Dancer 7.0 Wishlist

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

May the server ticks be ever in your favor. ಥ◡ಥ

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tl;dr: A way to add a DDR (Dance Dance Revolution ) mechanic to Dancer.

...Valid. How's this then... Let them gain access to the flourishing abilities right at the start. Any 4 button order of these abilities increases combo potency. Display like 4 steps in advance, 4 second input window for the current step. Pause it when using standard or technical step or improvisation. Flat % chance to proc fan dance on the all correct hits, 100% chance to proc on every 8th hit.

Allow people to make and share their own choreographed order of abilities (no simple repetitions allowed). That way they can do synchronization.

And let there be an endless combo counter for the looping sequence of that choreo. Let the proc chance for fan dance scale with different tiers of the combo count. Make it reset if you mess up.

At high tiers of combo, let a free fan dance periodically appear at half steps in the choreo.

Thematically, dancers enter a flow state through constant motion. I think constant motion, constant weaving, would be important.

Also out of pure selfishness, if two dancers pick each other for closed position, let them give each other fan dance procs.

I... didn't understand anything :c

Phoenix Dance
A combat res on a 60 second CD.
DNC is big on support, so we might as well complete the package

Solo Performance
Alternative to Closed Position. Gives you a buff that lets you double dip on the Standard Step buff and increases your Esprit generation, but adds overall less DPS than putting Closed Position on another human player.
Basically just a QOL tool for when you're out and about on your own, soloing older content or doing stuff with Trusts.

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Originally Posted by Big-Isaac

Phoenix Dance
A combat res on a 60 second CD.
DNC is big on support, so we might as well complete the package

Solo Performance
Alternative to Closed Position. Gives you a buff that lets you double dip on the Standard Step buff and increases your Esprit generation, but adds overall less DPS than putting Closed Position on another human player.
Basically just a QOL tool for when you're out and about on your own, soloing older content or doing stuff with Trusts.

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I'm not sure if they'll ever add a usable rez to another non healer... but the idea of a Phoenix Dance to rez is interesting.

I thought about a similar thing a bit ago, but the res would be to your Dance Partner without Brink of Death. If they're alive, then the effect is a mild heal + cleanse of Brink of Death. 3min recast time.

This way, there's a res utility, and while the effect benefits the group as a whole, it's for the Dancer's best interest because it puts their partner (source of their dps contribution) back on track. And a big recast time on that ensures that the action becomes a very situational utility rather than a staple (with likely a personal dps tax) like RDM's.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

At the same time, it feels weird getting 'too lucky' in the burst windows because you may even leave with a Fan Dance or Saber Dance that didn't fit.

In fact, again I think about the question: What they can even get in Dawntrail with the burst slots already overwhelmed? It's safe to assume that every job is due to get at least one "new toy", and as it is it only leaves space for some niche super good utility like happened with SCH and expedient.

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Yeah, with a bit of luck the burst windows is already filled with constant Sabre Dances. Any GCD ability for the burst windows added in DT has to be significantly stronger than Sabre Dance, and it would still feel bad have max Esprit and not use it. That doesn't happen every burst window of course. The perks of making everything RNG, even Esprit gains.

And considering RNG. Isn't chance based effects usually a reason to make things stronger? Like crits add more overall damage than determination, because crits are chance based. And DNC (and BRD) is just one RNG after another. Where is the compensation for that?

Gameplay wise, IMO the job could use something to spice things up between burst windows. It's pretty nuts, seeing the difference between the relatively calm "standard" rotation vs. the mad "SPAM ALL THE THINGS" during Technical Step.
The main culprit of that, I'd say, is Feathers. Outside of burst you only really get to press Fan Dance when you're capped, which IMO is lame, especially when RNGsus just won't give you any procs. The EW changes did a good job making the burst window more consistent, so I hope they can do SOMETHING in DT to let us use feathers more often outside of burst.

I'm mostly content with DNC, so I daresay I'm neutral if it gets some changes or just stays as is, but the only thing I dislike about it is Improvisation, or rather, how awfully long it takes for the rising rhythm buff to charge. I have never gotten all 4 stacks. Either speed up the charges to every 1-2 secs instead of 3, or (preferably) make it a 4 step dance like TS.

Also, nothing to do with gameplay but I'm praying to the Twelve the DNC job gear has the male version be as skimpy as the female version. Either be shirtless with nothing but a shoulder sash, or have a little vest instead of the tube top /cross fingers

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Also, nothing to do with gameplay but I'm praying to the Twelve the DNC job gear has the male version be as skimpy as the female version. Either be shirtless with nothing but a shoulder sash, or have a little vest instead of the tube top /cross fingers

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I'm always in need of more big boy belly gear. If I can have a fantasy Roe/Hroth chest for sure I wanna have fun and show it off.

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

I feel like Closed Position is... kinda boring, to be quite honest.

I think that if the idea is that this is someone you're choosing as a dance partner, it doesn't do a whole lot in terms of expressing that idea. Yes, functionally it's all there. Share X, Y, and Z skill benefit with the dance partner... but like... that's it. That said, I don't really know how to approach any potential, flavorful changes to it. How exactly do you convey the idea that a dancer is dancing with a reaper? lol

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My idea for creating a more "dance"-like feeling with your partner: use something like duty actions where whenever you do a Standard Step with them, they get a context-sensitive button to press that glows, sort of like a third duty action button just for dancer interactions. Just one confirmation press (like a high-five, not too in the way of their own rotations) at the end of their Step for a finishing bit of damage or mini buff like an astrologian card.

Also, who better to pair a dancer with, than with another dancer? Two experts making the most of each other's skill, rather than one expert and one clumsy amateur... Two dancers paired with each other should make them equivalent to samurai DPS. This is counterbalanced by two exact ranged physical DPSs getting in the way of getting the party job variety buff. Also, the 2 dancers could share their pool of feathers, or raise the cap to 8.

One thing i never really understood was Why doesn't our dance partner give us any buffs, Every class in the game has a personal buff surely we should gain access to it as well. If I'm giving you 5% you better give something back partner.
Cure waltz should have the regen from improv, scrap the improv ability its point less to dance a regen and a smallest little shield. Standard step should refresh fan dance 4 as well giving a more use out of it.
Devilment and Starfall on the same button with the animation delay gone (real mains will notice this)
Esprit should charge from our feathers being used as well.
Keep the Rng values the same you are a support class not a dps if you want to do big numbers go play >MCH

first this whole i need to Dance partner the SAM or RPR due to high dps needs to go, We are a support not a ideal to make one person a shiny star because you didn't get your kaiton back
Some ideas as dance partner could work.
DP- a Tank gives them 5% damage mit and you
DP- a Healer gives them 5% increase in healing.
DP- a caster for MP regen or a decrease in cast times (idk how this would work for BLM)
DP- a melee decreased time in GCD's


just some ideas and a opinion but i agree with some people here
it's a RNG class to not have a boring i hit 1.2.3 combo for a reason the RNG makes each instance/fight different.

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Originally Posted by SerephinaBlossom

One thing i never really understood was Why doesn't our dance partner give us any buffs, Every class in the game has a personal buff surely we should gain access to it as well. If I'm giving you 5% you better give something back partner.
Cure waltz should have the regen from improv, scrap the improv ability its point less to dance a regen and a smallest little shield. Standard step should refresh fan dance 4 as well giving a more use out of it.
Devilment and Starfall on the same button with the animation delay gone (real mains will notice this)
Esprit should charge from our feathers being used as well.
Keep the Rng values the same you are a support class not a dps if you want to do big numbers go play >MCH

first this whole i need to Dance partner the SAM or RPR due to high dps needs to go, We are a support not a ideal to make one person a shiny star because you didn't get your kaiton back
Some ideas as dance partner could work.
DP- a Tank gives them 5% damage mit and you
DP- a Healer gives them 5% increase in healing.
DP- a caster for MP regen or a decrease in cast times (idk how this would work for BLM)
DP- a melee decreased time in GCD's


just some ideas and a opinion but i agree with some people here
it's a RNG class to not have a boring i hit 1.2.3 combo for a reason the RNG makes each instance/fight different.

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The idea of giving role based buffs is good, maybe something extra on top of the flat dps increase...

And while I love the idea of a haste buff, it simply will trigger some min-maxers, because reducing GCD while DPing a melee is the same problem of the old AST's Spire (or was Arrow? I forgot) - you will mis-align from the 2min meta. While that wasn't such a glaring issue back when the card had that effect, nowadays it would be more problematic.

Idk why some people think that the 2 min meta is 'fine'. The cons - more freedom to design job gameplay included - weight much more than the pros, but I suppose this makes the developers' work easier.