Gold Saucer issues

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Originally Posted by dspguy

For reasons stated multiple times. This isn't something that needs to be addressed. If you want the rewards, do the time. No one is saying you have to play some mini-game 100,000 times or more to get to 10M. Follow what others have said and the MGP comes easy. It is only a grind if you let it be a grind.

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I was correct in assuming that a lot of the player base is thick. Nothing changes with he audience for MMOs.

OP claims to be interested in an "intelligent discussion" but is the only one here insulting people and building strawmen.

Why OP wants EVERYTHING that there is to buy with MGP is something i don't understand. How expensive it must be to buy everything that you can buy with gil... how about end game tomestones? These are even on a weekly limit!

Btw: Khloe's wondrous tails can give MGP when you get lines

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Originally Posted by BRVV

OP claims to be interested in an "intelligent discussion" but is the only one here insulting people and building strawmen.

Why OP wants EVERYTHING that there is to buy with MGP is something i don't understand. How expensive it must be to buy everything that you can buy with gil... how about end game tomestones? These are even on a weekly limit!

Btw: Khloe's wondrous tails can give MGP when you get lines

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When...you get line which is entirely dependent on RNG. Far from a reliable source of MGP as can be.

Come here for suggestions/debate. All i get is no one countering my arguments and coutner arguments essentially boiled down to old players saying gatekeeping is good no matter how much the value of rewards increase:) No reasoning as to why years should be added onto the grind...

Can you provide an argument as to why there should be no increase in MGP payouts to match the value of rewards increasing? especially regarding my points in the main post such as the open tournament rewards?

because you're not supposed to be getting everything available (why would want/need to have 1 of everything from the vendors) and certainly not right away and certainly not in any amount of short timespan. deliberate design decision. again, just because you start playing the game later does not give you license to demand everything asap.

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Originally Posted by Elevin

When...you get line which is entirely dependent on RNG. Far from a reliable source of MGP as can be.

Come here for suggestions/debate. All i get is no one countering my arguments and coutner arguments essentially boiled down to old players saying gatekeeping is good no matter how much the value of rewards increase:) No reasoning as to why years should be added onto the grind...

Can you provide an argument as to why there should be no increase in MGP payouts to match the value of rewards increasing? especially regarding my points in the main post such as the open tournament rewards?

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If everything would be easy to farm the game would loose half it's subscribers 2 weeks after each patch

Why should i give "counter arguments"? People already gave them to you and you act offended and claim everybody supports year long grinds.

You ignored my points btw. If you want to farm everything you can get with a currency then it is going to take a long time.

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Originally Posted by Elevin

Come here for suggestions/debate. All i get is no one countering my arguments and coutner arguments essentially boiled down to...

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People have been giving you counter arguments all along. Saying "you don't count" when you don't like the answer isn't debate. It's just arguing.

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Originally Posted by Elevin

Can you provide an argument as to why there should be no increase in MGP payouts to match the value of rewards increasing? especially regarding my points in the main post such as the open tournament rewards?

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Again, they do increase MGP payouts periodically. The MGP acquisition rate has increased dramatically over the years. You may think it's still to slow, and you're entitled to that opinion, but you're arguing as if they never increase payouts when the reality is different.

And as I said earlier, I do agree about Open Tournament rewards, but what exactly do you expect me to do about it?

Kinda seems like the primary problem here is somehow assuming, as a new player, that all MGP rewards should be obtainable in a relatively short time frame.

They're not. Whether you are new player or old player, they're expected to be a long grind.

You're upset because that could take you years? Yes, that is the intended design.

His entire premise seems to be that: he wants to farm only/mostly playing open tournaments, new prizes have been added over time and will in theory continue to be added therefore his rate of earning all the MGP must accelerate at an even greater pace, and anyone with experience playing the game isnt allowed to disagree with him because we've all had years to get a head start on earning MGP. Do open tournaments pay out enough? I dont enjoy open tournaments, so i couldnt tell you. I got the card, and i moved on. Im 3 cards from the mount(dreading the eventual memoria farm that i will likely save for last), believe me ive played enough triad. He also conveniently ignores the post by Darkmoonrise where he spells out how you can earn over 12 million MGP(thats a FULL cap plus 2 mil and change) in a year. And thats not including any MGP you might get from alternate sources like Khloe or the couple Mogtome events a year. Theyve been slowly adding rewards over 8 years, and you can get almost all of them(if you even want them) in one years time. YES, that sounds reasonable to me. To most of us.

Signed, another person who was MGP capped before they bought the Blackjack and has already earned more then a million back.

I'm doing my regular grind, taking my time.

Once a week I pop the MGP bonus +15% from squadron on a saturday night, I turn in the fashion show, I get the challenge log from the crystal tower or monster punch game, I turn in my jumbo cactpot and buy new tickets, getting the bonus if I happen to be here on time. I then do the mini cactpot and if it's a tournament week, I pop over to the tournament room and do the tournament. If it's NOT a tournament week, I collect my winnings (still in the 2 hour window from my item), and then pop into the tournament room to do the triple triad challenges all at once. Takes about an hour once a week.

On all other days I bother to log in, at some point I drop in, do the mini cactpot, turn in the cards, and if I happen to be there at 00, 20, or 40, I do the event.

I'm getting 100k a week, I'll get there. I'm at peace with this slow efortless progress.

What I don't do? They are right, I don't do open tournament, it causes me to miss both the 00 and 20 events, and gives less. If it gave platinum packs more often for first place I might. If the MGP was about double, I might. It's not a good use of my time. Course, that's what this game requires you to do, figure out what things are, and are not a good use of your time.

For anyone reading this thread that isn't the OP, if you came here looking for good advice on how to earn MGP, then read earlier posts that lay out reasonable ways to do it without grinding for hours endlessly.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

because you're not supposed to be getting everything available (why would want/need to have 1 of everything from the vendors) and certainly not right away and certainly not in any amount of short timespan. deliberate design decision. again, just because you start playing the game later does not give you license to demand everything asap.

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lol... okay 2013, I am certainly not asking for things to be handed to me on a silver plater, on the contrary, grinding for a reward can be a good thing. The problem as I pointed out quite clearly is that the devs have no time frame an average player should be able to accumulate MGP relative to the value of the prizes. If they say that they want the average player to take 3 years earning this stuff, then they need to increase those pay-outs accordingly to match that. The fact is that they don't seem to have a timescale in mind, and have added several million in rewards without increasing pay-outs. But the vast majority of people here are suggesting that such a thing need not happen and the one thing that you all have in common is that all your forum join dates suggests you have been playing this game for a long time... hence why your arguments come across as skewed and not really arguments as well as suggesting ridiculous things like wondrous tails and the Gold Saucer summer grind event. (I thought Yoshi P wanted people to be able to switch of the game and not spend their lives grinding in it).

My other arguments that have mostly been ignored was that some of the pay-outs are too low relative to time spent like with the open tournament for triple triad and should be increased. It seems the devs don't take into consideration time:reward. Hell, even if you make first place, you only get 2-3k max (trading cards in) for a tournmanet that can last up to 10 minutes. In that same time frame, you can make 5k from Leap of Faith for less than 5 minutes. On top of the Jumbo Cactpot glam which should be a reward from the achievement.

Now you can all bleat on like sheep that the devs have increased rewards in the past and will do so in the future...but it hasn't happened in the 1.5 years I have been playing despite the drastic increases in prize values. I honestly wish i had as much faith as you guys do in the devs...unfortunately this is the best but worst game i've ever played in my life. The best because story wise, social wise and game design wise, it is the best. The worst, since the user experience is god awful and something as simple as the retainer management at best had 1 tiny update that doesn't fix the fundamental issues of retainers...which is the terrible UX of them for a start. Lets not even get started on FC banks and other elements such as the friends list taking 10 seconds to load.


Anyway, i'm going to checkout of the forums now. They're pretty much dead with a few hangers on.

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Originally Posted by Elevin

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Translation: crying and insults

Status: Subject not willing to engage in discussion, ignoring responses.

Response: Block user

And back to 10M!

Let's make some math :

• The "Blackjack" mount came out January the 19th, that's 97 days ago. That's 14 weeks.
• The mount cost 4M, so I made 4M in those 14 weeks.
• I logged the time spent there and, by doing only the log book challenges (see this post for more details), it takes approximately 2h per week.
• side note 1: I didn't win the 1M with the Jumbo Cactpot
• side note 2: I did spent some MGP on the side for stuff like chocobo meal or cards but negligible next to the 4M.
• side note 3: I did miss a Verminion tournament and maybe 1-2 entries in the challenge log.

That means, if you smartly grind, you can earn

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285k MGP per week or 142k MGP per hour

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So we now have numbers, I let make your personal opinion if this is enough or not.

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Originally Posted by Darkmoonrise

And back to 10M!

So we now have numbers, I let make your personal opinion if this is enough or not.

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Thanks for sharing this here. For anyone that is not the OP, they'd likely recognize it as great information and lines up with what other posters have mentioned: Earning MGP is only a grind if you allow it to be.