Dawntrail hype in a nutshell

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Graha is more over rated than even Y'shtola is
*sip tea*

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He gets the privilege of being a cat boy. Make him a Roe or a Lala and you'll see how he loses celebrity status.

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Originally Posted by AlucaDragonheart

Be prepared for Y'shtola to magically know everything about Tural and it's surroundings despite never knowing anything about it before, because why should the player discover all this when the community's waifu can just explain it to us like our WoL's are idiots?

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What I'm unfortunately prepared for is more of having too many conflicts in the story where the group is at a low, and having one npc walk in and provide a convenient macguffin that instantly solves the problem, with absolutely zero input from the player. See: the literal first cutscene in patch 6.5 MSQ. It makes me genuinely upset when it happens.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Estinien buying a banana for 30,000 gil

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He better hope Tataru doesn't find out about that...

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Graha is more over rated than even Y'shtola is
*sip tea*

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G'raha should have died in shadowbringers.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

G'raha should have died in shadowbringers.

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Even if he had he’d probably still find a way to show up for Endwalker lol

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Originally Posted by Mayhemmer

What I'm unfortunately prepared for is more of having too many conflicts in the story where the group is at a low, and having one npc walk in and provide a convenient macguffin that instantly solves the problem, with absolutely zero input from the player. See: the literal first cutscene in patch 6.5 MSQ. It makes me genuinely upset when it happens.

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That seemed a lot more reasonable to me than Urianger showing up out of nowhere in the Lochs to hand us the "disable Fordola's Echo" rod or Hydaelyn conveniently granting us the power to revive everyone in UT before anyone (including her) could have known there would be such a need.

I'm glad we're not a complete Mary Sue with the answers to every problem and that our companions make important contributions independent of us. It only comes across poorly when we get a sudden solution to a problem we didn't know we were going to have.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

G'raha should have died in shadowbringers.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Connor

Even if he had he’d probably still find a way to show up for Endwalker lol

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To do what, though? 99% of G'raha's usefulness was given to us when the soul vessels for the Scions were made. I can't think of anything he did in Endwalker that couldn't have been done by one of the other Scions. UT felt weird, as if each section was planned out then all of a sudden it was "oops, we have one more Scion than we need, what to do?"

Alphinaud is my favorite Scion. Watching his character arc has been one of the few things I've enjoyed about this storyline. He begins as this insufferable pompous brat and gets humbled, hard, and then grows from there into a capable leader. That was in 5.3. Since then, the writers have kind of gone in a weird loop with him where he's back to doubting himself and kind of just along for the ride. As someone who loves this character, I no longer think he serves a purpose and it sucks to watch him just blunder along. It's clear that the writers are just keeping him around because they're afraid of making the fans mad if he goes away. With that being said, I will die on this hill: When Zenos bodysnatched the WoL in Endwalker, instead of floundering around evilly and getting exposed in 2 seconds by everyone with a functioning brain, he should have stealthily approached the Scions in our body, and then impaled Alphinaud while our character pitifully crawled back to camp in the body of a wounded soldier. It would've been tragic as hell. A young life with so much potential, snuffed out in an instant by a villain whose only motivation was to get us aggro'd enough to finally pay attention to him and fight him to the death. In the aftermath, the team has to deal with trusting the WoL again; even though they know he was bodysnatched, it's still hard for them to come to terms with what they just saw and move past it. Meanwhile, Alisaie actually gets room to breathe because her twin isn't hogging all the air, and she has to become her own person while also coping with tragedy. You meet the twins' parents and it's awkward and dark, and maybe their mother slaps you in a moment of grief and the whole deliveries questline is centered around rebuilding trust and helping each other through your shared grief. And after the group gathers their resolve and pushes forward, the group's one liners about overcoming despair in the final battle against Endsinger carry far more resonance and weight because the expansion centered around overcoming a heavy loss. But it was clear that the writers wanted us to kind of like Zenos, so even though he was an unquestionable villain, he couldn't be too bad, and he couldn't kill anyone who actually mattered, and god forbid anyone important suffer even a serious injury, because XIV fans can hardly handle criticism about the game; if their favorite character dies, they might melt down, fly to SE HQ and commit a crime.

I don't think the writers have had the balls to do away with anyone important in years. It speaks volumes that anytime they need to flashback to a sad moment, it's way the hell back in heavensward or something. And no, before someone jumps in to suggest it, I don't think the only way to create meaning in a story is by killing off characters. There are lots of missed opportunities in this game. Another moment was when Krile got kidnapped in stormblood, and they hooked her up to that mindf**k machine that pumps her full of horrifying Echo memories or whatever. She's in that thing for god knows how long, basically having endless hyper-realistic night terrors, and when you finally get her out... she's just fine! Nothing to unpack there at all. Imagine if she'd actually undergone serious trauma, and then, idk, actually talked about it and had to work through it. Maybe then she wouldn't be the most boring character in the team. idk! Maybe stop being afraid to let people actually suffer and overcome genuine hardships in your stories. Christ. Every other FF game is fine with letting people die, with letting characters suffer and overcome real challenges and come out stronger for it, but only in XIV are the writers so scared of pissing off the fans that they just give us the same flat ass story over and over again where in the end everyone's fine and nothing changes and maybe at worst, yshtola "Dies" but comes back to life 2.3 minutes later before a fanboy can get mad enough to write death threats to Square. It's like a Saturday morning cartoon at this point, and when Graha gave that goofy grin and bit the taco I could tell DT was gonna be more of the same. Actual Disney-VHS-sequel vibes.

btw the stuff I said about alphi could apply to pretty much any scion at this point. The squad's had a great long run and their arcs concluded really well. It's just dragging at this point.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

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He’d eat a highly detailed food item, of course. Character development? He can’t eat that I’m afraid

/s lol

I cant wait for the 8.0 trailer where we get to watch G'raha Tia eat pizza.

Yes 8.0 is going to be in XIV Italy.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Agreed.


To do what, though? 99% of G'raha's usefulness was given to us when the soul vessels for the Scions were made. I can't think of anything he did in Endwalker that couldn't have been done by one of the other Scions. UT felt weird, as if each section was planned out then all of a sudden it was "oops, we have one more Scion than we need, what to do?"

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The only useful thing I can think of that Graha did in EW was when he learned the levitate spell.

I agree though. And that's not even including the fact his personality from SHB to EW is entirely different. He may as well be another character.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Yes 8.0 is going to be in XIV Italy.

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I mean, isn't that what the Void is?

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Lmao, I can't believe I missed this. Well done, Lieutenant.

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I appreciate your feedback, citizen. I will continue to make memes in the future.

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Originally Posted by Aldath

He gets the privilege of being a cat boy. Make him a Roe or a Lala and you'll see how he loses celebrity status.

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Nonsense, citizen. Roes have an inherent charisma bonus. Lalafells on the other hand, are an enemy of the state.




The dark times will pass.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

I appreciate your feedback, citizen. I will continue to make memes in the future.

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Just doing my part. I understand service guarantees citizenship.

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Nonsense, citizen. Roes have an inherent charisma bonus. Lalafells on the other hand, are an enemy of the state.

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In your dreams maybe. Who wants a failed giant when you can pet a cute lala?

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Yes 8.0 is going to be in XIV Italy.

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Mama Mia!

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

The most important question though. Will we, the godkiller, the all-powerful warrior of light, be useless in every cutscene again? Will we be standing there like a doofus while the villain monologues before we let them slowly walk away?

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Asura's Wrath had this awesome "Shut Up" button you could hit during those cutscenes to punch the villain or enemy in the face and immediately end the monologue lol.

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Originally Posted by Connor

Even if he had he’d probably still find a way to show up for Endwalker lol

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wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff... they would find a reason

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Originally Posted by Mayhemmer

What I'm unfortunately prepared for is more of having too many conflicts in the story where the group is at a low, and having one npc walk in and provide a convenient macguffin that instantly solves the problem, with absolutely zero input from the player. See: the literal first cutscene in patch 6.5 MSQ. It makes me genuinely upset when it happens.

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Seeing it already: "Oh no! The great big McEvil Guy has changed time, space, the amount of dimensions and increased the sub costs! We will all shatter into nothing!" 5 Minutes later: Y'shtola: "So there is this book i found that no one ever bothered to read..." *proceeds to explain how we can use Aether and Dynamis to do exactly what we want without drawbacks but tells us it's dangerous somehow* -- Kills all tension everytime it happens

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

Just doing my part. I understand service guarantees citizenship.

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Thank you for your service, citizen.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

In your dreams maybe. Who wants a failed giant when you can pet a cute lala?

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Moving... eloquent... passionate. But it doesn't change the fact that the Lalafells have brought destruction upon us.

Barely able to build hype when you run the same formula for the xth time. We all know what we're getting, we all know what we're paying for. It's barely something new.
It's still the best running MMO on the market (imo), no argue there. But would be nice if at least dungeons and primals wouldnt be MSQ related, so we do not end up in situations like.... "oh, new update, lets login > start quest > lots of text > your first story dungeon > lots of text > your first normal story primal > lots of text > ok, we need to retreat lets wait for next patch".

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Originally Posted by WeebPolice

Moving... eloquent... passionate. But it doesn't change the fact that the Lalafells have brought destruction upon us.

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The infamous WPD recruitment shout spam. I see you guys parked in Limsa Lominsa on Sarg right now, lmao.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

Barely able to build hype when you run the same formula for the xth time. We all know what we're getting, we all know what we're paying for. It's barely something new.
It's still the best running MMO on the market (imo), no argue there. But would be nice if at least dungeons and primals wouldnt be MSQ related, so we do not end up in situations like.... "oh, new update, lets login > start quest > lots of text > your first story dungeon > lots of text > your first normal story primal > lots of text > ok, we need to retreat lets wait for next patch".

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Without the occasional dungeon or trial, the MSQ would just be a movie.
They really need to add some type of gameplay through it to make it more interesting to play.
Like add in kill quests or gathering quests or something to cut up the movie.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

The infamous WPD recruitment shout spam. I see you guys parked in Limsa Lominsa on Sarg right now, lmao.

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We go where we are needed, citizen, and we have many WPD troopers deployed across many different worlds. We always answer the call.




We serve so others do not have to.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I'm glad we're not a complete Mary Sue with the answers to every problem and that our companions make important contributions independent of us. It only comes across poorly when we get a sudden solution to a problem we didn't know we were going to have.

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I don't even care if companions have answers to questions, I just want new ones that would make sense to know answers about Tural since they have lived there for their entire lives. I just want SE to give me a new cast that they can build on and let the WoL build new relationships with instead of reusing the same characters who have been fleshed out and have run to conclusion for most of their development. That's kind of why I am wanting Erenville, Krille, and (potentially) Femhroth as our team for Tural and let the rest of the Scions do their own thing there as our rival group.

Another solution is instead of us having answers immediately available through our well-read companions, we just don't know the answers until we learn more through the story and we can come to the answer ourselves through developing our own knowledge about what is going on.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

I don't even care if companions have answers to questions, I just want new ones that would make sense to know answers about Tural since they have lived there for their entire lives. I just want SE to give me a new cast that they can build on and let the WoL build new relationships with instead of reusing the same characters who have been fleshed out and have run to conclusion for most of their development. That's kind of why I am wanting Erenville, Krille, and (potentially) Femhroth as our team for Tural and let the rest of the Scions do their own thing there as our rival group.

Another solution is instead of us having answers immediately available through our well-read companions, we just don't know the answers until we learn more through the story and we can come to the answer ourselves through developing our own knowledge about what is going on.

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We get an 8ft tall 500lb gigachad qiqirn named Testosteroon... :P

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Originally Posted by Amenara

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I would love this. I'm very ok with being in "Team B" for a while, and to have new faces that are going to stick around for longer than 1 or 1.5 expansions. Having Varshahn stick around for the Void arc was nice, but I have a feeling we won't be seeing much, or any, of him in Dawntrail.

And though this is a personal take, I'm a bit sick of so many characters now written being so well-spoken, eloquent, and especially quippy. Some of them less so than others, but plenty of established characters now are so "in their final state" that it's become suffocating to me. I'm aware these aren't character flaws, and to suddenly change them would feel off, but I would still like a break from some of them and see new ones with interesting personalities.

EDIT: I just realized what it was I was trying to put into words. It's that I want to get away from the cast of scholarly types. I like Krile because she isn't quippy, and I like Erenville because he's just some guy. I hope they aren't just shoved into the back of the group in DT.