FFXIV - Buried Memory (Poster)

WoL: "Calm down, just think about him without his mask on."
WoL: "OH NO HE'S HOT!"

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Originally Posted by XiRon

> already
shoulda got there in 6.1 but the writing in this game has to drag crap out as long as possible.
We've BEEN to the void via the Mhach Raids already unless Dun Scaith is actually some ancient Eorzean city that...never comes up once in msq

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Dun Scaith from what I recall was an island refuge for the Mhachi people, though they never arrived due to the tragedy of the Void Ark.

I am surprised you bring up Dun Scaith and not World of Darkness, which is absolutely unequivocally the Void.

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

Dun Scaith from what I recall was an island refuge for the Mhachi people, though they never arrived due to the tragedy of the Void Ark.

I am surprised you bring up Dun Scaith and not World of Darkness, which is absolutely unequivocally the Void.

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I keep thinking about Leofard in the next Tataru quest and forgot WoD existed.
Ive been blessed I havent gotten CT raids all week.

Dun Scaith is just built by people with void-themed decorating tastes.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

WoL: "Calm down, just think about him without his mask on."
WoL: "OH NO HE'S HOT!"

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I know right? I'm trying desperately to stick to my "I hate him with every fibre of my being and glad he became an aether snack for Thordan.." and yet, now... all I see is "The Most Interesting Man in the World crossed with Sean Connery."

First Emet and now Lahabrea. Damnit SE, stop making villians that I formerly loved to hate now just I love! :D

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

Dun Scaith from what I recall was an island refuge for the Mhachi people, though they never arrived due to the tragedy of the Void Ark.

I am surprised you bring up Dun Scaith and not World of Darkness, which is absolutely unequivocally the Void.

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Heck, we even go there as a rdm quest.

I don't think the one at the bottom is a red-haired one, to me it just looks like the whole figure his under red light (to intensify the drama?), so could easily be white hair/just lahabea's evil reflection.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

There's orbs around/behind the crazy redhead, but are they orbs or eyes?

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They don't look like eyes to me, they also all have different colors, which might just be an artist thing of the picture but it might also mean something.They're also buried in that mass I don't know what to amke of but...kinda looks like hair? I hope it's not.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I like Lahabrea's design. It sort of reminds me of Geralt of Rivia.

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Same. It's better than expected. Just hope the story is good and not more ancients bad/doomed twaddle/more Broken Aesop moments.

I do wonder if Athena is the driving force here rather than Laha, perhaps being behind whatever is overtaking the facility. Assuming the lower part of the image is deliberate design choices (and not like sticking Laha onto the Eden poster), his mask there is not a Convocation one. To me, the image is quite reminiscent of the model most commonly associated with him; I think it may be the red light just giving the impression of red hair. I could see it being whatever is in Pandaemonium tapping into the desires of his younger self - maybe even manipulating buried affection for Athena - and creating a twisted clone/simulacrum out of it, or even warping him temporarily to justify a fight with him at full power. The alternative of present timeline Laha somehow making it in there and bodyjacking a host isn't impossible (Ishikawa left some wiggle room for it here - note what she's saying about Hades and how that turned out) but given what happened to Hesperos, the former possibility makes more logical sense to me.

Next live letter is in Aug 12th

https://youtu.be/LSF-0NsvuU8

I wish the writers would move onto something new instead of the latest, convoluted Ascian sob story. It's a dead horse that's been Sundered and beaten into the aether at this point.

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Originally Posted by Puksi

I wish the writers would move onto something new instead of the latest, convoluted Ascian sob story. It's a dead horse that's been Sundered and beaten into the aether at this point.

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Me too, but this series of normal raids is about them so..can't really change it halfway.

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Originally Posted by Puksi

I wish the writers would move onto something new instead of the latest, convoluted Ascian sob story. It's a dead horse that's been Sundered and beaten into the aether at this point.

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Funny, we too wish they'd move on to better plot points. Unfortunately, we're very much stuck with the Scions for 10 more years. Wonder if it'll take all 10 years for them to show some more meaningful character development.

Btw, let us not forget it was the Sundered and their benefactors who "Beat the Ancients into the aether". Wonder how much complaint you'd show if say..... the next Vauthry was the one with some lame-o-zoid fanfiction sob story. But then, surely the devs and GCBTW would never do THAT, right? :3

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

The way the hair blends inn to the cthulhu looking thing on the bottom makes me guess that whoever that is suppose to be turned himself into the beast.

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Of all the things I'd expect in a raid patch, I didn't expect to find out that Ultros was an Ancient too.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Of all the things I'd expect in a raid patch, I didn't expect to find out that Ultros was an Ancient too.

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Plot twists never end

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Of all the things I'd expect in a raid patch, I didn't expect to find out that Ultros was an Ancient too.

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Is it sad that I want this legitimately?

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Originally Posted by Puksi

I wish the writers would move onto something new instead of the latest, convoluted Ascian sob story. It's a dead horse that's been Sundered and beaten into the aether at this point.

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Boy arent we all excited for the plot twist of the Myths of the Realm story being theyre all Venats buddies?
all the gods are human, Azemya is the goddess of one of the miqote but has no catears or tail like nobody shouldnt expect the alliance series to be anything but underwhelming and obvious.
None of the 12 have anything to do with Aura, Viera or Hrothgar so I didnt care to begin with like you did add three new races since arr can we please shut up about ff11 races Im so bored.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

None of the 12 have anything to do with Aura, Viera or Hrothgar

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Surprisingly, the gods of Eorzea have nothing to do with the races that only recently arrived on Eorzea.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Surprisingly, the gods of Eorzea have nothing to do with the races that only recently arrived on Eorzea.

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And yet we still have to use an eorzean deity in our character sheet in the creation menu instead of anything having to do with our race make it make sense

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Originally Posted by XiRon

And yet we still have to use an eorzean deity in our character sheet in the creation menu instead of anything having to do with our race make it make sense

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An entirely cosmetic option that affects nothing, so they didn't bother to change it when adding new races. I think it used to affect elemental resistances, but since those were removed, it's just a leftover that only exists for flavor.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

And yet we still have to use an eorzean deity in our character sheet in the creation menu instead of anything having to do with our race make it make sense

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Because your race has no connection to your chosen deity (really the only race that has any specific connection to one of the Twelve are the miqo'te, with the Sunseekers devoted to Azeyma and the Moonkeepers to Menphina respectively - Guardian deity is more connected to a city rather than a racial group in Eorzea, but you are under absolutely no obligation to choose that one specifically, which one you choose is up to you),.

You take a member of the Twelve as your guardian because it's considered a cultural thing to do so for travellers upon arriving in Eorzea, "when in Rome do as the Romans do" and all that, and especially so when joining up as an adventurer.

Chosen guardian no longer has any connection to gameplay anyway so if you dislike it that much just ignore it on the character sheet.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

You take a member of the Twelve as your guardian because it's considered a cultural thing to do so for travellers upon arriving in Eorzea, "when in Rome do as the Romans do" and all that, and especially so when joining up as an adventurer.

Chosen guardian no longer has any connection to gameplay anyway so if you dislike it that much just ignore it on the character sheet.

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Thats stupid.
Nobody and up identifies under a new religious identity when they travel what?
Oh sure I'll just change my spirituality to fit in, its fun, its cool.
Its just more of the writers not adapting to new races. Your "hometown" as a hrothgar or viera or auri is whatever city you start in, despite being the singular member of your race in all of eorzea, unless you do the warrior, gnb, or white mage questlines.
I really think its more than time the writing of the game reflect the reality of the players and add in a/v/h lore into Eorzea instead of whatever expansion zone they smack them in.
Not of course that it matters, they already sent the bar for MotR into hell by not having Azemya have any miqote traits (unless you wanna be generous and say Byregot resembles a roe) so hooray...more Ascians who are just remodeled hyur and earless elezen, I hope the design team doesnt wear themselves out being creative.
(Also aint it cute that not a single ascian uses the Roe model despite roes having almost nothing separating them from hyurs? Show your bias more guys!)

Lotta mad there over something that has no affect on anything whatsoever, but you do you.

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Originally Posted by XiRon

Nobody and up identifies under a new religious identity when they travel what?
Oh sure I'll just change my spirituality to fit in, its fun, its cool.
Its just more of the writers not adapting to new races.

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I don't think it's the "writers not adapting", it's the character template that seems very rigid.

As for "changing your spirituality to fit the location", I don't think that is the case. Rather, in a world where everyone seems to believe that multiple gods exist, and are often associated with a specific place, then it's more about paying tribute to the local god while you're visiting their territory. It's a totally different starting mindset to the idea of being loyal to a single god to ensure your place in the afterlife.

As for the Twelve, if they came into existence in the time before the modern races exist, then it's unlikely for them to resemble the modern races. Maybe they're ancients, maybe they're constructs of the ancients, but if they date from that time then it's not strange that they look that way. (Although Nald'thal is a complete oddity in this aspect, looking more like a living statue than a person.)

What little we've been told so far indicates that the "real" Twelve existed before the Eorzeans ever worshipped them, and the religions developed out of genuine sightings of those beings – so Azeyma has no reason to resemble the people who started to worship her after she already came into being. The Miqo'te may be primarily sun-worshippers who adopted Azeyma as patron because she is the local sun goddess.

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Originally Posted by Puksi

I wish the writers would move onto something new instead of the latest, convoluted Ascian sob story. It's a dead horse that's been Sundered and beaten into the aether at this point.

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Yeah, I'm not sure why the writers don't just leave a story thread they started and go on to something else. We don't even really know what going on in Pande yet so how can you call it a sob story? The Pande story is in fact new so I'm not sure what you're really asking for.

On the topic of the art itself it's quite interesting. Maybe Laha has some sort of Dr. Jeckll Mr. Hyde thing going on.

Considering every Ascian story has went from generic Bob Evil (insert number here) to a retconned (and convoluted) sob story, call it a wild hunch. Kingdom Hearts called, they want their Organization XIII back.

Midas already did the Jekyll and Hyde cliche thanks to Bahamut, really. As for abandoning storylines, Bozja says hi.

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Originally Posted by Puksi

Considering every Ascian story has went from generic Bob Evil (insert number here) to a retconned (and convoluted) sob story, call it a wild hunch. Kingdom Hearts called, they want their Organization XIII back.

Midas already did the Jekyll and Hyde cliche thanks to Bahamut, really. As for abandoning storylines, Bozja says hi.

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The kH joke is overplayed dude. Find a better thing to parrot. What was even retconned about the Ascians exactly and how does it all just turn into a sob story? I understand some of you desperately want to turn everything you don't like into a version of KH by disregarding key details but come on...

And while we didn't get to finish it, we DID get a Bozja conclusion via notes. Sorry to say that'd not going to happen with Pande as it's a raid series. If you don't like it skip it.

The KH joke is probably "overplayed" because it's accurate. In a Famitsu interview, Yoshida and Ishikawa freely admitted the team had zero idea what the Ascians were for except a shallow plot device, clear up to Shadowbringers--at which point apparently the idea became "plot twist: what if bad, but SAD".

Yoshida: “We don’t have detailed lore yet for what the Ascians’ goals are, so let’s just have them be doing bad stuff in the background.”

So, to clarify, the entire time clear through Stormblood, the only thing they knew was Ascians were Bob Evils in a bog-standard plot, wearing black hooded robes like the other convoluted Square property. For the first three expansions of this game, there were deeper villains in SatAM cartoons. Heart Of Sabik? Never heard of him. Ascian Prime? Rule of cool. All the Ascians of the cups and saucers and kitchen sinks and whatnot? Who knows? Not the writers!

Which is probably why Yoshida expressed surprise that anyone analyzes the "details" of the Ascians now, and the long-vaunted Zodiark was an underwhelming trial boss.

Beating the dead Sundered horse for fanservice works for some, obviously. I'd rather they get on with the brand new stuff they've been hyping up. I don't care what new reason Lahabrea has for doing what he did, just like the writers themselves didn't care when he actually did it.

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Originally Posted by Puksi

The KH joke is probably "overplayed" because it's accurate. In a Famitsu interview, Yoshida and Ishikawa freely admitted the team had zero idea what the Ascians were for except a shallow plot device, clear up to Shadowbringers--at which point apparently the idea became "plot twist: what if bad, but SAD".

Yoshida: “We don’t have detailed lore yet for what the Ascians’ goals are, so let’s just have them be doing bad stuff in the background.”

So, to clarify, the entire time clear through Stormblood, the only thing they knew was Ascians were Bob Evils in a bog-standard plot, wearing black hooded robes like the other convoluted Square property. For the first three expansions of this game, there were deeper villains in SatAM cartoons. Heart Of Sabik? Never heard of him. Ascian Prime? Rule of cool. All the Ascians of the cups and saucers and kitchen sinks and whatnot? Who knows? Not the writers!

Which is probably why Yoshida expressed surprise that anyone analyzes the "details" of the Ascians now, and the long-vaunted Zodiark was an underwhelming trial boss.

Beating the dead Sundered horse for fanservice works for some, obviously. I'd rather they get on with the brand new stuff they've been hyping up. I don't care what new reason Lahabrea has for doing what he did, just like the writers themselves didn't care when he actually did it.

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None of what you said translates to KH (sorry but black robes is quite a shallow reasoning). But all in all like I said, skip it if you don't like it.

Thirteen bad Square randos popping here and there mysteriously to "do bad things" while clad in black hooded edgelord robes sure doesn't sound at all like the other thirteen bad Square randos popping here and there mysteriously to "do bad things" while clad in black hooded edgelord robes, lmao.

The only difference is the KH writers probably had more of an idea where they were going with it. But hey, at least you dropped the claim the Ascians weren't retconned to the moon and back since, you know, they were.

I'll criticize writing I find lacking AND play the game, thanks. Especially when story is supposed to be a major point of playing.

I think that's Athena in the doorway and I've thought since we found out about Erich that she's Igeyorhm.

And I was really hoping since it's called Pandaemonium that we'd see Mateus' Light Emperor/Dark Emperor aspect come into play. Mateus is my favorite villain next to Kefka.

I also saw someone on Twitter compare Mateus' symbol with the way everyone is presented on this and it matched pretty well.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I think that's Athena in the doorway and I've thought since we found out about Erich that she's Igeyorhm.

And I was really hoping since it's called Pandaemonium that we'd see Mateus' Light Emperor/Dark Emperor aspect come into play. Mateus is my favorite villain next to Kefka.

I also saw someone on Twitter compare Mateus' symbol with the way everyone is presented on this and it matched pretty well.

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Never know, he may have a part in the 2nd or 3rd portion. Considering we have Golbez, why not?

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Originally Posted by Puksi

Considering every Ascian story has went from generic Bob Evil (insert number here) to a retconned (and convoluted) sob story, call it a wild hunch. Kingdom Hearts called, they want their Organization XIII back.

Midas already did the Jekyll and Hyde cliche thanks to Bahamut, really. As for abandoning storylines, Bozja says hi.

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Remember when KH was just a final fantasy feeling story with classic Disney story beats? That was pretty fun. Shame what happened to the franchise, lol.

It's been a hot minute since I played the original KH, but I don't recall it ever wallowing in enough Deep Angst to give me an FF vibe at the time, personally. :p Maybe a bit of Chrono Trigger? Definitely not Cross. Newer KHs seem to wallow in it, sure, but my eyes finally crossed right around Birth By Sleep and I stopped playing.

I really miss the days when Square stories didn't jump the shark quite so hard, but Endwalker in general makes me feel like I got the ocean fishing achievement mount. Or at least the minion. I mean at least FFIX had a solid enough ending it made sense despite Necron's random appearance.

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

Funny, we too wish they'd move on to better plot points. Unfortunately, we're very much stuck with the Scions for 10 more years. Wonder if it'll take all 10 years for them to show some more meaningful character development.

Btw, let us not forget it was the Sundered and their benefactors who "Beat the Ancients into the aether". Wonder how much complaint you'd show if say..... the next Vauthry was the one with some lame-o-zoid fanfiction sob story. But then, surely the devs and GCBTW would never do THAT, right? :3

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Aw, I missed this. Must've been the edit.

But we've already had multiple children corrupted by creepy adults, Vauthry was never unique in that. It's like one of Square's favorite tropes. Kefka, pumped so full of magitek as an orphan boy it drove him insane, on Gestahl's orders. Sephiroth, experimented on by Hojo in utero with Jenova cells. Kuja, created with a killswitch by Garland. Seymour, banished with his mother by his creepy father because he'd lose cred with the other Guado. That whole VIII thing, whatever the heck that was. The "megalomaniacal madman's" skeevy penchant for using women to create pawns in his game is just the latest in the line. Zenos may have been another casualty of that one.

I'd almost say you don't seem to recognize the difference between an infant who had no choice in being Tempered before birth, and a skeevy adult man who did so many "bad things", as Yoshida put it, fully cognizant. Surely it can't be that, it's so obvious. But I've read this post several times, and I'm still not sure what you're trying to imply.

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Originally Posted by Puksi

It's been a hot minute since I played the original KH, but I don't recall it ever wallowing in enough Deep Angst to give me an FF vibe at the time, personally. :p Maybe a bit of Chrono Trigger? Definitely not Cross. Newer KHs seem to wallow in it, sure, but my eyes finally crossed right around Birth By Sleep and I stopped playing.

I really miss the days when Square stories didn't jump the shark quite so hard, but Endwalker in general makes me feel like I got the ocean fishing achievement mount. Or at least the minion. I mean at least FFIX had a solid enough ending it made sense despite Necron's random appearance.

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Do I need to remind you about THE scene? lol

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Originally Posted by Rannie

Oh wow... he does kinda have a pretty face... must not... give in... not falling for it!!!

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its already too late for me...

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Never know, he may have a part in the 2nd or 3rd portion. Considering we have Golbez, why not?

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I just hope they don't make one version normal and one version Savage. I hated how they did that with Kefka.

Newsflash, the website got updated

Huh. Is that Sidurgu, Leveva, and Estinien fighting Good King Moogle Mogg?

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Huh. Is that Sidurgu, Leveva, and Estinien fighting Good King Moogle Mogg?

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That's what it looks like. They did say they were going to be changing it a bit. So if it is those NPCs then Estinien and Sidugru get to share in their dislike of moogles.