Players are already lowering their bar for Downtrail

My only hope for the Dawntrail story is that is isn't actually a beach episode. We don't need to be beating up god by any means, but I hope there's at least some sort of actual threat and it doesn't turn out to just be a tournament arc or something like that.

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My only hope for the Dawntrail story is that is isn't actually a beach episode. We don't need to be beating up god by any means, but I hope there's at least some sort of actual threat and it doesn't turn out to just be a tournament arc or something like that.

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To Save the world. We must defeat God, in The King of Iron Fist Tournament XIV
.....that actually isnt a bad tagline XD

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To Save the world. We must defeat God, in The King of Iron Fist Tournament XIV
.....that actually isnt a bad tagline XD

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Just read that with the Tekken 4 announcer voice

Stop Youtuber-posting.
This is a stealth youtuber post, but its still a youtuber-post.
Stop doing that.

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To Save the world. We must defeat God, in The King of Iron Fist Tournament XIV
.....that actually isnt a bad tagline XD

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Just read that with the Tekken 4 announcer voice

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Do you hear yourselves?
We are already lowering our standards and expectations. The community is quite literally telling other people to lower their hype, to expect less and to expect an insubstantial expansion.
If this is not an indicator for the current state of the game, I don't know what is.

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at this point from what i can understand.. the community has given up on the game.. and that all it took was 1 bad expansion is kinda sad.. but these people WILL be the end of this game.. itl go back down to the lowest numbers its ever had back in ARR. and most people wont stick with it.. new people wont last long either.

now i hear 1 arguement a lot.. and I cant stand this arguement
"u cant expect a good story after 2 really good ones". if i was the lore writer.. this comment would actually tilt me. because its essentially saying "this artist can make anything good again for a long time" and thats actually offensive.. i as an artist. am not ok posting mediocre stuff that nobody likes... and i wouldnt be ok with people making up excuses for it.. i want ppl to love my work and would make it for them... so people dont realize how insulting this assumption actually is to ishikawa... and the devs..

as for practicality of it... people said EW wasnt gona beat shb.. yet it did.. theres games out there with even better stoies than EW.. and all this game needs to do is draw inspiration from those, and other older ffs stories. find what moves people, capture emotions and create beloved characters. Kingdom hearts premise was simple. 3 friends seperated on a journey to fine eachother again. crisis was the story of a man who wanted to a true hero.. some disney stories like lion king are about betrayal and loss. simple premise but the exicution is perfect and painstakingly though out. and its the effort and dedication the devs will need to use to make ANY story.. a possibilitty. so no, theres no excuse for bad writing. theres no excuse for content luls, there no excuse for "go play another game".

when yoshida talked about playing other games.. it was not meant in a way to deflect from this games problems. he was sayings "its ok to do other things, this game wont forget u.. content wont get removed.. u can allways catch up" it wasn't meant as.. stop playing this game because we dont wanna make more. never ever in any community ive ever been in.. have i ever seen this. and i went through khII-III 10 year drought...

You should never be hyped about a game in the first place. But we gamers are a special kind of stupid.

Also, people who expect a similar wow factor as with EW probably never read a book before. Building up stuff takes time, otherwise it's cheap. Look no further than current tome relics.

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You should never be hyped about a game in the first place. But we gamers are a special kind of stupid.

Also, people who expect a similar wow factor as with EW probably never read a book before. Building up stuff takes time, otherwise it's cheap. Look no further than current tome relics.

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im gone be real with ppl like you. if this game fails to deliver a good story in 7.0. its going to die and no amount of excuses making or justifying it will matter. there aree better games out there. and if this game wants to survive its gona have to.. im already gona be cancling my sub when ff7R drops in feb. and if dawntrail doesn't improve. i wont be comming back till 7.5 and 8.5 respectivley

i already lowered my expectations on how i will receive this expansion.

why?

mostly because what i want now from the game differs from what i wanted back when i started the game.
and also because of things i've seen slowly disappearing while time passed. (for exemple: positionals, the struggle to keep as much uptime as possible or content with mechanics that arent braindead and at the same time dont need 100% of the group alive)

and the story... 5.0-5.55 were amazing mo. but ew (including 6.0) didnt catch me, not at all.

doesnt mean the expansion will be bad, but overall it will be difficult to catch me.

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i already lowered my expectations on how i will receive this expansion.

why?

mostly because what i want now from the game differs from what i wanted back when i started the game.
and also because of things i've seen slowly disappearing while time passed. (for exemple: positionals, the struggle to keep as much uptime as possible or content with mechanics that arent braindead and at the same time dont need 100% of the group alive)

and the story... 5.0-5.55 were amazing mo. but ew (including 6.0) didnt catch me, not at all.

doesnt mean the expansion will be bad, but overall it will be difficult to catch me.

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ew was the only story that really really moved me. i love phillosphical writing and the ponder for ones meaning of existence. ffxiv handled it SO well. i loved the refences they drew off of from the book "mans search for meaning" by viktor frankl. was a great way to get new ppl invested into his amazing work. I loved the exploration of the cosmos,, and the exporation of the fermie paradox. i want more of this writing and world building.

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at this point from what i can understand.. the community has given up on the game.. and that all it took was 1 bad expansion is kinda sad.. but these people WILL be the end of this game.. itl go back down to the lowest numbers its ever had back in ARR. and most people wont stick with it.. new people wont last long either.

now i hear 1 arguement a lot.. and I cant stand this arguement
"u cant expect a good story after 2 really good ones". if i was the lore writer.. this comment would actually tilt me. because its essentially saying "this artist can make anything good again for a long time" and thats actually offensive.. i as an artist. am not ok posting mediocre stuff that nobody likes... and i wouldnt be ok with people making up excuses for it.. i want ppl to love my work and would make it for them... so people dont realize how insulting this assumption actually is to ishikawa... and the devs..

as for practicality of it... people said EW wasnt gona beat shb.. yet it did.. theres games out there with even better stoies than EW.. and all this game needs to do is draw inspiration from those, and other older ffs stories. find what moves people, capture emotions and create beloved characters. Kingdom hearts premise was simple. 3 friends seperated on a journey to fine eachother again. crisis was the story of a man who wanted to a true hero.. some disney stories like lion king are about betrayal and loss. simple premise but the exicution is perfect and painstakingly though out. and its the effort and dedication the devs will need to use to make ANY story.. a possibilitty. so no, theres no excuse for bad writing. theres no excuse for content luls, there no excuse for "go play another game".

when yoshida talked about playing other games.. it was not meant in a way to deflect from this games problems. he was sayings "its ok to do other things, this game wont forget u.. content wont get removed.. u can allways catch up" it wasn't meant as.. stop playing this game because we dont wanna make more. never ever in any community ive ever been in.. have i ever seen this. and i went through khII-III 10 year drought...

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Its amazing how you evaded and twisted every single counter argument that was thrown in this thread for this take.


You can still have a good story without having to top the previous two expansions. Thats all were expecting, a good written story. But its obviously not going to have the same weight or impact as Shb and EW. Its ridiculous to even expect that.

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You should never be hyped about a game in the first place

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That is truly a sad position to take. Sad not as in you, but sad as in the state of gaming is such that that is the logical position to hold.

My point isn't that that's illogical or unreasonable, or otherwise.

My point is that, in taking that position, it means that you don't expect much good at all.

People should be hyped about the story of the new expansion. And yet, everyone is telling each other to temper their expectations.

It means no one is expecting anything groundbreaking from FF14 in 2023. Is that reasonable, sure. Is that sad, yes.

literally what Renalt said, why would i hype something up to be disappointed, i expect the same formula they've fed to us from expansion to expansion, just this time we'll be getting another open zoned area, untill they openly say or SHOW that they're fixing aspects people are clearly unhappy with, why should i have my expectations high? i find it weird to be hyped over stuff we LITERALLY know nothing about, at that point it's just shilling.

Look man, this isn’t World of Warcraft. It’s just FFXIV. What do you expect, the world’s most popular MMO? Square Enix isn’t like Blizzard. It’s a smaller company. They can’t do much. Yes, FFXIV is vastly overpriced for what it is. It’s nowhere near the same level of intricacy as most other MMOs. It’s a much smaller project. When ARR came out in 2013, all SE wanted to do was save their YoY earnings projection. It’s not a big game.

People were deluded into thinking it was. They said this was the “WoW-killer” and the “next big thing”. Wrong! It never was! It’s a side game. It can never replace WoW or any other multiplayer game. It can never be someone’s “main game”. FFXIV is something you play with your friends right after a patch drop before moving on to something else. It will never, ever compete with any other game in your life, not even the free ones. And you all like it that way.

Most people here agree with me on this, which is why you want to lower expectations.

i'm not disappointed at all. all i know about it is a small trailer , there still like a year away for square to surprised us. i will loss my mind when i'm stuck in a ridiculous login queue again

Eh, saying it's a new arc doesn't mean the story has to be slow. While 2.0 was a typical MMO experience, near the end it went from 0 to 60 like ... REAL fast, which then following HW. I think SB is when the story slowed down a bit, then picking it up again with ShB. Things peak out early with EndWalker then dive and flat out for the supposed "taking a breather".

Also, it's fairly obvious they're spending a lot of time to build up cross realm traveling in the lore, so now the threat instead of being on the source, it can be on the shards instead, similar to how it was with the first. Remember our adventure in ShD more or less came out of nowhere with very little build up and forwarn, but they still managed to put together some really good setting, characters, and overall story. Sure, it has the Ascian and Emersech, but remember the 13th also a ton of lore behind it already, so as a starting point it may be even better.


Basically, my point is there is no reason for the next expansion not to be as interesting as ShB, at least storywise. Regardless of which side of the fence you might be, I think SE and Yoshi realize a lot of people are not exactly thrill about a 2 years vacation, so it'll be foolish of them to have another "R&R" expansion. Also in his own words, post MSQ for EW is not only a vacation, but also the introduction for the next story arc. Which I think the 13th and the pantheon raid are about, also can't help but notice they're putting an emphasis on the restoration of the Student of Basion who specialize in find new and weird things. In another word, we already have our warm up and set up for the next expansion right now, so expect to hit the ground running in the actual expansion itself.

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That is truly a sad position to take. Sad not as in you, but sad as in the state of gaming is such that that is the logical position to hold.

My point isn't that that's illogical or unreasonable, or otherwise.

My point is that, in taking that position, it means that you don't expect much good at all.

People should be hyped about the story of the new expansion. And yet, everyone is telling each other to temper their expectations.

It means no one is expecting anything groundbreaking from FF14 in 2023. Is that reasonable, sure. Is that sad, yes.

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That's only part of it.
Hype, first off, is hard to meet. You expect a fantasy only to be disappointed by the reality. By being positively optimistic and then getting a good game you get more out of it. It's common sense, really. It's like a good horror movie that never really shows you the monster completely because your imagination will always be better than the actual scare, if that makes sense.

And hype nowadays is this perverted thing that's just being generated for PR reasons to sell preorders. The fact that some people in this thread seem to interpret the absence of hype as something negative when it's just normal to wait and see what the *actual* product looks like just shows you how normalised this thinking has become. Buy product and then get excited for next product.

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im gone be real with ppl like you. if this game fails to deliver a good story in 7.0. its going to die and no amount of excuses making or justifying it will matter. there aree better games out there. and if this game wants to survive its gona have to.. im already gona be cancling my sub when ff7R drops in feb. and if dawntrail doesn't improve. i wont be comming back till 7.5 and 8.5 respectivley

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People like me, huh? Again, it's just how stories work.
Did Endwalker start with Meteion trying to destroy the universe? No.
Did ARR start with a certain lala getting poisoned? No. Was Ala Mhigo liberated at the end or the beginning of SB? You see what I'm getting at? All these scenarios have in common that they needed build-up to make what was happening meaningful in context. Why do you think is that? I'm really not sure what people are expecting from the very first trailer.

By the same token do I not understand people who are... uh... distraught by EW having ended a big story arc. That's literally what happens in every book, movie, video game or play with a story that has ever existed. If people react so strongly then I'd question if they ever read a book before.

That being said, I'm happy we are going back from saving the actual universe to something more grounded. It's getting kinda silly at this point. I like Nihilism as much as the next WoL but I think one expansion is enough for now. But that's just me.

We are only kind of starting over, the same characters that have had their 10 year arcs are coming along and with them all the baggage and history that we have with them. So no this is not a square one new story, this is a new story with the same cast as we've had with some new ones sprinkled in. It is also not going to change anything significant in gameplay either so it is also not all that new of an adventure when you're bringing along the same abilities you've had all along as well. It's going to be another few zones with their own story that may or may not continue on past the Dawntrail expansion, I really doubt we are going to learn anything incredibly revolutionary, after all they set it up so everything that ever happens in this world anywhere is the result of the ancient's work before the sundering since they created everything anyway.

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People like me, huh? Again, it's just how stories work.
Did Endwalker start with Meteion trying to destroy the universe? No.
Did ARR start with a certain lala getting poisoned? No. Was Ala Mhigo liberated at the end or the beginning of SB? You see what I'm getting at? All these scenarios have in common that they needed build-up to make what was happening meaningful in context. Why do you think is that? I'm really not sure what people are expecting from the very first trailer.

By the same token do I not understand people who are... uh... distraught by EW having ended a big story arc. That's literally what happens in every book, movie, video game or play with a story that has ever existed. If people react so strongly then I'd question if they ever read a book before.

That being said, I'm happy we are going back from saving the actual universe to something more grounded. It's getting kinda silly at this point. I like Nihilism as much as the next WoL but I think one expansion is enough for now. But that's just me.

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No you see, we just need game stories where it just starts at the climax. No time for build up or character development or good pacing, the player arent babies, they can figure all the context and weight behind what happens and not be pleased- oh wait this is what WoW does with the new player experience and everybody thinks its bad.

What are you talking about? What I mean is I don't expect Dawntrail to be as intensive as Endwalker, because it's a new beginning. I expect the quality of the story to be better and I want the content to be at least as good. The quality of the story can be great despite it being more grounded and smaller scale. Why is this an issue?

I don't want to skyrocket the stakes right at the gate like the patch storyline 'just beacuse'.

I think what people are saying by "I'm lowering my bar" is more so for the stories stakes. Endwalker had very very high stakes and emotional moments. Dawntrail is the expansion after that, the trailer already shows that the stakes aren't even close. From saving the world to going on a treasure hunt. Its a totally different vibe and tempo. If the gameplay is worse than I will be mad, if they don't fix problems (my lack of hats) then I will be mad. But I'm not going to rage if I'm not crying at the end of Dawntrail's story because I wasn't setup for multiple expansions on the story of this place.

It is not good idea generalize never. I didn't lower any bar, for example. Even when I over-hype something I not feel disappointed if not meet my expectations, because that's on me.

On the other hand. The climax of the story has been already done, so it is natural to understand that the next stories will be just adventuring. That is not lowing the bar. The game can have the same quality despite if the story is not as epic as the previous one. The story will escalate again, probably, as it was escalating from ARR to EW.

I expect Dawntrail to be something ARR like, anew setup for a new arc. That is not lowering the bar, that is understand that the previous arc ended (in a Epic way like a good Final Fantasy) and now it is necessary to build up anew one.

This is like any show, or anime. Did One Piece ended after the climax in Marineford? Or Dragon Ball after Freezer saga? Of course not. They built up other plots.

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It is not good idea generalize never. I didn't lower any bar, for example. Even when I over-hype something I not feel disappointed if not meet my expectations, because that's on me.

On the other hand. The climax of the story has been already done, so it is natural to understand that the next stories will be just adventuring. That is not lowing the bar. The game can have the same quality despite if the story is not as epic as the previous one. The story will escalate again, probably, as it was escalating from ARR to EW.

I expect Dawntrail to be something ARR like, anew setup for a new arc. That is not lowering the bar, that is understand that the previous arc ended (in a Epic way like a good Final Fantasy) and now it is necessary to build up anew one.

This is like any show, or anime. Did One Piece ended after the climax in Marineford? Or Dragon Ball after Freezer saga? Of course not. They built up other plots.

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Good example. Not overly familiar with Onepiece, but I know Dragonball Z had 'slice of life' stories that led into the larger sagas. The one following the Cell saga, focused on Gohan's high school years, being the most obvious example.

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We are already lowering our standards and expectations.

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The main advantage from beeing a pessimist is: you can only be positively surprised. :)

But i am not a doomer and maybe FF14 follows the good -> not so good -> good -> not so good-pattern. If EW is considered as "not so good" so DT should be good again. :)








Cheers

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On the other hand. The climax of the story has been already done, so it is natural to understand that the next stories will be just adventuring. That is not lowing the bar. The game can have the same quality despite if the story is not as epic as the previous one. The story will escalate again, probably, as it was escalating from ARR to EW.

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While shadowbringers did have some references, storywise its almost completely seperated in the events. And this created 1 thing that i considered one of the better features a game often fails to do: A fresh situation. The start of shadowbringers felt fresh, no known characters, no idea who to trust and not, the enemy isnt known yet. You are exploring the story fresh, and thats what to me makes it feel good from the start.

Constantly building on an earlier story will limit things a lot. Not being bound to those anymore can often make the decision making fresh. Sure, reference points can be used, but when an issue is completely new, in a unfamiliar location, there is still a lot you can discover.

I suspect the story will be similar to stormblood on that. More about diplomatics and a build up for a longer story that can expand acros multiple expansions. And while it isnt as interesting, it doesnt always have to. But this has to go along with good dungeons, scripted fights, trials, raids, and potentialy other world events or side activities. But in this case i do hope they arent constantly going back to the old scions and now focus more on the locals. That was something that they did well in Shb, even though the scions were still there. They just couldnt be there all the time as they each had their own task keeping them busy, so locals were used to cover things instead.

A lot of new characters then can also mean that a few of the settled ones could die, or just locked up in a side activity causing them to rarely be seen again. Lyse was properly purged from the scions that way. And while its not as dramatic as a death, it at least kept room open for someone else (whether that was an improvement is an other discussion though).

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I think what people are saying by "I'm lowering my bar" is more so for the stories stakes. Endwalker had very very high stakes and emotional moments. Dawntrail is the expansion after that, the trailer already shows that the stakes aren't even close. From saving the world to going on a treasure hunt. Its a totally different vibe and tempo. If the gameplay is worse than I will be mad, if they don't fix problems (my lack of hats) then I will be mad. But I'm not going to rage if I'm not crying at the end of Dawntrail's story because I wasn't setup for multiple expansions on the story of this place.

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You can get an equally good story as long as it is written well. Endwalker had more buildup because of many expansions for the conclusion of a 10 year story arc, but it's not like all the previous characters stop existing in a bubble either. All events can may have concluded a story arc, but the experiences will carry on. The scions will still be present and will still affect the MSQ just as much as before. The circumstances of the adventure could change, but we will still have our adventure and for a game so heavily driven by story-telling, the story shouldn't be held to any lower standard. It is fine to say Dawntrail is setting up a new arc and lots of things will end up unanswered, but setting up a new arc does not mean the new arc have to be boring either. You can have just as much dynamic and emotionally-driven moments in the MSQ.

In a way, ShB does do a soft-reset by sending you to another place for an adventure. You forget about primals for a bit and focus on the new threat. This can work just as well if we're going off to the New World.

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While shadowbringers did have some references, storywise its almost completely seperated in the events. And this created 1 thing that i considered one of the better features a game often fails to do: A fresh situation. The start of shadowbringers felt fresh, no known characters, no idea who to trust and not, the enemy isnt known yet. You are exploring the story fresh, and thats what to me makes it feel good from the start.

Constantly building on an earlier story will limit things a lot. Not being bound to those anymore can often make the decision making fresh. Sure, reference points can be used, but when an issue is completely new, in a unfamiliar location, there is still a lot you can discover.

I suspect the story will be similar to stormblood on that. More about diplomatics and a build up for a longer story that can expand acros multiple expansions. And while it isnt as interesting, it doesnt always have to. But this has to go along with good dungeons, scripted fights, trials, raids, and potentialy other world events or side activities. But in this case i do hope they arent constantly going back to the old scions and now focus more on the locals. That was something that they did well in Shb, even though the scions were still there. They just couldnt be there all the time as they each had their own task keeping them busy, so locals were used to cover things instead.

A lot of new characters then can also mean that a few of the settled ones could die, or just locked up in a side activity causing them to rarely be seen again. Lyse was properly purged from the scions that way. And while its not as dramatic as a death, it at least kept room open for someone else (whether that was an improvement is an other discussion though).

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I disagree to a certain extent with Shadowbringers. While the core story was made to be sorta of a fresh one off story, the reason most people cared for it was BECAUSE of what came before.

All the familiar yet unfamiliar locales, the struggles the WoL faced, the Warrior of Darkness's plight finally hitting home after their one off intro back in post HW, the fact that Minfillias and Thancred's character was given more depth, and of course understanding why the Ascians gave a shit about what they were trying to fight for with Emet Selch.

Remove all that context and build up and Shadowbringers would be just a typical story akin to the primal threats from early ARR l, just with a cooler theme and setting, which...I suppose is enough but not really.

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Oh boy. What a fanboy. As others already said: expecting DT to be good doesn't mean it can't be a new start. Make it an intresting introduction. Or that's what i would say but we keep the bunny boy and the scions and maybe Emmet shows up again or Zenos because for some reason we can't get rid of them.

DT will be the new groundwork for the next arc. I liked ARR for all the worldbuilding it did. I hope DT will do the same in the Etheryn Americas, as well as probably Corvos (since we keep getting offhand dialogue about that). I don't feel like expecting another ARR is really lowering expectations. Its not gonna be EW or ShB(my personal favorite story) b/c they both used previous stories' groundwork. But it can, and I'm sure will, be an interesting enough story on its own. Personally, I like the idea of searching for El Dorado. And the ruler candidates of Tural will likely be interesting figures.

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What are you talking about? What I mean is I don't expect Dawntrail to be as intensive as Endwalker, because it's a new beginning. I expect the quality of the story to be better and I want the content to be at least as good. The quality of the story can be great despite it being more grounded and smaller scale. Why is this an issue?

I don't want to skyrocket the stakes right at the gate like the patch storyline 'just beacuse'.

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The content being at least as good? That's a very funny thought.

The idea that 7.0 can't impress people because it's going up against the previous story is crazy. All of the expansions are unique and have their own flavor despite being tied together.

Anyone with eyes can see in the latest trailer there's just nothing going on in it that is interesting outside guessing the latest job. This hasn't been the case with past trailers and is unique to DawnTrail. It totally relies on you being hyped by just seeing characters.

I hate sounding critical on every post, but a lot of the positivity on the forum seems counter productive

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The idea that 7.0 can't impress people because it's going up against the previous story is crazy. All of the expansions are unique and have their own flavor despite being tied together.

Anyone with eyes can see in the latest trailer there's just nothing going on in it that is interesting outside guessing the latest job. This hasn't been the case with past trailers and is unique to DawnTrail. It totally relies on you being hyped by just seeing characters.

I hate sounding critical on every post, but a lot of the positivity on the forum seems counter productive

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The positivity on the forums are fake. Most of it is written by people who don't play the game.

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The positivity on the forums are fake. Most of it is written by people who don't play the game.

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Annnghh... you literally just posted a thread the other day about how you "don't play the game" is this a freaking satire account?

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The positivity on the forums are fake. Most of it is written by people who don't play the game.

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The negativity on the forums are fake. Most of it is written by people who don’t play the game.

See how that works?

First rule of managing hype, keep your expectations so low that the bar is underground. This way, you won’t be disappointed or hurt when thing don’t go your way. If they turn out otherwise, enjoy!

As to all of us feeling down, this is more of a pacing issue, except the relic, they outright screwed up on that. The content they had for the MSQ for 6.1 to 6.55 could easily have been done in 2 patches, not 5.5. They should have stuck with the formula and run the EW story through patch 6.3 by having 6.0 end with the Zord fight. Had they done this, our conversations would have been a bit different. Probably same issues but not as intense as it is now as we have experienced the longest content droughts in the games history with the longest yet starting in January.

We all love this game and are upset with how things are going, we hope the devs will hear us and not do this again. You know things are really bad when the complaining stops.

People are doing it in this very thread:

"Keep your expectations low and hope to be surprised"

What ever happened to the old hype train, Oh lawd it's comin'! memes pre-expansion?! We got a lazy river float going on now.

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People are doing it in this very thread:

"Keep your expectations low and hope to be surprised"

What ever happened to the old hype train, Oh lawd it's comin'! memes pre-expansion?! We got a lazy river float going on now.

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I think Metion’s song has done its thing on the community, depression expansion, darkness, etc. I’ll feel better after I’ve had my cruise in the islands… hopefully, but that’s 8-ish months from now.

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I think Metion’s song has done its thing on the community, depression expansion, darkness, etc. I’ll feel better after I’ve had my cruise in the islands… hopefully, but that’s 8-ish months from now.

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If EW gives you depression do you only enjoy stories for little children?

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Originally Posted by Noumenon

The positivity on the forums are fake. Most of it is written by people who don't play the game.

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I was just thinking that post count should go away in favor of play time.

Because the real truth is blind defenders use it against you either way. You're either not playing at all and don't know what you're talking about or you're playing it and contradicting your own analysis (ie if the game has issues why are you playing). It's a dumb tactic.