WAR/MRD Concept

Even WHM's can realistically out AoE WAR's in more than a few scenarios because Stonera and Aerora are on shorter timers and a shit tons of mobs are seemingly weak to wind/stone, so it's not really splitting hairs Meatdawg.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

War Steel Cyclone is same as Leg Sweep and Drg has lots of goodies on top of that. Steel Cyclone is not what it used to be.

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Rampage is still effective at keeping you alive while you SC 5 mobs with no downtime. I just don't see a drg killing the same amount of level 51+ mobs with no downtime. It took me 6 hours to sb my Bravura, I should have a better gauge on Drg this weekend when i do the lance.

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

Even WHM's can realistically out AoE WAR's in more than a few scenarios because Stonera and Aerora are on shorter timers and a shit tons of mobs are seemingly weak to wind/stone, so it's not really splitting hairs Meatdawg.

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You are still MP dependent. Over time your gonna lose out. Spirit Bind the whm staff solo and let me know how much fun it is.

On the same token WAR's SC is TP dependant, besides your discounting WHM can get Ballad, Shroud of Saints, Blissful Mind, and Meds for MP restoration and just like with WS usage pacing your MP consumption let's you go on for quite some time.

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

Rampage is still effective at keeping you alive while you SC 5 mobs with no downtime. I just don't see a drg killing the same amount of level 51+ mobs with no downtime. It took me 6 hours to sb my Bravura, I should have a better gauge on Drg this weekend when i do the lance.

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But the subject was damage dealing, not survivability. I do hamlet on Drg (not Aleport) and the runs would finish a lot faster than if I were to do them on War. Stronger aoe being partly responsible for that.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

But the subject was damage dealing, not survivability. I do hamlet on Drg (not Aleport) and the runs would finish a lot faster than if I were to do them on War. Stronger aoe being partly responsible for that.

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why DRG? I'm just curious because damage from players really isn't a priority in hamlet defense.

It's two minutes less we have to wait for it to finnish. It's not just to do damage, but it's to help spread them out over all the archers.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

It's two minutes less we have to wait for it to finnish. It's not just to do damage, but it's to help spread them out over all the archers.

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I do that too but on WAR or PLD. Good to know I don't need to use those classes though.

Yeah I did it on War, but got so bored of it and tried something different. Except for Aleport (because of bomb spamm) it's perfectly doable to use Drg. (Decent gear tho, no -hp gear)

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

But the subject was damage dealing, not survivability. I do hamlet on Drg (not Aleport) and the runs would finish a lot faster than if I were to do them on War. Stronger aoe being partly responsible for that.

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The reason you use drg is because it is far superior at single target dps....

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

On the same token WAR's SC is TP dependant, besides your discounting WHM can get Ballad, Shroud of Saints, Blissful Mind, and Meds for MP restoration and just like with WS usage pacing your MP consumption let's you go on for quite some time.

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So you claim War's are tp dependent but give your whm ballad.......

I am talking solo, not in a party aoe'ing leve mobs..

No I'm using it to aoe group of mobs as well. Legsweep > Doomspike are two aoes , THen there is the Ring of Talons combo and keen flurry to repeat the combo. And Drg does actually have the tp to back it all up.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

No I'm using it to aoe group of mobs as well. Legsweep > Doomspike are two aoes , THen there is the Ring of Talons combo and keen flurry to repeat the combo. And Drg does actually have the tp to back it all up.

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When you arnt tanking or have the help of a whm a drg is great for dps. That isn't always the case..

If DRG is so great at AOE, why do they fight 3 raptors at a time while WAR can pull the entire zone for 46-49's?

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Originally Posted by Churchill

If DRG is so great at AOE, why do they fight 3 raptors at a time while WAR can pull the entire zone for 46-49's?

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I don't understand why people keep confusing offense with defense.

Lets pause DPS competition and back to the concept discussion (´；ω；｀)

Marauders are fearsome frontline combatants whose arsenal of actions enables them to strengthen their offensive and defensive prowess, whichever the situation demands.
- Berserk and Rampage stance doing it right

Charging into battle with a massive axe, the marauder quickly draws the attention of enemies, and turns their attacks against them.
- ability to generate massive enmity to mobs group when initiate in tanking. Steel Cyclone? may be something like old [Warmonger] skill?

Warriors have the honor of possessing the highest HP of any class or job.
- yes, atm

Thriving on the enmity of his foes, there is no fiercer fighter on the field of battle.
-most of Warrior skills is in the purpose but may be making it make more enmity with more dmg skill rather than straight to enmity boost?

Only issue I'm seeing here is WAR's single target DPS is lacking like crazy. Warriors bring a lot of unique features that paladin doesn't have, yet still are decent tanks. Warriors have superior snap enmity if played correctly, and superior aoe, while paladin excels and slow, yet steady enmity generation and damage negation