the word loli is enough evidence that it's not against any rule.

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I'm not sure where I said the community makes rules. Players are free to make reports against other players all they want and GM's are free to act on or ignore those reports based entirely on how their department trained them. Names being allowed should never be taken as a pass on the name in perpetuity. Forced name changes happen all the time and will keep happening. Perhaps the OP hasn't actually changed the name yet? I'm also not concerned with what is and isn't against the rules for this name. I get why people reported and I get why the GM did what they did.

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Originally Posted by Ysuhli

Look up the scunthorpe problem please for the love of god. The word itself is the 'weird manner' and to say otherwise is to play ignorant just to try and make your point. If making someone change their name from something offensive to inoffensive is 'policing how people play the game' then we're already there. I don't see anyone naming themselves racial slurs or curse words. Hell, Charmin Ultrasoft had to change their name due to covid. More importantly, it's a name. This is not SQE going to their home and breaking their fingers for something, this is not some crazy mass policing. This is 'hey we don't like the name, change it'. Equating that to policing is absolutely blowing it out of proportion.

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The problem is that one GM does not police things the same way that another GM does. There is no consistent policy how or what ppl are allowed to name their char. Yes you can report someone for anything in this game and if you are out of luck anything you say can be used against you in someones head. That is the issue. Not the names themselves, even though it is ridiculous they need to be changed.

*I should be able to Violate the ToS because other people are Violating the ToS* Great post fam.

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Originally Posted by Solakor

The problem is that one GM does not police things the same way that another GM does. There is no consistent policy how or what ppl are allowed to name their char. Yes you can report someone for anything in this game and if you are out of luck anything you say can be used against you in someones head. That is the issue. Not the names themselves, even though it is ridiculous they need to be changed.

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This is far from a situation where anything is unfair or inconsistent? And how is this an issue of GMs being unfair? Their name violates ToS, 'loli' is not allowed nor should be. Trying to turn an argument that 'loli isn't sexual' into 'gms apply their rules unfairly and inconsistently' are two separate issues. Trying to turn this argument about 'loli' into the argument about 'gms being unfair' is going to make you and others who make similar claims look like they're pro-'loli', which isn't a good look for very obvious reasons. And if that is your argument, make it clear that it is, otherwise it's poorly structured since no one can tell what you're arguing about. Motte and Bailey fallacies do no one any good, especially you.

Ultimately GMs police to what the ToS says. If you wanna read through it and try to point out how they're unfair, sure? Maybe? Go ahead, but you can't make that assumption. We don't have the official SQE guidelines on how they're supposed to act. We pay to play their games and agree to follow their rules, not ours. We do not know the standards they are held to nor whether the GMs make the decision or their supervisors do. We can try to make the claim that it's unfair, but we have probably a quarter of the picture on how GM moderation works or is supposed to work. To try and act like we can tell if it's unfair or not is being deliberately ignorant for the sake of deflecting from the original issue of 'lolicon is bad'.

I can not imagine dying on the hill of wanting to keep a name that implies you like to sexualize children. Regardless of personal intention, words have connotation and meaning and sadly regardless of the fact rhat "Lolita" was a name that had nothing to do with pedophilia and that the novel itself was anti-pedophilia, it has been co-opted and used to indicate sexual interest in children and this is not line we want to be soft about in any community. No pedophilia. Not as a joke. Not as an unfortunate coincidence. No.

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Originally Posted by Ysuhli

This is far from a situation where anything is unfair or inconsistent? And how is this an issue of GMs being unfair? Their name violates ToS, 'loli' is not allowed nor should be. Trying to turn an argument that 'loli isn't sexual' into 'gms apply their rules unfairly and inconsistently' are two separate issues. Trying to turn this argument about 'loli' into the argument about 'gms being unfair' is going to make you and others who make similar claims look like they're pro-'loli', which isn't a good look for very obvious reasons. And if that is your argument, make it clear that it is, otherwise it's poorly structured since no one can tell what you're arguing about. Motte and Bailey fallacies do no one any good, especially you.

Ultimately GMs police to what the ToS says. If you wanna read through it and try to point out how they're unfair, sure? Maybe? Go ahead, but you can't make that assumption. We don't have the official SQE guidelines on how they're supposed to act. We pay to play their games and agree to follow their rules, not ours. We do not know the standards they are held to nor whether the GMs make the decision or their supervisors do. We can try to make the claim that it's unfair, but we have probably a quarter of the picture on how GM moderation works or is supposed to work. To try and act like we can tell if it's unfair or not is being deliberately ignorant for the sake of deflecting from the original issue of 'lolicon is bad'.

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Jumping to conclusions isn't policing the rules it's making them on the spot. Loli does not inherently mean anything bad but you can jump to a conclusion. You yourself are giving a meaning to the OPs name that it does not inherently have.

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Originally Posted by Solakor

This is a clear case of the GM being in the wrong. There was no clear implication the OP was in the wrong about anything with their name and they have a right to dispute this. You guys are crusading here and trying to stifle conversation using every trick in the book you can. One moment you are pointing at every word ppl say and another you try to look calm and collected but the message is always the same. My agenda is right and yours is not.

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A basic internet posting lesson for you: the cadence someone assumes in a post is not necessarily a reflection of their emotional state. If anything, I'm actually more amped up now than I was earlier - shoutout to modern pharmaceutical stimulants.

This isn't government legislation or a game of D&D. You're neither on an equal level of negotiation with them nor conferred a legal right to be treated as such. You're playing a service game, and the terms of agreement are invariably transparently clear that the company has the right to do literally whatever they want to your characters and your account at any time and your recourse is to deal with it. Hell, they literally define whether words are acceptable or not with what 'a reasonable person' would think is acceptable - if you made the mistake of reading that as anything other than 'according to our corporate opinion', you're dangerously naive and should consider never signing contracts without a lawyer present, or at least a very good advisor.

GMs are only ever in the wrong with an enforcement action if the company decides retroactively that they were wrong, and I think this thread so far has proven a pretty solid example of why you shouldn't hold your breath for that to happen here.

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Originally Posted by Nyaw_

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I would really just like to know why you, and so many other people these days, do this.

Well I side with the GMs in this one, enough said, and it is something it can refer towards which is just plain wrong, also this is a Japanese game.

You may want to rething stuff, and also to sort of have some manners, in a figure of speech.

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Originally Posted by Solakor

Jumping to conclusions isn't policing the rules it's making them on the spot. Loli does not inherently mean anything bad but you can jump to a conclusion. You yourself are giving a meaning to the OPs name that it does not inherently have.

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Again, I don't see a world where on the internet you can reasonably argue that 'loli' is not inherently bad without clocking yourself. Making the argument otherwise is ridiculous. But for the sake of the argument, lets explore that. Language is derived from culture and drawing meaning from surroundings and how you make meaning of the world. To then say that 'well they didn't mean it that way' when clearly enough people around them see otherwise, is worthless. The meaning of your name, their name, especially when said name is just a japanese honorific plus a rather infamous noun that I will make the bold statement; most people on the internet know- the meaning is not up to them. I can't name myself a slur and say 'well it means something different to me'.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Well I side with the GMs in this one, enough said, and it is something it can refer towards which is just plain wrong, also this is a Japanese game.

You may want to rething stuff, and also to sort of have some manners, in a figure of speech.

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International game according to their own description. Also how can you talk about respect if you keep policing only 1 way of thinking?

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Originally Posted by Solakor

International game according to their own description. Also how can you talk about respect if you keep policing only 1 way of thinking?

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Originally Posted by Solakor

International game according to their own description. Also how can you talk about respect if you keep policing only 1 way of thinking?

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It has nothing to do with, you can use google, and see what references comes up, that is enough said and there is nothing more to discuss about it that the name is simply wrong to use and the intensions is too obvious.

Maybe the person for self see it different, but for the crowd, it may give them bad associations, meaning that something has to be done, and they did.

THIS is first of all a Japanese game, and they are not going to lose face over someone being inappropiate or be associated with possible bad stuff through that, and that is that.

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Originally Posted by Ysuhli

Again, I don't see a world where on the internet you can reasonably argue that 'loli' is not inherently bad without clocking yourself. Making the argument otherwise is ridiculous. But for the sake of the argument, lets explore that. Language is derived from culture and drawing meaning from surroundings and how you make meaning of the world. To then say that 'well they didn't mean it that way' when clearly enough people around them see otherwise, is worthless. The meaning of your name, their name, especially when said name is just a japanese honorific plus a rather infamous noun that I will make the bold statement; most people on the internet know- the meaning is not up to them. I can't name myself a slur and say 'well it means something different to me'.

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Loli isnt bad because it has different meanings other than lolicon. Assuming the OPs name refers to that is one sided way of looking at it. Even slurs in one language are normal words in another f.e. baguette. How many baguette named characters are there and should they all be made to rename? This is just one example btw. There are millions of words that have different meanings and assuming one meaning does not make it inherently bad.

Are we gonna argue the use of a Japanese word in a japanses Ran game? Also said word is seen as Synonymous with CP in MOST countries so lets be real. OP just wants to be dumb.

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Originally Posted by Solakor

Loli isnt bad because it has different meanings other than lolicon. Assuming the OPs name refers to that is one sided way of looking at it. Even slurs in one language are normal words in another f.e. baguette. How many baguette named characters are there and should they all be made to rename? This is just one example btw. There are millions of words that have different meanings and assuming one meaning does not make it inherently bad.

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So you would call yourself, a loli-connisurre.....if you would........

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Originally Posted by Solakor

Loli isnt bad because it has different meanings other than lolicon. Assuming the OPs name refers to that is one sided way of looking at it. Even slurs in one language are normal words in another f.e. baguette. How many baguette named characters are there and should they all be made to rename? This is just one example btw. There are millions of words that have different meanings and assuming one meaning does not make it inherently bad.

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I mean I've made my point several times at this point. One does not equate the other. This isn't like they were banned for being named baguette, this is not a case where it's some obscure word that sounds like a slur in another language. This is a well known word, originating from a book that was literally about the same exact topic. I see no other world where, if you are involved in the internet heavily enough to be playing FFXIV, you do not know at least SLIGHTLY that the meaning is bad. To pretend to do so is straight up lying.

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Originally Posted by strawberrycake

So you would call yourself, a loli-connisurre.....if you would........

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Not bad. I'll give you that one but not in that kinda context.