What makes a good Job mechanically?

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

For you maybe. I didn't find the infographic to really explain it well. Maybe because it constantly mentions brotherhood but never shows where brotherhood is used. I'm missing a reference point there that I need to understand it.


Some people count gcds mid fight I guess. I don't have the capacity to do that while dealing with the rotation itself and mechanics.

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Honestly, The Balance Discord way overcomplicates it. A long time ago I made a simpler infographic that the author used for their guide, but they changed around the text so that it no longer makes sense, and I can only imagine how much more confusion that adds to people wanting to learn the job.

But anyway, Brotherhood is used on CD after the opener. MNK's burst is anchored around Riddle of Fire, so no need to think too much about where you use Brotherhood; just use it as soon as it's available. No need to count GCDs either; all you need to know is which burst window to use based on where Riddle of Fire comes off CD. I recently made this image for my friend, and they got the hang of it the very next day. Maybe this will make more sense:

https://i.imgur.com/9TGe7go.png

This only has two burst windows for simplicity. I argue that the RoF+BH2 window from The Balance guide shouldn't exist because 1) its DPS gains are questionable; it carries the risk of using Rising Phoenix outside of Brotherhood & other 2 minute buffs and 2) it way overcomplicates things for no good reason. It's possible to parse 99s following the guidelines in this image.

tl;dr - MNK is hard because The Balance guide explains it in a really confusing way. I love The Balance and what they do for the community, but at the end of the day, they're a group focused on high-end optimization, so their explanations aren't always going to be beginner friendly.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

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You know, as per my norms, I am 100% glad a Job like that is in this game for people that just that sort of thing.

...but holy hell am I glad that not every Job is anything like that. XD If you'll excuse me, I need to go re-iron my smooth monkey brain after reading that...

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It's seriously not hard. It largely boils down to "use Lunar (first) when able; else Solar", and just doing whatever makes sense during Solar GCDs.

Which becomes clear after just trying out Monk on a testing dummy a few times.

The same things that let/make it "drift" (at BiS GCD speeds) are also what leave it intuitive: you can swap out what you will, so long as your PBs have AllSamex3 (ideally, AllOpo, as anything else is a huge waste) or AllDifferentx3.

The moves I pointed out before aren't something that needs to be memorized; they're just what happens to occur at high GCD speeds, again allowing for a consistent per 2min loop.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Which becomes clear after just trying out Monk on a testing dummy a few times.

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Not an insult, just a question:

Are you one of those people who can sit down with a musical instrument, play a song once, then never have to reference sheet music again? Or even not have to in the first place?

Because there are some Human beings with incredible minds that can do insane things...and then there's everyone else. I'm wondering if perhaps you're more on the savant side of things.

Because I've played around with MNK on target dummies. The 21 step basic rotation I get just fine. Soon as the Nadis were added, "I need an adult" started playing in my head. Then I started reading about stuff like the double solar opener and your "It's easy" optimal drift and...

...yeah, no it didn't become clear.
At all.

Still isn't.

But I'm fine not touching MNK, so I accept that. There are other Jobs in the game I can enjoy playing instead. :)

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Not an insult, just a question:

Are you one of those people who can sit down with a musical instrument, play a song once, then never have to reference sheet music again? Or even not have to in the first place?

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The heck are you on about?

Again, it has nothing to do with intuition. Get on the striking dummy. Hit your GCDs each time they refresh. See where RoF lands at GCD speed A. See where it lands at GCD speed B. That's it. That's all I pointed out.

Solar being 1 of each form is literally written on the damned tooltip.
Lunar being 3 of the same form is literally written on the damned tooltip.
The potencies of each skill are written on their tooltips, and multiplying by 1.5 for the rough value of a guaranteed crit is not hard.

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Because there are some Human beings with incredible minds that can do insane things...and then there's everyone else.

Soon as the Nadis were added, "I need an adult" started playing in my head.

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Stressing out over "use same form 3 times" isn't a thing of "incredible minds", but neither is it "everyone else". These are already simple mechanics.