WoW is adding multiplayer Trusts....

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Originally Posted by raelgun

You will need to iterate more on when you want to.

You can surely list a PF for example Eden 6 savage synced and min ilvl, but good luck finding others that want to do that, thats not active or alive, but you can set it up to do so.

The only synced content that people do is ultimate's and eureka by forced design ( same extent applies to Bojza ).

If you are talking about the roulettes then no, just no.

Doing the easy modes isn't relevant, people only do the roulettes because of the rewards.

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Normal mode, outside of the roulette. Extreme / savage are another story. The "normal" modes are not accessible if it's ancient content in other MMORPG. I don't really see your point though ?

Edit : yeah I definitly should have precise it, thought it was kinda obvious we weren't talking about other difficulties since the trust system was the main focus of the topic.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

This is true for new features but being able to have Trusts fill in for missing roles is something that has been asked for here in XIV since the whole system was first implemented.

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I know it has. But I also have a basic wariness when it comes to NPC AI functioning well. It's come a long ways over time but there's still a lot of improvement needed. NPCs can sometimes make things bad enough you wish they weren't even there.

In the past, WoW dungeons on Normal mode tended to be less punishing that some of the more recent FFXIV dungeons when it came to mechanics. I don't know if that's changed in recent years but if it hasn't, it creates quite a bit of leeway for using less than reliable NPC AI. Personally I'd still like to see tester feedback before going the "WoW did this, you have to do also FFXIV" route. Will WoW players feel that their dungeons are also getting "dumbed down" for the sake of NPC AI?

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

That's really crazy but I can't find where anyone asked, only the OP asking if we could get multiplayer trusts in XIV? Can either one of you help me find where the OP asked you what would bring you back to WoW?

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Classic case of "ew wow" knee jerk reaction, basically.

I actually hope we get a system in both games where trusts can fill in seamlessly for players when queues are low or when you have to kick someone and wanna keep the run going. Because the smart idea is to have a seamless transition between playing alone or with others. WoW doing this is a great step in that direction and I hope this is the beginning of seeing more competition between MMOs again.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Lmao, I can't even see what that guy is saying because I have him blocked. I wonder what he said this time.

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Citizen, he said something about Blizzard employees being incompetent perverts. When you say you've blocked someone do you also have a method of blocking them so you can't see what they say even when other people quote them?




We will rebuild the world.

Personally, I would be strongly opposed - I play an MMO to play with people.

I've got other games to play with NPCs.

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Originally Posted by raelgun

Your post makes no sense, FF14 player base are prolific with sexual harassments between players, the amount of stalking and desperation among this playerbase is pretty bad.

You have issues with the devs at blizzard whom have been dealt with already but you are playing a game where the players are harassing each other, hypocrite much?

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Your post is utter nonsense. I have been playing over 10 years and have NEVER experienced any sexual harassment whatsoever. You will try to blow it up to make your absurd point but you are obviously wrong. Blizzard devs and their harassment and perversion is actually documented. Those people are bottom of the barrel and the scum of the Earth. Nothing you type will change that fact. If you want to support that by all means do so but stop trying to deflect that miserable trash.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

That's really crazy but I can't find where anyone asked, only the OP asking if we could get multiplayer trusts in XIV? Can either one of you help me find where the OP asked you what would bring you back to WoW?

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I don't care if anyone asked. I want people very aware that the company they put on a pedestal and support is repulsive and disgusting. I can type whatever I want on this forum within the ToS.

Sorry for the tangent, but this just made me reflect. The more I think about how able and willing the WoW team seems to be to add or change things to adapt to the evolving nature of their game over the years, and just DOING IT, the more frustrated I get when I look at XIV and how we always seem to get if's, and's, and but's when it comes to some of the most basic sh*t. Small indie company Squeenix just can't muster up the manpower for some things, I guess.

It would be cool to see NPC ai be able to fill holes in the group. Hopefully they might be able to add some RPG / progression elements back to them (like squadrons) and apparently to some extent some of WoW's systems (though it's more delve specific).

Glad to see there were quite a few people who didn't hear the WoW and flipped their noodles lol. It's always wild to watch people dismiss superior systems if you happen to reference WoW in the sentence (just for context I do not claim WoW is wholly superior but if someone said "ehy what do you think about glamour log, or our roleplay inspired gameplay?" I'd go "kind of embarrassing" a statement reversed if you mentioned audio and visual media or story telling / story roleplay).

WoW is making a lot of interesting moves recently and I hope SE can tango in tune, where it makes sense (not every idea can naturally translate, but even when they cant it can inspire or if alternatively diversify). I'm still firmly in the FFXIV camp, but there have been some systems, and more recently (with the appearance of new vigor / Metzen energy) a lot of neat buzz going on.

Wish WoW well, and hope FFXIV will use that to also energize and rise further with their tide. What made WoW great originally is honestly still a pretty fantastic recipe for winning (looking at what is 'good' and then making it even better).

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Originally Posted by Mayhemmer

Sorry for the tangent, but this just made me reflect. The more I think about how able and willing the WoW team seems to be to add or change things to adapt to the evolving nature of their game over the years, and just DOING IT, the more frustrated I get when I look at XIV and how we always seem to get if's, and's, and but's when it comes to some of the most basic sh*t. Small indie company Squeenix just can't muster up the manpower for some things, I guess.

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Im not one to praise Blizzard because they have made a lot of serious Ls even recently but I cant also pretend that their recent Ws dont exist either. Cant be this black and white, but I really like how the current dev team is being more open faced and communicative to the playerbase than FFXIV's devs have been with us.

Most of the time, we dont know what their thinking is with their decisions and its always a guess on their side.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Your post is utter nonsense. I have been playing over 10 years and have NEVER experienced any sexual harassment whatsoever. You will try to blow it up to make your absurd point but you are obviously wrong. Blizzard devs and their harassment and perversion is actually documented. Those people are bottom of the barrel and the scum of the Earth. Nothing you type will change that fact. If you want to support that by all means do so but stop trying to deflect that miserable trash.

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ah this is entertaining.

IT doesnt happen to me so the issue doesn't exist.

Answer me this, does sexual harassment exist between other people in game?

Have you subjected someone to sexual harassment?

Just because it doesnt happen to you directly doesnt meant the issue isnt there

If any one of those is yes, then you are a hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Im not one to praise Blizzard because they have made a lot of serious Ls even recently but I cant also pretend that their recent Ws dont exist either. Cant be this black and white, but I really like how the current dev team is being more open faced and communicative to the playerbase than FFXIV's devs have been with us.

Most of the time, we dont know what their thinking is with their decisions and its always a guess on their side.

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It's almost as if the roles from about 3 years ago have been reversed.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

I don't care if anyone asked. I want people very aware that the company they put on a pedestal and support is repulsive and disgusting. I can type whatever I want on this forum within the ToS.

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You seem obsessed. I'm sorry a game you say you quit 10 years ago is still living rent free in your head and mentally dominating you. Quite sad!

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Citizen, he said something about Blizzard employees being incompetent perverts. When you say you've blocked someone do you also have a method of blocking them so you can't see what they say even when other people quote them?




We will rebuild the world.

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Yeah, I'll DM you in game.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

It's almost as if the roles from about 3 years ago have been reversed.

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lol pretty much this. But honestly Ive looked back on some LLs and I think this was just always the case. Its really that Blizzard's communication stepped up a lot better than FFXIV's which I feel had this same level of quality in terms of feedback

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

It's almost as if the roles from about 3 years ago have been reversed.

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Well the issue here is that Yoshida was never transparent, he was Opaque, an a lot of what he was giving us was honestly just tried and true things that worked. The game is now in a stage where the taste of the player base has changed and whats being offered is not what players want anymore.

Or look at it from this point a view, you eat one flavor of icecream for close to 11-12 years, and a new ones comes out, the old flavor being WoW, Guild Wars, Aion, EvE, Any major older MMO, you're gonna try XIV and really enjoy what you have now. But XIV is in the exact same position now, it's been the flavor for over 10 years. People want something new and exciting, and that is why a lot of people are calling XIV stagnant.

Ion and the team being transparent, or as transparent as they're willing to be is them realizing, "We can't just force feed them, we gotta work with them again".

Where as Yoshida wants a more controlled MMO experience thats for people who come home from JP Salary-person hours and wants to unwind for like 3-4 hours before getting up and repeating said horrid hours for work.

Every time someone makes a mention of WoW in a topic a bunch of weirdos who make Final Fantasy XIV their whole personality come just to say "WoW bad" instead of contributing with the discussion.

Anyway I like the way Trusts work in FFXI more. Which is already nothing like the crappy system XIV implemented. If they could do better they would. I doubt they will make Trusts more flexible.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Every time someone makes a mention of WoW in a topic a bunch of weirdos who make Final Fantasy XIV their whole personality come just to say "WoW bad" instead of contributing with the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Im not one to praise Blizzard because they have made a lot of serious Ls even recently but I cant also pretend that their recent Ws dont exist either. Cant be this black and white, but I really like how the current dev team is being more open faced and communicative to the playerbase than FFXIV's devs have been with us.

Most of the time, we dont know what their thinking is with their decisions and its always a guess on their side.

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Definitely- they have talked to their playerbase more than ours, like in general / in the past, but it would usually be superficial and not too important if it happened or not (nice but like 'okay, you are confirming to my face I'm screaming into the void.. thanks I guess'), but now it was not only will we talk back but it's going to actually be important to us, and we want you to know that we want you to be able to play the game the way you want to play it, and not how we think you should, your time is valuable, and we want you to have fun.

This is like disenfranchised gamer cocaine. I'm not a regular of wow because I just prefer FFXIV but even I was hyped for WoW and it tempted me enough to play the trial.

Which are still just words but then you look at their road map and.. well it looks like actual actions too. Why WoW didn't do this until now, I don't know, but genuinely had my Warcraft 3 nostalgia days of blizzard perked up rather than my ' oh my God what did Activision Blizzard do now to the game, or to their employees...?'

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Anyway I like the way Trusts work in FFXI more. Which is already nothing like the crappy system XIV implemented. If they could do better they would. I doubt they will make Trusts more flexible.

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I havent played FFXI, but I have no faith in Trusts (ironic isnt it?) or FFXIV having AI good enough for anything other than "go here to avoid getting hit" more or less. I've heard its also why they've gone back to revamp older dungeon encounters such as Brayflox Longstop's final boss so that the AI is only tasked with dodging AoEs rather than something more unique like pulling the dragon out of its poison puddle.

I think a good example of the AI in FFXIV actually being kinda bad is trying to use the trust for Hydaelyn, where your 7 AI companions already know where they are going to stand for a AoE placed on them and it is up to YOU to find the spot they left for you, rather than just moving out of the way of where you are. The attack in a normal group is to spread from each other, while with the NPCs it is to run away from where ever they are going. I remember plenty of time Urianger "chasing" me and blowing me up during that trial. Also to mention, if for whatever reason the NPCs are in a bad spot, they will run through damaging AoEs like the light waves, rather than going around them.

Its a different topic, but I think FFXIV's Trust system contributes to the shallow mechanics in FFXIV, especially for dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

That's really crazy but I can't find where anyone asked, only the OP asking if we could get multiplayer trusts in XIV? Can either one of you help me find where the OP asked you what would bring you back to WoW?

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The OP did not, in fact, ask what would bring me back to WoW. I gave my opinion on trusts in WoW. I am free to embellish my comment with personal anecdotes and opinions as I see fit, just like pretty much every thread created on every subject, ever.

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Originally Posted by Tahbitha

The OP did not, in fact, ask what would bring me back to WoW. I gave my opinion on trusts in WoW. I am free to embellish my comment with personal anecdotes and opinions as I see fit, just like pretty much every thread created on every subject, ever.

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Oh, so it's just the 40 year old narcissism that makes you go into threads and opine about things nobody asked about, got it!

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Originally Posted by strawberrycake

Or look at it from this point a view, you eat one flavor of icecream for close to 11-12 years, and a new ones comes out, the old flavor being WoW, Guild Wars, Aion, EvE, Any major older MMO, you're gonna try XIV and really enjoy what you have now. But XIV is in the exact same position now, it's been the flavor for over 10 years. People want something new and exciting, and that is why a lot of people are calling XIV stagnant.

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I'd take that comparison even further, let's say XIV is good old vanilla in this case. You've been eating the good natural vanilla icecream for 6 years, but then they started slowly replacing the natural vanilla with artificial flavouring.
Now it's completely artificial vanilla so it's still "the same" but it tastes worse and the delivery takes 1.5x as long.

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Originally Posted by KenZentra

I havent played FFXI, but I have no faith in Trusts (ironic isnt it?) or FFXIV having AI good enough for anything other than "go here to avoid getting hit" more or less. I've heard its also why they've gone back to revamp older dungeon encounters such as Brayflox Longstop's final boss so that the AI is only tasked with dodging AoEs rather than something more unique like pulling the dragon out of its poison puddle.

I think a good example of the AI in FFXIV actually being kinda bad is trying to use the trust for Hydaelyn, where your 7 AI companions already know where they are going to stand for a AoE placed on them and it is up to YOU to find the spot they left for you, rather than just moving out of the way of where you are. The attack in a normal group is to spread from each other, while with the NPCs it is to run away from where ever they are going. I remember plenty of time Urianger "chasing" me and blowing me up during that trial. Also to mention, if for whatever reason the NPCs are in a bad spot, they will run through damaging AoEs like the light waves, rather than going around them.

Its a different topic, but I think FFXIV's Trust system contributes to the shallow mechanics in FFXIV, especially for dungeons.

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Certainly feels like that. I'm convinced at this point that the trust ai can't do anything more complex than "go there" and "attack thing", and only ever one of them at a time. They can't interact with the environment, like picking up the powder in old Copperhell or pulling a lever, navigate terrain that isn't a flat path, etc.
So all of those "inconveniences" that would make dungeon design more interesting and varied had to go.

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Originally Posted by KenZentra

I havent played FFXI, but I have no faith in Trusts (ironic isnt it?) or FFXIV having AI good enough for anything other than "go here to avoid getting hit" more or less. I've heard its also why they've gone back to revamp older dungeon encounters such as Brayflox Longstop's final boss so that the AI is only tasked with dodging AoEs rather than something more unique like pulling the dragon out of its poison puddle.

I think a good example of the AI in FFXIV actually being kinda bad is trying to use the trust for Hydaelyn, where your 7 AI companions already know where they are going to stand for a AoE placed on them and it is up to YOU to find the spot they left for you, rather than just moving out of the way of where you are. The attack in a normal group is to spread from each other, while with the NPCs it is to run away from where ever they are going. I remember plenty of time Urianger "chasing" me and blowing me up during that trial. Also to mention, if for whatever reason the NPCs are in a bad spot, they will run through damaging AoEs like the light waves, rather than going around them.

Its a different topic, but I think FFXIV's Trust system contributes to the shallow mechanics in FFXIV, especially for dungeons.

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Trusts in FFXI are pretty basic and just attack what you attack, they don't do any dodging or positioning. Basically like the chocobo companion in XIV.

I think they've said Trusts in FFXIV are just scripted alongside the fight, I'm pretty sure all the movement is baked in and not any sort of actual AI looking at the fight and deciding what to do.