Face it, this game is in maintenance mode now, i.e. managed decline

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Originally Posted by CStrife912

I responded above the issue there extends to the other issue with a lot of the Aussie playerbase not wanting to leave their mates etc on the Jap DCs so that's why they kept putting a ton of incentives for people to move over but I feel for now its proven more people would take the ping hit etc then move to a new world. Also just cause all houses aren't taken doesn't represent a dead world....my server is busy and yet there are gaps in housing in ishgard in my ward...some people don't want a small house or a medium its all or nothing with some people. I am not saying you're wrong its just a wider issue :)

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Dynamis is the new NA world, Materia is an entire different story.

And yes, thousands of houses not being taken including mediums and larges mean that the world is not healthy, its a good way to gauge interest in the world itself and its population

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

That doesn't change the fact that they decided to invest in new servers. The real problem is the new datacenters and the lack of cross-DC duty finder. They should have put the new servers in existing DCs, imo. And Materia should have existed 10 years ago! It's obvious that not many people are willing to move to new servers because of friends/FC/houses/economy/etc.

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They invested in new servers because the queues were hours long, and going back on those words is admitting that the game is already not as popular as it was back then so they wont do that, as for Materia I agree, they should be able to cross DC with NA or JP, one of the two, else no one will move

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

And yes, thousands of houses not being taken including mediums and larges mean that the world is not healthy, its a good way to gauge interest in the world itself and its population

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No, it does not mean that. That used to be the status for most servers some years ago. SInce then population has increased faster than amount of housing, but for new servers it will of course take a while to catch up population-wise.

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

The game is as popular as it was before the WoW exodus. The only mistake SE made was thinking they can keep the WoW players. They don't care about XIV, they just go after Asmongold like braindead sheep, lol.

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Oh, I dare say many WoW players will stay. A great many older FF14 players used to be WoW players after all, so some of the latest wave are likely to stick around too.
Then of course there is the great swarm of gamer-locusts that are forever moving on to whatever the newest shiny game is, only to move on as soon as soon as it isn't the newest thing around any more.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Oh, I dare say many WoW players will stay. A great many older FF14 players used to be WoW players after all, so some of the latest wave are likely to stick around too.
Then of course there is the great swarm of gamer-locusts that are forever moving on to whatever the newest shiny game is, only to move on as soon as soon as it isn't the newest thing around any more.

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thats been an issue since gaming became more "mainstream". typically they blast through content, complain there is nothing to do, and jump to another game before "boredom" sets in. its nothing new really

Kinda funny how we seem to get less and less content every patch. Like the total lack of exploratory content this expansion, for example.

The game may not be at the high levels it was at the end of SHB/star of EW, but did anyone think that would last forever? Hardly means the game is not on life support, especially given how its one of the only SE properties that seems to be making any money. I would say as long as the game has active subscriber it can go on, like FFXI is. Plus if I believed every thread on a MMO forum said its game was dead then WoW would have been gone before Burning Crusade.

Besides, we are all the worst people to judge the game on its state, because I very much doubt anyone here is free of bias opinions on that matter.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

The game may not be at the high levels it was at the end of SHB/star of EW, but did anyone think that would last forever? Hardly means the game is not on life support, especially given how its one of the only SE properties that seems to be making any money. I would say as long as the game has active subscriber it can go on, like FFXI is. Plus if I believed every thread on a MMO forum said its game was dead then WoW would have been gone before Burning Crusade.

Besides, we are all the worst people to judge the game on its state, because I very much doubt anyone here is free of bias opinions on that matter.

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Valid points, the game is more then making money...its the only thing consistently making them so much money it balances out their deficits elsewhere for the most part. This is their golden goose... and ONLY high money maker currently. WoW was on a mass decline and the exodus yet dragonflight did SOME things right and now they are flourishing granted their numbers are skewed due to the classics being added in to.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I would certainly choose Forspoken's story over Endwalker's, at any rate. While its gameplay is said to suffer it cannot possibly be worse than certain FFXIV jobs at the moment.

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That legit made me laugh.

HEY SKIROS IS BACK!

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

That legit made me laugh.

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The funny thing is, my friends who've played forspoken said the game is fine.
shit just got overblown by edgelords.

Imagine actually saying the game is in maintenance mode yet still getting regular patches. What a garbage troll

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

You spelled Hogwarts Legacy wrong. Although the game I go back to the most these days is Deep Rock Galactic. ROCK AND STONE!

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DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?

God damn, would you guys please stop feeding this forum troll already?

It's just sad shit posting at this point.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Kinda funny how we seem to get less and less content every patch. Like the total lack of exploratory content this expansion, for example.

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They've already stated why we aren't getting it though. Instead we are getting Deep Dungeon and got the Island Sanctuary. Resources are a finite thing. If they focus on one thing it means not focusing on another. Now that isn't to say that there are some hints to the team pulling back a bit, though I'd reckon that's likely due to many of them also being on the FF16 team as well. But at the end of the day, large pieces of content like that are always going to be swapped for others at times due to the lack of resources.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Imagine actually saying the game is in maintenance mode yet still getting regular patches. What a garbage troll

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............I agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

They've already stated why we aren't getting it though. Instead we are getting Deep Dungeon and got the Island Sanctuary. Resources are a finite thing. If they focus on one thing it means not focusing on another. Now that isn't to say that there are some hints to the team pulling back a bit, though I'd reckon that's likely due to many of them also being on the FF16 team as well. But at the end of the day, large pieces of content like that are always going to be swapped for others at times due to the lack of resources.

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Is it really confirmed that dev resources are being used for FF16?

I think They pulled some of the team over but I would have to look it up to confirm

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?

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ROCK AND STONE FOREVER! YEAAAAAAH!

I've played a lot of MMOs. The main difference between content updates in XIV and in other games I've played... is accessibility.

Content in XI would take months to complete, simply because it was difficult (no duty finder, higher challenge, actual penalties for failing, etc). For example, I remember when Chains of Promathia was released and the 3 Promyvion zones. People weren't running them on Day 1. Or Day 2. Or Day 3. First you had to farm up the materials/gil to buy the new gear that would make your job viable in those zones. Then wait for Friday - Sunday timeframe to get other people to actually run the zone.

It wasn't like new content here where we clear the new dungeon, 24-man, trial in a few hours.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

I've played a lot of MMOs. The main difference between content updates in XIV and in other games I've played... is accessibility.

Content in XI would take months to complete, simply because it was difficult (no duty finder, higher challenge, actual penalties for failing, etc). For example, I remember when Chains of Promathia was released and the 3 Promyvion zones. People weren't running them on Day 1. Or Day 2. Or Day 3. First you had to farm up the materials/gil to buy the new gear that would make your job viable in those zones. Then wait for Friday - Sunday timeframe to get other people to actually run the zone.

It wasn't like new content here where we clear the new dungeon, 24-man, trial in a few hours.

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While that is nice that they could do that...its also in a way artificially created challenge...like I am sure if 14 did that now it wouldn't bode well them patching the game and being like hey need to craft the gear needed to go to the zone or if an expansion launched the story was like cant continue till you are ilvl X or above. I will say it needs to dip in some manor its toes into the sort of grinds 11 or older MMOs provided...but with a more modern outlook. The way we as players engage with games has changed, the world has changed playing games in the early 2000s isn't the same as now...its a way different landscape.

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Originally Posted by CStrife912

While that is nice that they could do that...its also in a way artificially created challenge...like I am sure if 14 did that now it wouldn't bode well them patching the game and being like hey need to craft the gear needed to go to the zone or if an expansion launched the story was like cant continue till you are ilvl X or above. I will say it needs to dip in some manor its toes into the sort of grinds 11 or older MMOs provided...but with a more modern outlook. The way we as players engage with games has changed, the world has changed playing games in the early 2000s isn't the same as now...its a way different landscape.

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I completely agree.

I never felt that the content added in XI (or EQ, EQ2, LOTRO, etc) was really all that much to begin with. It just took longer to complete the added content. Personally, I think that the reason MMO subscriptions are up is because the games are more accessible (in part, easier). You don't need to set aside large swaths of time at a specific time to actually complete it.

We set the times we want to raid.
We don't need to re-earn the experience lost.
We don't need to re-farm tokens from other raid bosses lost when we failed to clear.
We don't even need to travel to where the raid is.

Mind you, these are just raid-specific comments. It goes beyond that. I'm not insinuating that raiding is easy. However, it IS very accessible to the playerbase.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Imagine actually saying the game is in maintenance mode yet still getting regular patches. What a garbage troll

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Imagine him saying it yet continuing to shitpost on the forums.

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Originally Posted by Hycinthus

Is it really confirmed that dev resources are being used for FF16?

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Yes and no. It is confirmed that CBU3 is the Dev team for FF16 as well as FF14, and several of the prominent members of the team are working on both. While it's not a 'resources' thing per se a person can still only reasonably accomplish so much in a day.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I would certainly choose Forspoken's story over Endwalker's, at any rate. While its gameplay is said to suffer it cannot possibly be worse than certain FFXIV jobs at the moment.

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Best proof ever that Aveyond is just a troll lol.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Best proof ever that Aveyond is just a troll lol.

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I was going to say there is way more evidence that they are but sure this adds to the ongoing pile of their questionable existence lol

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Hop over to fresh new 10/10 games like Forspoken

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I'll take you over Aveyond any day buddy.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I'll take you over Aveyond any day buddy.

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https://i.ibb.co/z7Q65Yf/23.png

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Hop over to fresh new 10/10 games like Forspoken

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And? This game is a theme park MMO.

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Originally Posted by hagare

HEY SKIROS IS BACK!



The funny thing is, my friends who've played forspoken said the game is fine.
shit just got overblown by edgelords.

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Not for me it isn't. I'm tired of boring, lifeless maps where all you do is run to a spot that is marked on your map to press X or boring enemies that only run towards you. And the MC is unbearable. I have a high tolerance for banter and usually like the cast of an given game but she's just an insufferable *****. lol
Apart from that it's crazy bad design if your MC actively hates everything while you as the player want to explore. Such a disconnect. It's like Fallout 4 all over again. I played the demo, saw what it amounted to and deleted it after 30 minutes. The Ubisoft formula needs to die in a fire.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I'll take you over Aveyond any day buddy.

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I agree. Skiros is at least funny. Aveyond... eh. lol

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I'll take you over Aveyond any day buddy.

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There is an art form to trolling. Aveyond has never known the art. Skiros is a master grade artist. It's why I don't have Skiros on ignore, he's always entertaining.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

You spelled Hogwarts Legacy wrong. Although the game I go back to the most these days is Deep Rock Galactic. ROCK AND STONE!

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How old are you guys..........

As for the OP, Forpsoken looks solid; combat reminds me of BDO. And the model is BAAAAAAD, the good bad.

The Kens hate it though.....or anything with women or the color Black........

I took your post as sarcasm though OP; for all its' flaws, SE's MMO are what seems to be holding up the company.

https://retrothing.typepad.com/.a/6a...d8729d9970b-pi

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Originally Posted by MonsutaMan

How old are you guys..........

As for the OP, Forpsoken looks solid; combat reminds me of BDO. And the model is BAAAAAAD, the good bad.

The Kens hate it though.....or anything with women or the color Black........

I took your post as sarcasm though OP; for all its' flaws, SE's MMO are what seems to be holding up the company.

https://retrothing.typepad.com/.a/6a...d8729d9970b-pi

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His post isn't sarcasm. It's troll bait. He's one of the famous forum trolls.

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Originally Posted by Lunalepsy

And? This game is a theme park MMO.

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Boring themepark. It only has like 3 rides. And no popcorn stands. Not even a Dippin Dots kiosk. They keep renovating it with new areas but keep on putting in the same roller coasters and bumper cars but paint it a different color and call it something else.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

There is an art form to trolling. Aveyond has never known the art. Skiros is a master grade artist. It's why I don't have Skiros on ignore, he's always entertaining.

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Skiros has good taste in the images he posts. If he's a troll, at least he's a cultured troll. 10/10 signature.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Boring themepark. It only has like 3 rides. And no popcorn stands. Not even a Dippin Dots kiosk. They keep renovating it with new areas but keep on putting in the same roller coasters and bumper cars but paint it a different color and call it something else.

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yet here you are sitting at the parking lot asking mommy and daddy when can you leave, until you realize sooner or later you didnt have your parents accompanying you and youre an adult and you drove here yourself. Its delusional.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

yet here you are sitting at the parking lot asking mommy and daddy when can you leave, until you realize sooner or later you didnt have your parents accompanying you and youre an adult and you drove here yourself. Its delusional.

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...589&height=603

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Originally Posted by Skiros

https://i.ibb.co/z7Q65Yf/23.png

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ABSolutely

https://i.ibb.co/nB64FY4/shakeee.jpg

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

Skiros has good taste in the images he posts. If he's a troll, at least he's a cultured troll. 10/10 signature.

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you guys are doing the worst thing imaginable to trolls. Given them praise and attention.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

you guys are doing the worst thing imaginable to trolls. Given them praise and attention.

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Not like the place is much better when he's not here. At least when Skiros says stupid stuff he does it intentionally.