Hotfixes all the time now

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

And why would anyone think that considering it's been working just fine for years? In an MMO, there are literally millions of things you can try and still not find all the bugs. That isn't "bad QA" that's just life. Every program will have that issue.

Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerH...ks_into_a_bar/

Read the post and the top comment. That's actually a good example of how shit can happen.

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as a developer I love that sub

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

I don't even bother anymore. Speaking of which, are you telling me that none of the devs thought, "Hmm, what would happen if the leader of any crossworld anything were to delete their account or their account were to deactivate?" OP is right, QA is dead. WE are the QA, lmao.

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Have you heard of an operating system called Windows and it's produced by Microsoft and is owned by Bill Gates?

We, end users, normal people, which probably includes you, do QA for them.

But you probably care more for one program named FFXIV than your OS.

*reads the thread*
All I'm going to say is why did Cyberpunk get such a hard time? Cd Project could not have seen EVERY issue out there! lol

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Have you heard of an operating system called Windows and it's produced by Microsoft and is owned by Bill Gates?

We, end users, normal people, which probably includes you, do QA for them.

But you probably care more for one program named FFXIV than your OS.

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I was going to point this out as well...

but you know.. as they say.. Microsoft is a "small indie company with no real income..."

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

*reads the thread*
All I'm going to say is why did Cyberpunk get such a hard time? Cd Project could not have seen EVERY issue out there! lol

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Because it was overpromised and underdelivered, and clearly not ready for release to boot. :p It certainly got a lot of attention since, but CDPR decided to drop it and move on to other things, and that sorta took out whatever wind was left in those sails. I think a lot of people were under the impression that they had more and bigger plans for the game. Instead, CDPR cut their losses.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

*reads the thread*
All I'm going to say is why did Cyberpunk get such a hard time? Cd Project could not have seen EVERY issue out there! lol

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why? they released it KNOWING it had issues.. but thought the hype would gloss it over. they could not have found every issue no. but they KNEW there were major flaws and pushed it out the door anyway. thats why it got such a hard time. they didnt have "hotfix" issues, they had oft reported problems that they simply figured didnt matter. they went the Blizz route of identifying problems and releasing a defective productanyway, thinking to "fix on the fly"

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Originally Posted by Xerkrosis

Am I the only one who irks at the term "Hotfix", when the service is shut down for hours when the fix is being applied?

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This is standard in software development. It's a hotfix because it's an update applied outside of the normal release schedule. The terminology isn't based on how long it takes.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

There is no exact definition what "hotfix" means. But usually it means, that there is a bug in a software, which has to be fixed as soon as possible.


Cheers

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Exactly. It's something that bypasses the normal schedule. It's not really tied to a hot or cold system anymore. It's not always a bug, too. We have customer-facing features that go into place and the deadlines by which the customers need those features doesn't always allow us to do them on the normal release schedule. So they get applied in hotfixes between releases to keep up with customer demand. And sometimes those hotfixes require the system to be restarted or down for a small amount of time. The term has definitely morphed from its original meaning.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

1 - if there's been an increase in the amount of hotfixes, then it doesn't matter that there's been hotfixes in the past, an increase in frequency means something's up

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Not necessarily. If you increase the complexity of the system, you increase the corner cases that could go wrong. If you go from a self-contained system where you control those to changes recently like cloud computing, API calls, data transmitting between multiple systems, you open yourself up to potential for a lot more bugs. My company is going through this right now migrating from an older system to a more modular setup in the cloud. We went from two systems communicating with one system as the database of record to about four systems communicating and different systems being the database of record that all need to pass data to the other systems since those systems use that data. Our team isn't any less dedicated. They've just started making it harder to catch everything.

I'll just assume you're new because ever since A Realm Awoken, there's always a short hotfix patch shortly after.

The Hotfixes seem about the same.
A new Patch Comes out, a few days later, typically at the end of the week they announce a Hotfix

I cant prove anything (because Im not a Dev at, nor do I work in Creative Business III) but I figure the Hotfix is just some ironing out and. Because its one thing to Q/A in an isolated area, its another thing for the whole code to go live on a whole active Database.
Plus Q/A or game testers will never catch EVERYTHING before release.

People complain about hotfixes, until one is needed for something you love to do.

Like savage they hadn't needed one in a long time.

The recent one for losing entire linkshells if the owner's sub expired is definitely what I consider hotfix territory, that doesn't need to wait a month.