Ah, but you didn't mention him among the mystery characters!
You didn't see him! And then when I mentioned him you thought I meant Gulool Ja Ja, cause u didn't know who I was talking about, admit it :P
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What if solution nine were linked to the ninth shard? The problem is the ninth shard is still alive. The only way I could see that working is if the Solution 9 city/project was the reason the ascians didn’t cause a rejoining via the 9th somehow.
That could lead to the end of Y’shtolas shard travel arc if they were the keys to her finding the knowledge to do so. It also could lead to content on the ninth in future patches, or via a later expansion.
Solution to the issue of a Rejoining of the Ninth? Is it related to the Lightning Aether in the area I wonder? Lightning powered city.
Or maybe it's called Solution Nine because it's actually a city from the future, the future after the Eighth but before the Ninth Umbral Calamity? And they travelled back in time to a solution? So exactly the same story we already got told except a different future timeline? But no Ascians anymore.
I was watching on a co-stream that did an unfortunate amount of talking over the English translation. Did they actually say that the city has gone unnoticed or are you making assumptions?
If it wasn't stated then I don't see any reason to assume it was hidden. If anything, it explains where Eorzea has been importing some of its more recent fashion choices from.
The icon is a heart and the video seems to show it from the inside, containing a bunch of bottle-looking things.
I'm most intrigued by the combination of the proto-alphabet and the signage with the faces.
Speculation runs rampant but then you figure it's probably worth trying to narrow the possibilities down to things that that play nice with what we can infer the Ascians, the Twelve, the Loporrits, etc. knew without making their actions/words over the span of years seem odd ... and then with terms like "Solution IX", "Heritage Found", "Soul Supply", and those posters...
I try to focus more on archiving than speculation but... that's an interesting puzzle.
For their part, the regulars in my usual sphere are already debating which Genome theory makes the most sense, lol.
I don't know if it's due to CG cinematic limitations, or if it's somehow significant, but I did notice just about every (humanoid, non-Scion) NPC in the cinematic trailer was wearing either voluminous red robes that remind me of what Gogo wears (both in the original FFV and FFVI, as well as the BLU instance in FFXIV), or a white shirt with suspenders that have a zillion shared models among crafting gear.
I noticed it because it was common to the point of looking like some sort of uniform, so I wondered if this is a uniform. Maybe indicating "people from Yok Tural" and "people from Xak Tural"?
Lots of interesting possibilities. The expansions have had similarities to the main titles; Stormblood vaguely resembled FFII (War with the Empire, nothing too deep), Shadowbringers had several elements from FFIII (Crystal Tower, Warriors of Darkness, Light and Darkness are neither good nor evil, Eternal Wind), Endwalker FFIV (Too many to list, lol). Assuming this trend continues, Dawntrail should have FFV references and story beats. We already have Krile stepping up to be a more important role, her namesake being from FFV. The main story element that I think they'd use is two worlds once separated remerging into one, but of course that's nothing new for FFXIV. Another game that has a major story element of two worlds merging is FFIX. I'm thinking that's the Solution Nine reference, and could be another plan put in place by the Ascians. Perhaps the whole northern continent is from another shard, or another shard is bleeding over into the source and perhaps that's why there's a huge gash in the world, and also why there are two very different civilizations in the same place. The whole "Soul Supply" thing has me thinking about Zidane's people, the Genomes, who are vessels waiting to be filled with souls.
All these pictures of the newer ancient people ... I'm going to call it the Local Shopping mall... Employment is where the Employee's go for their breaks and lunches or the "mall cops" and the Soul Supply is just the local GNC
All the pictures of people are like the Victoria Secret Models or Actors from their Local TV Shows like "ENTM" (Etheriys Next Top Model) or Etheriys' Got Talent EGT.
Solution Nine actually being labeled as a town both on the world map and in media is really making me think it's not some long dead civilization and rather one that's still alive, but perhaps not known of until only recently.
It would be rather egregious if something with tech levels matching if not surpassing the Allagans had simply been sitting on the Source unknown of unless it was only revealed recently...or perhaps even arrived recently.
Possible, but I'm thinking unlikely. For example, of the two women Thancred was attempting to hit on, each was wearing one of the "uniforms"; the Hyur in the red robes, and the Miqo'te in the suspenders.
And in the backgrounds (eg when G'raha was enjoying his taco), there are several suspender-wearing people, not just Miqo'te, sitting around at the food stalls. It's possible they're all Lominsans or other visitors from Eorzea, but the suspenders is kind of an odd uniform choice.
YoshiP did state that Solution Nine is a "player hub", so it's going to be either the Marketboard hub or the Tomestone hub.
One possibility, given the mismatch of tech levels in some of the concept art, is the "current" population of Xak Tural were building on the "ancient" high-tech area, including moving in and repurposing the existing buildings; something like Idyllshire building upon the Sharlayan Emporium in Dravania. But the sheer scale of Solution Nine makes me think that might not be the case, particularly since so much of Solution Nine is still lit up and working, including what looks like shopping mall advertisements.
I wonder if it's significant that the Japanese name for Solution Nine is just "Solution Nine" in English, transliterated into Japanese katakana. As in, the "Nine" is just "ナイン", rather than "九". Usually when this is done in the Japanese script, it's a sign that it's all a proper name, intended to be read as-is rather than by the definition of each word.
Yoshi-P/Kate said it was the hub in the fan fest.
Solution Nine also shows up on the new, updated world map they showed of the Source.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...21fbfdf4144b7&
I think everyone's already overfocusing on Solution Nine and trying to figure out the solution to its mystery as a big grand revelation, and I don't think it's going to be, at all.
Their real origin is going to be fairly straightforward and non-relevatory, their core story relevance is instead what they've been up to in the present day, the real twist is probably closer to the Tulliyolal side of the storyline (or completely disconnected from both), there might well already be hints... and we won't notice because we've been too busy trying to build up Solution Nine as something it isn't.
We've done this before, all our predictions about Endwalker were totally broken because we bigged up the moon too much. Granted, that was fairly understandable as a mistake.
New content aside, Soken has done it again - the full version of the trailer music is superb! Love it!
I am excited for Solution Nine. I have heard lots of theories about what it could be, but given as to the hints in the name, the signs, and the vaguely Ascian looking symbol in the raid that looks to be associated with it, I am intrigued. I have heard everything from survivors of a Shard, to something to do with Azem, to something to do with something Terra like (from FF9), but it is finally something that actually makes me want to play Dawntrail to find out. :)
The whole beach vacation/political intrigue plot doesn't interest me in the slightest, though.
Can't say I love the look of the new classes either.
Yeah, who these people are and what they are doing here is the first thing about the expansion that has piqued my interest, too. Before that I was just biting my nails, hoping we don't go there and do anything evil.
While I'm gonna level both up because I level everything up, I'm not really excited about either. I'm more excited about Pictomancer than Viper which is silly of me given Black Mage is my least favorite job, so if it plays similar, those 20 levels will be torture.
And to all those who end up in roulettes with me as I level of jobs I have no interest in, let me apologize in advance. Guess I'll be doing something evil in Dawntrail regardless, huh?
For Solution 9, I'm leaning hard on them being a civilization from another shard that managed to teleport their way there during the last calamity (they're originally from the shard that was re-joined but were advanced enough to keep the core of their civilization intact during the process). They've then kept a low profile for the last number of years as they've been in the process of figuring out just what their new home looks like.
They're far too advanced looking for the source to have been there a longer amount than a couple of years as their tech would definitely have attracted the Ascians or Garlemalds attention before now. It's not impossible to rule them out being a shoot off of the Allagan Empire at some point but given their level of tech too much time would have passed for them to not have significant influence on the planet at that point. Even Garlemald at it's height had projected power and influence over half the world.
It's still all hypothesis right now but a civilization from a fallen shard that managed to survive a re-joining would be a big deal expecially for Y'shtola as she would be all over that in her side quest to develop intershard transport.
Not necessarily. I'm approaching this as Solution Nine being like Elpis, in terms of story revelations, although its status as a player hub would probably mean it will feature early on (so maybe the second half of Labyrinthos).
And Elpis was a major story revelation, which still does not change the impact of the bigger story revelation of Ultima Thule.
I don't think this is a case of Gohn in ShB, where there was the big fiery devastation and Urianger calling Y'shtola "Master Matoya", and it turned out to just be backstory. I think it is going to have interesting lore discoveries, even if its presence here being revealed during Fanfest means it's not going to be the biggest twist.
I know it feels a little bit rude and stick-in-the-mud, but honestly, I feel like I can see the next half a year laid out in front of me in just people's responses to that particular thing, because I don't see this as just being a 'fresh new thing' sort of speculation that'll quiet down in a week or two. I think people are gonna fixate HARD on this one.
And I actually suspect that fixation's gonna lead to people making progressively more incorrect predictions, as we just start pre-emptively complexifying a twist that's probably not gonna be a huge swerve in the first place.
That depends how those "neon lights" are powered and the technological path required to get there.
Given that the area is apparently rich in lightning aether, they might have actually taken a pretty simple magical route (along with some coincidental aesthetics) to go very directly to aether-powered glowing stuff without a lot of time or development necessary.
The stereotypical route would be that it's the evil empire draining the land of aether, particularly given the allusions to FF7 – but if they wanted to go a surprising route, it could counterintuitively be "living in harmony with nature" for a very specific and unusual type of nature.
That said, it seems conspicuous that we haven't been shown or informed of any residents of this city and that may be the answer to its mystery, albeit one that I actually hope we don't get told the answer to until we play the game for ourselves.
Well while im torn between ALIENS (lol), Allag or even Acient remains or shard, shard just suits too well after emet told us about "civilizations that would surprise us".
Though IF they are from an shard that got destroyed, they might have used ways to protect themselfs and ride along the aether flowing back, thus not helping y'stola...
Solution 9 is the name of one of Zidane's trance attacks from FF9 which Viper is indirectly based on. My guess is Solution 9, Aliens, Tera. Its a reach but I ain't got nothing else.
A bit of random trivia about "Arcadion": the Japanese subtitle is "至天の座", which I would roughly translate to "heavenly seat", or possibly "the seat of (going to) heaven".
Does anyone have any insight on the source of the name "Arcadion"?
No but as they kinda pushed really hard on gettin it done... i mean, we kinda are halfway through it and now its onto the new world, which was another point. Id prefer one per expansion as well but they seem to be determined to rush through it.
We also did get teased there were others out there, so ofc we know we are not alone, meteion did not get everyone and we know even where she hit, some survived. Again, id hope for some visitors as well, its just it feels like they wanna rush through it and this would be a way gettin it done, without the pressure of us entering another shard...
Id be also very pleased about a "we wanted to find the ones that stopped her" or "we learned from where the end came and wanted revenge..." plot.
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Right! that one concept screenshot we got: https://imgur.com/4GeAiUv
Those are ships, fighters and id say carriers? That definitely looks Alien, if not Alien Invasion....
My first thought was that there are a lot of places IRL that use the similar name "Arcadia" to hark back to a region of ancient Greece associated with being an idyllic refuge, but that usually carried associations with unspoiled wilderness so I'm not terribly confident I'm barking up the right tree.
The other mamoojal at the bottom- which from the picture's composition makes it a logical deduction that he is the other royal rival claimant to the throne who hired Thancred and Urianger. Hazarding a guess, he's the natural-born child of Gulool Ja Ja and it'll be interesting to see if his attitude towards his adopted sister is amicable or deeply contentious - the writing is full of possibilities. The catboy in white might be from Sharlayan but I think is more likely to be a native of North Tural and some sort of faction leader or important there. Our key guy in Heritage Found I'd wager. Brown-haired girl has Ellone from Eshtar *cough* Mikoto from Terra *cough* knowing nothing else she's probably connected to Solution Nine.
Solution Nine. Yeah that's a shock. Not that there's a more advanced than the Garleans purple-themed society in North Tural who look posed to take over as fresh antagonists at least temporarily; I'm giddy to be right about that. The full-on cyberpunk aesthetic was a surprise. And speculation can go anywhere so I'm trying not to cling to any theory because that leads to disappointment. EW's patch content and the name from Zidane hints at a Shard-connection, but it's not guaranteed. The proto-language could be a Shard clue or it could be, along with that one suspiciously angled building, a hint that Nine's civilization rediscovered and innovated upon Ancient ruins and technology like the Bentos Ondo did. Or everything there is one-hundred-percent native to North Tural and it looks that advanced because they have an overabundance of lightning aether for electricity and ceruleum and they could progress their technology relatively uninterrupted by most Calamities because Hingashi showed back in SB that the Calamities weren't as intense and civilization resetting the further from Eorzea's epicenter you got. Could be the civilization before Tural's Federation formed or not. Could be a play on Eshter, Cocoon, Bevelle, Zanarkand.... If it is Terra, and the story involves Shard soul immigration, it could be Ardbert and Golbez's goal again. Or, maybe in a reversal, it's people in Tural that were trying to fling their souls onto another Shard.
That the next version of Ishgard Restoration isn't a repeat with Garlemald but more exciting and unexpected by involving the cosmos - did not see coming and makes me as someone that plays DoL/H more than combat jobs very hyped.
Nothing wrong with a little hyper-fixation and rampant speculation on something we know nothing about and have no context for. If someone overcomplicates things or the end result ends up not being what they were so certain it was in their head, that’s their own problem.
For example, if someone theoretically saw the new green Mogstation glam and they were already SO certain that we were going to get green mage because of the clover and be able to play with DoTs again that their hype went through the roof and they bought it ahead of Fan Fest, that would be their own problem. :’)
The ruins below Solution Nine remind me of Nabaath Areng.
Pictomancer, interesting new class. Colorful. (Boo on Yoshi-P for not cosplaying it himself. There's gonna be so many Highlander Hyur / Roegadyn / Hrothgar charas playing it, "nobody wants to see my midriff" is no excuse.)
Anthro cat muscle mommies. Finally, some good [honk]in' food.
Full trailer looks jawsome. Music slaps, as per Soken standards.
Excited to see what's ahead!
The expansion of the map northward was a surprise. Shaaloani's description as being in 'Central Tural' makes much more sense now, given that we can actually see its position in the updated map, whereas it was obscured by clouds when they announced it in the EU Fan Fest. Heritage Found seems to be the intersection point between the two architectural styles, so I wonder if that tower was the 'Secret' that was blurred out in Shaaloani during the last Fan Fest. That also means that the Ceruleum mining operation probably connects back to S9.
The large waterfall rift in the Stardust Sea is also really interesting. It looks as if the land was cut in half there.
While Archadion probably doesn't refer to Arcadia in the pastoral sense (given that we already have a Locus Amoenus), it might be a reference to the term as a sort of Utopia. I have no reason for this, but I was somehow reminded of Sharon Apple from the S9 concept art. I wonder if we'll go there to find that the place is being governed by an AI or something.
I get that there's not something wrong with it, but I can tell it's a perfect storm of my least favorite types of speculation:
- Baseless speculation off the barest pieces of evidence we have,
- Endgame speculation when the game hasn't even started,
- And the sort of speculation that people rapidly forget was even speculation in the first place, and mistake for actual evidence.
That last one's the worst one, because while it's easy to see now, someone who comes in a few months down the track might not even know it's just been a wild guess. Hell, I think it's already happening: I see so many people elsewhere speculating about Altima's sigil in the Arcadeon art (which isn't explicitly related but I think everyone's connected those aesthetic dots) and somehow bigging that up, when... uhm, that doesn't actually look like Altima's sigil.
Speculation is all we have for the next few months, though. They only gave us the barest bits and pieces. It is fun to guess and then see if you are correct. Solution Nine is just more interesting to talk about than a beach vacation with a side plot of political intrigue, or gods help me, taco cat. Dawntrail had been pretty lacklustre in what it had revealed so far, so people just sorta latched on to it. I say let em have their fun.
I'm building all my cobwebs of speculation and hopes and dreams on a strained royal sibling relationship where Princess W.'s Mamoojal brother is aiming for the throne because he doesn't think all of their nation will accept the buck from tradition, even if personally he thinks she'd make a good ruler, and it's patronizing big brother concern, and the third major contestant is their childhood friend, a catboy from North Tural who was always interested in the 2nd Age cyberpunk ruins (Solution Nine has no deep connection to another Shard, Ancients, or Aliens. Tech just got very advanced and transhumanist before the Second Calamity put a kibosh on that) and he's now possessed or in contact with this ethereal ghost girl from deep in Tural's past. A pop concert happens at some point towards the end.
I'm happy and having fun.
I was approaching it from the architectural term for "arcade", meaning "lots of contiguous arches", but from what we see in that concept art there are no (meaningful) arches, so that's probably wrong as well.
I admit I'm kind of reluctant to consider that the meaning might be based on the "gaming machines" meaning of "arcade", because that's a bit too whimsical for me for the eight-man raid.