The lack of gil sinks

complains about gil sinks....
meanwhile *looks at lack of gil*

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Welp…..time to pull out that maid uniform……….

then grab my drk weapon and let some poor bastard heal my edgy ass.

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It's a fine and edgy ass to heal.

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Originally Posted by hagare

complains about gil sinks....
meanwhile *looks at lack of gil*

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That's pretty much it. There are 2 categories of players : those that have 1-2M gils or less, and those that have hundreds of millions of gils (crafters, gatherers, run sellers). Most rich people stay rich, most poor people stay rich. There is a middleground, where people have 20-40M, but those are treasure map hunters, and gil sinks don't appeal to them because... yeah, why would you invest all your gils in a mount ?

You all got nothing to do with your Gil?
No problem, im fking poor, im here with open Hands and would be happy for some $$$$!
Call me ! :D

Ahh...the problems of the 1%


As in wow I wish this were an issue I can relate to. Im always lacking in gil

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Originally Posted by Amh_Wilzuun

As a player who doesn’t craft but raids, crafted gear on patch week and pots and food are plenty of a Gil sink to me. I would love to get to the point where I have disposable Gil to throw at all the raid gear, glam items, and housing items I want. You won the ffxiv congrats! Like real world capitalism you reach a point where you have too much money to spend

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Same here. I'm hovering around 500k to 1.5 mil and when I gear a job for leveling or get a nice furniture I'm broke. At times I couldn't even afford a teleport. <.,< For normal people there is enough Gil sinks I'd say.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Ahh...the problems of the 1%


As in wow I wish this were an issue I can relate to. Im always lacking in gil

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What do you really use gil for, though? Just genuinely curious here because this "permanently broke lol" isn't something I could ever relate to.
Teleport fees are fairly low and Aetheryte tickets are quick and easy to get from the Elite marks. Even if you just do these Elite marks, you'll likely have enough for the week if you set the threshold to something like 300-400 gil unless you're really into gathering timed nodes and need to change zone often - in which case you'll likely make enough money from gathering either way. There's also GC teleport tickets for GC seals if you just want to get to your city quickly.

Repair cost are low and if you have crafters leveled, you can even buy the Dark Matter for GC seals. If you do any roulettes/ dungeons that drop gear from time to time, you'll most likely end up with more Dark Matter than you really need. Depending on your retainer classes, they can also bring back the gathered materials for the GC turn-in.

Alt class gear is "free" since you can get it for Poetics and roulettes give more than most people can remember to spend.

Melding fee is low and melding is only interesting if you're doing endgame content and very much optional if you don't.

Glamour is free since you can buy the prisms from your GC and most people work with plates anyway, so no additional cost there.

Basically all of the services people use frequently are either free or easy to make free passively or with minimal effort like sending out retainers. But roulette/ AIN boni and challenge log entries can easily cover that as well and you'll still have money to spare to accumulate enough to buy fancy mounts or go for a house over time even if you don't want to touch crafting/ gathering/ market board flipping/ farming expensive stuff. I'm not part of the 1%, I didn't actively make money outside of the occasional patch drop by selling overpriced Syrups or Spiritbond Potions because I was simply too lazy. But the gil kept ticking up from practically spending nothing on services like teleport/ glamour/ repairing while passively getting roulette/ AIN boni or challenge log entries and occasionally throwing stuff on the MB that retainers brought back or that I dumped GC seals/ tomes on like new pot/ crafted gear mats or a map when I remembered to quickly hit a tree.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

What do you really use gil for, though? Just genuinely curious here because this "permanently broke lol" isn't something I could ever relate to.
Teleport fees are fairly low and Aetheryte tickets are quick and easy to get from the Elite marks. Even if you just do these Elite marks, you'll likely have enough for the week if you set the threshold to something like 300-400 gil unless you're really into gathering timed nodes and need to change zone often - in which case you'll likely make enough money from gathering either way. There's also GC teleport tickets for GC seals if you just want to get to your city quickly.

Repair cost are low and if you have crafters leveled, you can even buy the Dark Matter for GC seals. If you do any roulettes/ dungeons that drop gear from time to time, you'll most likely end up with more Dark Matter than you really need. Depending on your retainer classes, they can also bring back the gathered materials for the GC turn-in.

Alt class gear is "free" since you can get it for Poetics and roulettes give more than most people can remember to spend.

Melding fee is low and melding is only interesting if you're doing endgame content and very much optional if you don't.

Glamour is free since you can buy the prisms from your GC and most people work with plates anyway, so no additional cost there.

Basically all of the services people use frequently are either free or easy to make free passively or with minimal effort like sending out retainers. But roulette/ AIN boni and challenge log entries can easily cover that as well and you'll still have money to spare to accumulate enough to buy fancy mounts or go for a house over time even if you don't want to touch crafting/ gathering/ market board flipping/ farming expensive stuff. I'm not part of the 1%, I didn't actively make money outside of the occasional patch drop by selling overpriced Syrups or Spiritbond Potions because I was simply too lazy. But the gil kept ticking up from practically spending nothing on services like teleport/ glamour/ repairing while passively getting roulette/ AIN boni or challenge log entries and occasionally throwing stuff on the MB that retainers brought back or that I dumped GC seals/ tomes on like new pot/ crafted gear mats or a map when I remembered to quickly hit a tree.

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This all boils down to 'in order to enjoy the game I need to do chores first.' Duty Roulette bored me to tears for instance. And sometimes you're in the 'inbetween' levels where you can't get tome gear. There is more but I can't be bothered to elaborate. lol

If you put in the effort and get rich, more power to you. But people shouldn't then turn around and say we need more Gil sinks.

If you have so much gil you have nothing to to spend it on, you put effort into getting gil. Why did you do that if there isn't anything to spend it on?

There are 175 million worth of mounts I don't have, and it'll likely be another ten years before I have that.

I can get on board with the OP's notion of a method to "upgrade an apartment" to a large for some large amount of gil. It would remove gil from the game and increase the demand for housing items. The luxury mounts were a good idea and they should continue adding them, but I don't know if it is a gil sink that draws in a significant portion of the playerbase.

I spend Gil when I'm too lazy to gather or craft. Especially when new crafted gear is available and I want to craft it for all my retainers zZZ.

Gil sinks are mainly put in games to handle inflation, which ff14 doesn't really have a problem with. The issue I find with ff14 is they handle reducing inflation by simply giving players very little raw gil. Almost no items vendor for much, they nerfed leve gil, removed it from collectibles, quests and challenge logs and even roulette bonuses give very little. Maps and submarines are the only real source.
Compare this to other games that have a lot to buy for ingame money, but also throw a lot at you for doing pretty much everything. This feels like money has a value and is a good reward, FF14's system is just easier to balance.
Either way, currently we don't need a gil sink. Inflation just isn't an issue because there isn't much raw gil flowing into the economy compared to how much is removed.

Gil itself is interesting. It currently has a lot of uses. The market board is packed with mounts, minions, music, emotes, hair, barding, other vanity items, glamour and so on that would cost a massive sum to buy them all. So why are most players not bothered and just sit on gil saying it has no uses?
Because collecting sucks in this game. They don't encourage it. You'll never get all the minions or mounts, tons of them are cash shop or past event you probably missed and even if you do, what's the point? There's no milestone achievements that give a new mount every 50, 100, 150 and soon. The mount and minion tab sucks, barely any info and it doesn't track any you miss. The game also does its best to keep achievements hidden because "showing off is bad", so why waste thousands of hours there. This mentality has created a community that will rarely be impressed by rare mounts and pets and would probably resent someone for it instead, so even less reason to get rare collectibles. As for glamour, that has limited slots so waste of time collecting too many.

The game just doesn't cater to collectors and people love collecting in MMO's. So vanity rewards become a "eh, whatever". Criterion is a great example, it feels unrewarding even though you can literally farm mounts that are 10-15m a pop, making it far more rewarding than most activities. No one cares. Collections aren't worth the effort of progging Savage level bosses.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

What do you really use gil for, though? Just genuinely curious here because this "permanently broke lol" isn't something I could ever relate to.
Teleport fees are fairly low and Aetheryte tickets are quick and easy to get from the Elite marks. Even if you just do these Elite marks, you'll likely have enough for the week if you set the threshold to something like 300-400 gil unless you're really into gathering timed nodes and need to change zone often - in which case you'll likely make enough money from gathering either way. There's also GC teleport tickets for GC seals if you just want to get to your city quickly.

Repair cost are low and if you have crafters leveled, you can even buy the Dark Matter for GC seals. If you do any roulettes/ dungeons that drop gear from time to time, you'll most likely end up with more Dark Matter than you really need. Depending on your retainer classes, they can also bring back the gathered materials for the GC turn-in.

Alt class gear is "free" since you can get it for Poetics and roulettes give more than most people can remember to spend.

Melding fee is low and melding is only interesting if you're doing endgame content and very much optional if you don't.

Glamour is free since you can buy the prisms from your GC and most people work with plates anyway, so no additional cost there.

Basically all of the services people use frequently are either free or easy to make free passively or with minimal effort like sending out retainers. But roulette/ AIN boni and challenge log entries can easily cover that as well and you'll still have money to spare to accumulate enough to buy fancy mounts or go for a house over time even if you don't want to touch crafting/ gathering/ market board flipping/ farming expensive stuff. I'm not part of the 1%, I didn't actively make money outside of the occasional patch drop by selling overpriced Syrups or Spiritbond Potions because I was simply too lazy. But the gil kept ticking up from practically spending nothing on services like teleport/ glamour/ repairing while passively getting roulette/ AIN boni or challenge log entries and occasionally throwing stuff on the MB that retainers brought back or that I dumped GC seals/ tomes on like new pot/ crafted gear mats or a map when I remembered to quickly hit a tree.

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You know how time is money correct? Im an omnicrafter, and a house owner and I spend a lot of my gil on materials and items I feel is too much of a waste of time to gather (especially timed nodes) or too complex to craft, along with trying to get all the crafted gear with pentameld. Yeah theres my gil sink

*figures out how to turn self into Sink*

I'm so frick'n broke.

https://i.imgur.com/5U5TZdY.jpg

Everytime I have to pay 1k for a simple tp im like "man... so many wasted gil :x" and you want even more huh!

Just sink your gil into poor little me! Win-Win.

There is a very easy and effective way to creating a gil sink that SE can do if they really want to tackle inflation:

- Each month, put a set of like 5 mog station items to a NPC vendor that can be bought with gil only for that month.

Run this for a year or two and I bet a large amount of gil in the game will disappear. This will effect their bottomline though so I doubt they'll do it.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

I spend Gil when I'm too lazy to gather or craft. Especially when new crafted gear is available and I want to craft it for all my retainers zZZ.

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That's not really a gil sink though. The MB is more of a gil transfer with a very small amount (tax) disappear. Only an NPC vendor can be a gil sink because they take the whole amount out of circulation

Gil doesn't have much value in this game, and I don't think its simply because there aren't enough gil sinks. The endgame gearing is completely untradeable, and a large house is only 50m. The only other need for gil is just a convenience if you want to buy food/pots off the marketboard instead of crafting them yourself.

If they add more value to gil, I would say yes indeed we need gil sinks. However for now its not really a problem. If someone wants to hold onto 20 billion gil in there many retainers, more power to them. Its meaningless XD

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Originally Posted by IckeDerTyp

Everytime I have to pay 1k for a simple tp im like "man... so many wasted gil :x" and you want even more huh!

Just sink your gil into poor little me! Win-Win.

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GC seals for teleport discounts and materials to do self gear repair. Saves on tons of money. Then you can also get free teleports to directly in front of the GC hall.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

That's not really a gil sink though. The MB is more of a gil transfer with a very small amount (tax) disappear. Only an NPC vendor can be a gil sink because they take the whole amount out of circulation

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True. I guess Gil is just one of the many currencies we have. I spend Tomestones and Crafters' Scrips more than I spend Gil. The Gil I spend on teleportation I earn back doing dailies & selling retainer venture items.

I can buy crafting mats with tomes/scrips & sell them for Gil. Which is lower value if you ask me. The time and effort put into grinding tomes and scrips only to earn Gil in return that I barely spend is meh.