Savage Clear Rates Of Japan, North America And Europe: A Cultural Difference

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

Honestly, troll post and all aside, the biggest thing besides my lower end performance keeping me from trying savage is having to join "SuPeR LeEt RaIdErZ" discord server to voice chat to join a group. That and some of these groups have crazy demands on people's time, my FC put together what it called a casual raid group and it was about 4 hours a week of practice before the 6 hour raiding session on the weekend. that's a pretty big part of a Saturday that I may not want to commit to clearing a raid every week.

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10 hours a week is casual??? sounds more midcore based on time.

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Originally Posted by Mcg55ss

10 hours a week is casual??? sounds more midcore based on time.

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No, 9 hours is what a casual group has to pull to even get through some of these fights right now. They have so many mechanics where if one person wipes the group does, that the extra hours are needed in order to get past those parts and to the points of progression the group is on. If even one person has an issue in p10s or p12s p1 it isn't going to matter how close they are to clearing those fights.

In eden tier it was doable to do something like 6 hours and still clear. It is absolutely boring and a pain in the butt, but it was doable. Even people who started a bit late on e8s were able to clear it before the final tier hit.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

It's more about the time sink of it, even the casual group that was described in this thread admitted to 8 hours a week of just raiding practice and runs. That is not including the mandatory videos you have to watch and other min maxing you have to commit to outside of these hours. If it was 4 or so hours a week over a few days sure, and no I don't mind watching a strategy video or two to prepare, but I am not going to watch 4 or 5 of them and spend hours on a training dummy nor am I spending anymore actual money on a VPN or other software to make sure my ping is as minimal as possible to quad weave or whatever the top 99% are doing now.

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When my casual static started up back in June, most of us had crafted 640 gear to start with or NM items. Some like myself are crafters so I pentamelded but some others just melded the necessary 2 spots. We got tome pieces as they became available and drops. Most of us watch the video a time or two so we know what to do but we often have to go back to it anyway during raid and discuss where to go and what to do as we get to and through each prog point. We don't worry too much about dps until we see enrage. We focus on learning the mechanics and then figure out where our rotations can be adjusted to push out that little bit we need to clear. I don't think the static you're describing was really casual.

Remember the days when you could just PUG EX and Savage and have a decent chance of actually clearing the content?

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

Usually they want you to min max with gear, spending lots of Gil on crafted pieces before you can get the raiding pieces or tome pieces, there is also making sure you can slide cast well enough and that you can get the right amount of oGCDs weaved to make sure you're hitting top ranks in the DPS charts.

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Min maxing gear makes sense, crafted isn't expensive and at least in my groups over the years, we've just crafted it up for each other anyway. Pool together what you can get at the start of the tier with tomes and such and full sets cost next to nothing with a bit of teamwork. Materia is a complete non event at this point. Remember to pull it from your old set etc and you'll have more than you know what to do with.

As someone who raided with multiple world progression FCs and teams over the years, the only time I've ever spent hours on a training dummy was back in the tail end of ARR pre HW figuring out how to Embrace spam without macros. If a casual group is requiring you to hit purple parses then A) There's other issues with that group and B) That's wildly unrealistic expectations for a casual team.

As for watching videos, pro tip for that one, start prog before they are released, then you don't have to watch them ;)

you dont need 9h a week to clear savage. yeah sure you wont be able to do it week one ore two. it will take way longer, but who cares anyway? if you dont do ultimates on realease the gear is pretty pointless. at some point you will still get the clear.
the only thing i need the savage gear for is the next raid tier