6.2...thats it?

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

Well that's just blatantly incorrect. We'll have Savage next week, and then nothing until 6.25 comes out 2 months from now. And I find it rather convenient that they hold back the rest of the 6.2 content until half way through the sub period between main patches...

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Welcome to MMO content design and padding. This is how just about every MMO works.

All this fuss over 15$ / month. A sub here is probably the least expensive thing people got going. If it's that much of a problem, something needs to be sorted out in their life.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I really wish they could provide all the content of the patch, IN the actual patch, instead of putting them in 6.21 and 6.25 and stuff. Just feels like they are trying to streeetch out peoples subs.

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Then I would be forced to decide which content to do first and I don't like having to decide that. There is certain content that is more fun on the first day when nobody knows what to do and if you have to choose what to do on the first day, you miss out on that experience. We would have bigger gaps of nothing new.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

No matter how much content is added in a patch there will always be no lifers that blast through it in a day and then complain that there's no content.

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This is true. You can never please everyone. Imo the patch so far (since we haven't got all yet) seems pretty solid.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

fix legacy sub?...wut?

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Even a lower discount? lol

Oh so the whole argumenet boils down to "I wanna play an MMO only 1 month a year" which....
1- is not how MMOs work
2- if everybody was like you they'd have failed financially 9 years ago

MMOs give you content in a way to keep you playing all year around and always subbed/logging (yes, mmos without a sub do the same, they even have login rewards to keep you logging every single day). If you wanna burn huge amounts of content all at once and then leave, maybe offline games are more your thing.

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Oh so the whole argumenet boils down to "I wanna play an MMO only 1 month a year" which....
1- is not how MMOs work
2- if everybody was like you they'd have failed financially 9 years ago

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If you wanna burn huge amounts of content all at once and then leave, maybe offline games are more your thing.

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YoshiP begs to differ.

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Yoshida "It's alright not to play it everyday. Since it's just a game, you can stop forcing yourself if it's hard on you to keep that up. Rather, it'll just pile up unnecessary stress if you limit yourself into playing just that one game since there are so many other games out there. So, do come back and play it to your heart's content when the major patch kicks in, then stop it to play other games before you got burnt out, and then come back for another major patch. This will actually make me happier, and in the end, I think this is the best solution I can answer for keeping your motivation up for the game."

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Oh so the whole argumenet boils down to "I wanna play an MMO only 1 month a year" which....
1- is not how MMOs work
2- if everybody was like you they'd have failed financially 9 years ago

MMOs give you content in a way to keep you playing all year around and always subbed/logging (yes, mmos without a sub do the same, they even have login rewards to keep you logging every single day). If you wanna burn huge amounts of content all at once and then leave, maybe offline games are more your thing.

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if your MMO is WoW this might hold true with all the dailies and weeklies. in this game it's pretty casual and you could probably do play in periods and still not really fall behind that much to nolifers.

I remember when stuff came out on time instead of being delayed to the .x5 patches. Got to love those unnecessary adjustment to the MSQ

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

YoshiP begs to differ.

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You can sub once per major patch like Yoshi-P suggests even though some things are released in 6.25. Just do it in 6.3, it's side content anyways. They are not going to design things to be as convenient as possible for people who only sub for 3 months out of a year.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

YoshiP begs to differ.

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Oh of course, people keep bringing up that quote for whatever
Yoshi-P never said:we're only gonna do an update a year, with all the content dumped at once, so you only need to play once a year. Content patches are made so to keep people engaged and spread the content out. Housing timers also make it so that people stay subbed.
Otherwise they could just sell expansions, put the whole expansion there without doing any other patch, and make people only play 1 month every few years and done. Lovely, eh?
Taking breaks is very different from asking the game to drop all content at once instead of requiring you to be subbed for more thna one month at a time.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

if your MMO is WoW this might hold true with all the dailies and weeklies. in this game it's pretty casual and you could probably do play in periods and still not really fall behind that much to nolifers.

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You completely missed the point.

With how much time people want the game to occupy them for. They don't want a patch, they want an expansion.
People clear the expansion in the first week of release pretty often. When you no life a game it takes no time. So why in the world should a patch keep you as busy as an actual expansion that you pay for? People's expectations are the problem here.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

(yes, mmos without a sub do the same, they even have login rewards to keep you logging every single day). If you wanna burn huge amounts of content all at once and then leave, maybe offline games are more your thing.

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This may be a hot take but when did people find daily log in bs acceptable in a MMO where you pay monthly? Was this after corporations found out they can get away with the cash shop?

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

This may be a hot take but when did people find daily log in bs acceptable in a MMO where you pay monthly? Was this after corporations found out they can get away with the cash shop?

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Wait, what sub games do login rewards? I was just talking about the free ones.
But then I think the only sub-based mmos left are FFXIV and WoW?

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Originally Posted by FireMage

I remember when stuff came out on time instead of being delayed to the .x5 patches. Got to love those unnecessary adjustment to the MSQ

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I want to know when you're talking about because .x5 patches have almost always been where side content gets added. Every relic except for Zodiac launched on a .x5, every tribal quest was released on a .x5

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

This may be a hot take but when did people find daily log in bs acceptable in a MMO where you pay monthly? Was this after corporations found out they can get away with the cash shop?

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I mean WoW:The Burning Crusade had daily quests that served as dungeon bonuses to give people incentive to log in every day and that was over a decade ago. Sooooo maybe this is not something new?

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Wait, what sub games do login rewards? I was just talking about the free ones.
But then I think the only sub-based mmos left are FFXIV and WoW?

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There is XI and their log in rewards. Don't want to miss that exclusive trust that is only available this month! That said, I would also count dailies/weeklies as log in rewards since if you don't log in that day or week then you lose tokens/gear/exp since you didn't do your daily/weekly tasks. :/

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Originally Posted by hobostew

I mean WoW:The Burning Crusade had daily quests that served as dungeon bonuses to give people incentive to log in every day and that was over a decade ago. Sooooo maybe this is not something new?

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Yeah, and there was a sizeable amount of people calling it out for what it was. Guess what, they got drowned out until that sort of system became synonymous with MMOs. It was like horse armor, you had people who saw the writing on the wall but for one person that saw where this sort of trend would lead there were 20 more going "it's only 5 dollar bro, what are you? Poor?". Not like I can suddenly convince people that a 10+ year trend is bad. lol

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Wait, what sub games do login rewards? I was just talking about the free ones.
But then I think the only sub-based mmos left are FFXIV and WoW?

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SWTOR is freemium, but since endgame pretty much requires a sub, i'm going to count it as a sub game, and it does have a daily login reward program that's pretty much a carbon copy of mobile game ones

Everquest 2 added daily challenges a while back (probably around the same time as WoW). You earn loyalty tokens to trade in for rewards.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Wait, what sub games do login rewards? I was just talking about the free ones.
But then I think the only sub-based mmos left are FFXIV and WoW?

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Elder Scrolls Online does daily log in rewards and has an optional sub if you dont want to outright buy expacs.

Yeah ok all the mentioned ones have very optonal sub, apart from SWTOR which I admit is more free to try than free to play. Other than that, all f2p have optional sub, but that doesn't make them games wheer you have to pay monthly. Oh yeah XI keeps escaping me cause I keep forgetting it exists, and I had no clue it had login rewards.
EQ2 has been free for a long time last I checked.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Yeah ok all the mentioned ones have very optonal sub, apart from SWTOR which I admit is more free to try than free to play. Other than that, all f2p have optional sub, but that doesn't make them games wheer you have to pay monthly. Oh yeah XI keeps escaping me cause I keep forgetting it exists, and I had no clue it had login rewards.
EQ2 has been free for a long time last I checked.

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EQ2 is free, but severely limited. You have to sub to be able to do the high end content as you're limited to a maximum rarity level on gear. Unless you keep up with expansions, you're always two behind. The veteran reward clock also doesn't tick. Subbing also gets you 500 of their cash shop currency every month.

If none of this matters, it's just a nice place to hang out and play around with things like housing.

I brought this game up as they were the first to really work on incentives to stay subscribed while also making it fairly easy for people to try it out. Spreading the content out as XIV does might be a drag for some, but it works out better for everyone, as there's seldom any kind of dead time, as there was in the old expansion model.

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Originally Posted by Tabmow

wow how short was this patch? i was enjoying the update and couldnt believe it ended so soon.

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I agree. I was expecting at least 2 expansions of content in this patch.

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

I want to know when you're talking about because .x5 patches have almost always been where side content gets added. Every relic except for Zodiac launched on a .x5, every tribal quest was released on a .x5

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Nope. Beast tribes were for main patch drops. Same with custom deliveries