Patch 6.5 patch notes

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Your main job can hit levels far above where you can reasonably attain gear for said jobs while progressing the MSQ

If you are doing the HW MSQ and you are playing a BLM who’s at level 82 where are you going to get ilvl 430 gear except off the market board for likely more money than you probably have

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They also can't do 5/6/7/8 roulettes, expert or 90 roulettes even though they might be max or an appropriate level. Duty Roulettes are not solely for the purpose of levelling other jobs but to help fill in the roster for players completing these things for the first time by incentivizing other players to run them again. It is also a tool for gathering tomes when you are max level and have completed MSQ.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

They also can't do 5/6/7/8 roulettes, expert or 90 roulettes even though they might be max or an appropriate level.

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This argument doesn't make sense. They can't run expert or 90 roulettes because they don't have the CONTENT in that roulette. They COULD run 5/6/7/8 roulette, because they have some of the content in it unlocked, and would be put into a dungeon from the ones they have unlocked.

The new alliance roulette system looks like it will prevent them from doing a roulette containing content they have unlocked because... they levelled up too much? That's completely ridiculous, and expecting them to buy crafted gear good enough for content they don't have access to is also crazy. Unless it also checks your MSQ process then it's an imperfect solution that creates a very obvious problem for a lot of players.

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Originally Posted by DaichiSilurus

This argument doesn't make sense. They can't run expert or 90 roulettes because they don't have the CONTENT in that roulette. They COULD run 5/6/7/8 roulette, because they have some of the content in it unlocked, and would be put into a dungeon from the ones they have unlocked.

The new alliance roulette system looks like it will prevent them from doing a roulette containing content they have unlocked because... they levelled up too much? That's completely ridiculous, and expecting them to buy crafted gear good enough for content they don't have access to is also crazy. Unless it also checks your MSQ process then it's an imperfect solution that creates a very obvious problem for a lot of players.

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Getting upset before we know how it works is dumb. It's 99% likely it'll work the same way 50/60/70/80 does, just with the added caveat of requiring the min ilvl of the highest unlocked raid you have.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

There is no reason to swap off your main during the MSQ till said main reaches the level cap

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On the contrary, there is no reason to keep levelling your single job far beyond MSQ level unless you plan to never play a second job.

The alleged better armoury bonus is a myth (you simply get the same bonus rate for any job below your highest), and the only other potential benefit would be earning endgame tomes from roulettes and Khloe, but even that is only going to give value for a few weeks before you have a full wallet of tomes and nothing to spend it on until you reach endgame to unlock the vendor.

Additionally, quests and dungeons give a good chunk of EXP if you're doing them close to your job level, but relatively worthless if you're far overlevelled.

It's a much better idea to get a second class started and run roulettes with that.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Getting upset before we know how it works is dumb. It's 99% likely it'll work the same way 50/60/70/80 does, just with the added caveat of requiring the min ilvl of the highest unlocked raid you have.

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All we have to go off is what it says in the patch notes - "Item level restrictions based on class or job level at the time of duty registration will now be applied for Duty Roulette: Alliance Raids." and a list of level ranges and their associated minimum item level.

It would be lovely if it did only take into account ranges which apply to the raids you have unlocked, but there's nothing in the patch notes suggesting that, so I don't think it's a safe assumption. If it was based on a minimum ilvl for roulettes which you could queue into manually on a given job they could simply have said that, instead they exclusively talked about your current level.

Full patch notes are now up.

On a skim, I don't think there's much new besides the resolved and known issues lists, but I haven't really compared them.

Why is anyone worried about the people who are overleveled in their MSQ not being able to do araid roulette? Just finish the MSQ?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Full patch notes are now up.

On a skim, I don't think there's much new besides the resolved and known issues lists, but I haven't really compared them.

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https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/e1...png?1696243766

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/e1...png?1696243766

I'm assuming these two are obtainable through Island Sanctuary? :D

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Also, concerning Wondrous Tails:

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In the event players have not unlocked certain duties, the available objectives will change.

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Finally, yes! Thank you, devs.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

Back in the early days, Dhorme Chimera and the Hydra fight were not trials you could queue for. Instead you would have to trigger them in the overworld with a party member on the appropriate step. That category was there for these sort of battles, but SE turned them into DF trials shortly before 2.2, rendering the category obsolete for the next 9 years.

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It seemed like they had either forgotten about it entirely or were secretly planning something for it, but apparently it wasn't the latter.

[QUOTE=Supersnow845;6354135]I’m both happy and weirded out with the changes they made to the alliance roulette

Firstly the fact that they also added ilvls to all levels in a good change I’m happy they did

However the fact that they didn’t add a MSQ qualifier to it means that people are going to quickly outlevel the ability to queue for the roulette which is a strange choice[/QUOTEMsq



Alts always will need to be leveled up... serious game players have more than 2 alts ....everyone knows why (savages, more retainers, more sell slots, more gc seals,) when alts are joined through an fc and can use the GC box alts can pass gil, gear, mats, etc to each other to enhance any gathering/crafting and gearing probs for all members of the team. This is why we have solo FC's (alts)

Yoshida also commented about some topics during the downtime on a liveblog.

Summary/Highlights:

- There will be a branching cutscene path in the 6.5 main quest if you have completed the Shadowbringers Normal Raids.

- Though there are only 2 Mythology of the Realm quests, their contents are quite long.

- If there is a lot of feedback asking for it, the team could continue to update Island Sanctuary after 7.0

- Plans for major "Lifestyle"-type content in 7.0, similar to Island Sanctuary.

- There are plans underway in 7.0 to be able to change the interior of a house to remove the columns, or to change the size of the interior.

- For the 7.0 Unreals, it's possible that Endwalker level 90 fights could be updated for level 100.

- Yoshida says he thinks there will be a large number of jobs that will have new rotations and actions added in 7.0.

- Patch 6.51 will release in late October after London fanfest, 6.55 in mid-January.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Full patch notes are now up.

On a skim, I don't think there's much new besides the resolved and known issues lists, but I haven't really compared them.

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I seriously need a log of changes because I think almost everything I have seen in the preliminary notes. What's even the point of releasing preliminary notes? Just release the full notes instead.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

I seriously need a log of changes because I think almost everything I have seen in the preliminary notes. What's even the point of releasing preliminary notes? Just release the full notes instead.

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https://www.diffchecker.com/uJqkcVkT/

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

I seriously need a log of changes because I think almost everything I have seen in the preliminary notes. What's even the point of releasing preliminary notes? Just release the full notes instead.

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Mostly the same aside from minor PvE potency buffs, per usual.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

- Yoshida says he thinks there will be a large number of jobs that will have new rotations and actions added in 7.0.

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https://i.gyazo.com/218c369a85eb04c8...b4e87ca6e5.png

(I'm joking before anyone comes at me, but I'd be lying if I said that this statement doesn't have me concerned)

While going through the patch notes and eventually coming across that image of the new mandragora mount I initially thought it was flying on a flowery fart cloud... lol

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Originally Posted by Arrius

- Yoshida says he thinks there will be a large number of jobs that will have new rotations and actions added in 7.0.

- Patch 6.51 will release in late October after London fanfest, 6.55 in mid-January.

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Not sure whether to be nervous or excited.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

- There will be a branching cutscene path in the 6.5 main quest if you have completed the Shadowbringers Normal Raids.

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That’s cool, but I was thinking/hoping they might make those raids mandatory for the MSQ but I guess not…

Guess we’re not taking Eden to the 13th then… darn! lol

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Not sure whether to be nervous or excited.

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If SMN is any inkling of their design path? Terrified would be the correct answer

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

That’s cool, but I was thinking/hoping they might make those raids mandatory for the MSQ but I guess not…

Guess we’re not taking Eden to the 13th then… darn! lol

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Naw, this is really good because it means there some acknowledgement for that elephant in the room and theyre putting some effort into it for both sides who didnt bother and for those that did.

Making it mandatory for MSQ is not the answer

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Yoshida also commented about some topics during the downtime on a liveblog.

Summary/Highlights:

- If there is a lot of feedback asking for it, the team could continue to update Island Sanctuary after 7.0

- Plans for major "Lifestyle"-type content in 7.0, similar to Island Sanctuary.

- For the 7.0 Unreals, it's possible that Endwalker level 90 fights could be updated for level 100.

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Groan please no.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

That’s cool, but I was thinking/hoping they might make those raids mandatory for the MSQ but I guess not…

Guess we’re not taking Eden to the 13th then… darn! lol

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Originally the Crystal Tower raids were like this. Completely optional and your reward for doing them down the line was the extra dialogue and such with the Exarch both before and after the reveal. Then they made CT required MSQ, because it was so important to ShB's story. Depending how big this branching path is...they might go back and make Eden MSQ. Though, in my opinion, they should first work on making Binding Coils MSQ, because that has a lot of important story bits and ties up loose ends in regards to what happened with Bahamut during the calamity. It also shows you where the hell Alisae went during the whole of ARR!

my guess is we will see a certain person in one cutscene... she might even say one or two unimportant sentences

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Making it mandatory for MSQ is not the answer

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Yes. yes it its. As everything should be. If you play this game you can do these few raids etc at least once per expansion.... if not, why even play?

and what about unukalhai and that whole save the 1. and 13. stuff? i wished thats msq too.... so many jobs starting on high lvls, doing the role quests isnt that big of a tasks

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Originally Posted by Asari5

and what about unukalhai and that whole save the 1. and 13. stuff? i wished thats msq too.... so many jobs starting on high lvls, doing the role quests isnt that big of a tasks

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So much yes... they shouldve written the role quest so you can do it with two roles as well... its a waste to have such an huge plotpoint wasted, as many will never bother... heck i know plenty ppl who leveled all jobs but never did those quests...

More tank homogenisation..
Idk if i want to continue playing this game in 7.0

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Originally Posted by StarRosie

Originally the Crystal Tower raids were like this. Completely optional and your reward for doing them down the line was the extra dialogue and such with the Exarch both before and after the reveal. Then they made CT required MSQ, because it was so important to ShB's story. Depending how big this branching path is...they might go back and make Eden MSQ. Though, in my opinion, they should first work on making Binding Coils MSQ, because that has a lot of important story bits and ties up loose ends in regards to what happened with Bahamut during the calamity. It also shows you where the hell Alisae went during the whole of ARR!

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True! I ran them unsynced with my FC mates just for the story, because no one was running them when I started in Stormblood. lol probably a large chunk of why Alisaie is one of my favorite characters too.

I’m sure it’ll probably just be some sort of extra conversation with Ryne, unless they’re going to have Ryne give a synopsis of the events of the raid to players who didn’t run it, which seems unlikely…

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

So much yes... they shouldve written the role quest so you can do it with two roles as well... its a waste to have such an huge plotpoint wasted, as many will never bother... heck i know plenty ppl who leveled all jobs but never did those quests...

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It started as a nice easter egg worldbuilding thing, but now that it's an actual plot point in EW's MSQ it's really kind of a head scratcher for anyone who finished the caster/all role quests in ShB....at least they realized Ryne should be involved to an extend.

PS: I wonder if that means we'll get a Gaia cameo this time

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

If you are doing the HW msq at level 82 something is very very wrong with your progression lol.


Make friends. It's a social game right? Friends are usually willing to help with gearing. Or people in novice network. Old gear is easy to make and takes little time.

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This change is completely forgetting people on the Road to 80 servers. It's very possible to be far above the MSQ and thus not have access to gear appropriate to the level that you're at. Like Snow said, you'd have to buy something instead of being able to get the gear from in-game means and if you're fresh on Dynamis you may not be rolling in riches just yet. Hopefully they can look at adding an MSQ qualifier.

i mean, you could just do the roulette on another job. or is there a point in reaching lvl 90 through roulette during hw-msq?

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

True! I ran them unsynced with my FC mates just for the story, because no one was running them when I started in Stormblood. lol probably a large chunk of why Alisaie is one of my favorite characters too.

I’m sure it’ll probably just be some sort of extra conversation with Ryne, unless they’re going to have Ryne give a synopsis of the events of the raid to players who didn’t run it, which seems unlikely…

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I pulled a friend through them when he finished ARR, because if you finished Binding Coils before Heavensward, you got special dialogue with Alisaie when she finally shows up in HW. He was grateful I did this, because outside of introducing him to Alisaie before HW, it tied up a ton of questions he had in regards to the Calamity, Bahamut, and Louiswax. (I probably spelt that wrong.) And now, even he asks why Binding Coils aren't mandatory like CT is.

Another thing that irks me with the current story is that, to my knowledge they have not ONCE made reference back to the Shadows of Mhach raids, despite those raids dealing a ton with not just voidsent, but HIGH LEVEL voidsent (Including a Voidsent QUEEN!) and a ship that doubles as a massive Voidsent prison. Gee...I wonder what we could do with a massive Voidsent prison...hmmm, hmmm...(Even if the Void Ark crashed, we could still salvage stuff from it to help with our current situation. But it's far too late to link back to it now...)

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Yes. yes it its. As everything should be. If you play this game you can do these few raids etc at least once per expansion.... if not, why even play?

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Because not everyone is going to want to do everything?

Listen, I personally agree with you because this game is story focused on every piece of content that I would like for parts of it to fit in msq. But thats not how people are going to take this game's content. In fact people who play casually will soon find story interrupts for nearly everything if they decide to focus on msq because the game will force them to go back and finish or continue a piece of content in order to progress. Itll break the pace of their playthroughs.

Thats not good MMO design and thats the issue here. Im not a dumb idiot thinking that my personal want is going to be good for the game, its downright terrible to force every player to go through every piece of content.

You are advocating for taking away player choice and thats bad, so Im sorry but you are horribly 100% wrong with this take.

there is one npc talking about scathach, optional on zeros island.... but yeah its a missed opportunity.


they could use that stuff from side content but giving plaxers a warning they might miss context if thex havent done this or that questline. leaving it to the players if they wanna do it

The best they should do is to at least acknowledge some of the important side content is certain cutscenes rather than having to force more players to do side content for the meat and potatoes of this game which is the msq.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

- If there is a lot of feedback asking for it, the team could continue to update Island Sanctuary after 7.0

- Plans for major "Lifestyle"-type content in 7.0, similar to Island Sanctuary.

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Honestly, as much as I loathe that dumb factory, I'd rather they keep updating it than dropping it entirely and do "Island Sanctuary 2.0." It just.... I don't know, feels like it's a waste of time and resources.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

If you are doing the HW msq at level 82 something is very very wrong with your progression lol.


Make friends. It's a social game right? Friends are usually willing to help with gearing. Or people in novice network. Old gear is easy to make and takes little time.

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Nothing wrong with their progression, ask anyone who plays on Dynamis, you sneeze, and you go up 5 levels.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

So much yes... they shouldve written the role quest so you can do it with two roles as well... its a waste to have such an huge plotpoint wasted, as many will never bother... heck i know plenty ppl who leveled all jobs but never did those quests...

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Honestly everything that's a duty should be locked into the MSQ somehow... so only basic side quests and quests that only give items wouldn't be required..

It would bring more blood and attention to these quests.. especially as some are easy to miss if your new.. it would also double down on making sure everyone has everything unlocked and keep the roulettes full with all options not just cherry picked ones like some players do

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Originally Posted by Asari5

i mean, you could just do the roulette on another job. or is there a point in reaching lvl 90 through roulette during hw-msq?

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It's not always about experience. I've been taking my time on my Dynamis alt and I worked on my ARR DRG relic by queueing for AR on the light step while I was doing MSQ on another class since all I had was CT unlocked. You have to queue with the class to get the update and you have to have the weapon equipped. But if a Road to 80 character did have a reason to want to run their daily roulettes, they could potentially be blocked from this one for something outside their control. It's definitely something I'm going to test on my alt.

This is when I get my hats...right?