Good going Square !

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And yes, if you are on the other datacenter, you are stuck there, like me.

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free world transfer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by WillIrishclover

Square are in a bit of pickle, those people who transferred but couldn't get there are now stuck in the void..

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I hope they can get back fast! It would be terrible if this was a one-month-long zero-bug-like affair.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

free world transfer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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That does not work that way... Lol.

I used DC travel, and it worked, now I cant go back to my home DC.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

That does not work that way... Lol.

I used DC travel, and it worked, now I cant go back to my home DC.

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Hopefully their experience with the problems when World Visit was first implemented will help them get the current problems fixed faster.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I really am glad this game has internal testers and that every patch is tested thoroughly.

Tried to DC travel from Chaos to Light, got error 505 at the end, which is fine, I restart the game, now I am unable to log on any character and any account on any datacenter, error 505 immediately and the game closes.

Well done.

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I'm kind of hyped to test Data center travel, but here's a tip. Do NOT try any server-like features as I was afraid something like this would happen and currently waiting for either some fixes to happen or for a couple of days to pass and the hype gets down before attempting the feature myself.

I think 15,000 people a minute is the root cause.. maybe my thoughts on it, but let just blame QA instead lol

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I think 15,000 people a minute is the root cause.. maybe my thoughts on it, but let just blame QA instead lol

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They know their game population and how many people usually log on for the release of patches. Yes, 15k people trying to use it at the same time is the cause but that doesn't excuse not taking more measures to stress test the servers properly to account for the high population the game has.

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Originally Posted by Wanzzo

"We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause"

"Look forward to it"

"pray return to the Waking Sands at your earliest convenience"

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''Please understand''.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

They know their game population and how many people usually log on for the release of patches. Yes, 15k people trying to use it at the same time is the cause but that doesn't excuse not taking more measures to stress test the servers properly to account for the high population the game has.

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How do you suggest they accomplish such a massive stress test with their available staff and equipment?

Even WoW would fail at identifying problems during their stress tests on their PTR with thousands of users participating.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

How do you suggest they accomplish such a massive stress test with their available staff and equipment?

Even WoW would fail at identifying problems during their stress tests on their PTR with thousands of users participating.

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I'm not a dev or an expert and won't claim to be or answer anything related to it. Just saying, there should be some way to stress test this stuff. If they can't, put a big warning in bold to warn people that it runs the risk of their characters being stuck in other DCs. That way, no one is shocked or angry that they can't go home or potentially lose access to their characters temporarily. It's a risk they're informed about.

If you'd like to answer your own question though, be my guest.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

How do you suggest they accomplish such a massive stress test with their available staff and equipment?

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As well as just using math, capacity tests are usually automated to verify the calculations. You use a daemon that properly simulates a user doing it and you push that to the breaking point. Of course, that means that a 100% valid QA environment is available, something that the zero-bug showed doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I really am glad this game has internal testers and that every patch is tested thoroughly.

Tried to DC travel from Chaos to Light, got error 505 at the end, which is fine, I restart the game, now I am unable to log on any character and any account on any datacenter, error 505 immediately and the game closes.

Well done.

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Day one feature moment

Obviously it was tested, but SE doesn't have 15,000 testers every minute. It's unreasonable to expect that.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

The EW trainwreck continues. Next stop, 6.2

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Yeah but it's a really fun train ride; there's even an old lady that pushes a cart around with sweets on it.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Obviously it was tested, but SE doesn't have 15,000 testers every minute. It's unreasonable to expect that.

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If only the internet understood nuance.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Maybe when it's standard that things are this broken, it might, MIGHT, be an issue. This is like housing and the 0 bug, it's not acceptable in any way.

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It's not, FFXIV is surprisingly bug free especially considering that we don't have beta tests.
The fact that content doesn't need a billion rebalance patches in the first couple of days too without beta is pretty incredible.

Server issues tho are a different matter and runs a higher risk of error, I am guessing it's kinda overloaded atm.
This is fairly normal for MMO's in particular.

Perks of working on patch day is I don't have to worry about things like that.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

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I hope they can get back fast! It would be terrible if this was a one-month-long zero-bug-like affair.

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I am hopping through those all the time now, work great :D

24 hours of maintenance to implement a single feature, and it doesn't work huahuahuahua Square Memex

Thread in a nutshell:

https://mmmrkt.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/p4.gif?w=840

6.1 honestly has been one of the worst patches they've ever released in my opinion (bolded as MY opinion for those thinking I am presenting this as fact). Also, the MSQ for it was dull as dishwater.

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I'm not an expert either but I feel like there should be a way to properly stress test these systems beforehand so issues like this can be limited.

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The issue is probably less this and more the practicality of it. I mean, just speaking frankly, patch-day issues have been present in practically every patch of every MMO for the past 20 years. It shouldn't be a surprise when you dogpile something that a problem arises. This is, frankly, normal for MMO's.

As for practicality, things iron themselves out on their own rather quickly as the "new toy" feeling wears off and the mass rush ends. Look at the login queues that happen in games (most notably the EW release itself). After a few weeks, though, things were back to normal. It's cost-disastrous to purchase enough server capacity to handle that briefest of spikes. Someone made a great analogy of buying a ship that can hold 300,000 tons of cargo. You get a ship that cost a ton of money, and 98% of its existence is only being used to hold 3,000 tons of cargo. That's an unjustifiable waste of money. You buy the ship that carries maybe 4,000 tons of cargo to handle mini-spikes, and when the rare big one comes through, people just need to realize that's life and they might have to wait a bit.

(Do people demand that airlines buy more planes or hotels add more floors when tickets and rooms sell out during prime travel/vacation times? No, they recognize that's a simple reality.)

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6.1 honestly has been one of the worst patches they've ever released. Also, the MSQ for it was dull as dishwater.

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Opinion presented as fact? We can do better. I could just as easily say 6.1 has honestly been one of the best patches they've released, and I'm absolutely loving the MSQ. See how that works? :)

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Opinion presented as fact? We can do better. I could just as easily say 6.1 has honestly been one of the best patches they've released, and I'm absolutely loving the MSQ. See how that works? :)

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Never presenting it as a fact. But here let me edit my original post to please you. I'd hate to be misinterpreted by others with such a passive-aggressive take.

Its Day One, and a Massive amount of people are gonna try to use it...No DUH there is going to be errors.
As unfortunate and annoying as it is...if you thought it would work with no issues, then.....Im not sure what to say.
Traveling to a whole new DC is not a simple feat, and with X amount trying to do it...yeah.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Are you actually shocked it's broken on Day 1? Really?

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You can still call things out, just because school shootings keep happening doesn't mean we should get used to it.

I just wanted to leave Hyperion and make Coeurl my homeworld but yet again the system is broken and now I am stuck in a world I don't want to be in anymore until they turn transfers back on. Good going yet again another blunder chalked up by the devs yet again. They really need a whole new system overhaul

Please understand and look forward to it.

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You can still call things out, just because school shootings keep happening doesn't mean we should get used to it.

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Are we really comparing a broken feature in an MMo to school shootings?

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Originally Posted by Minarisweet

You can still call things out, just because school shootings keep happening doesn't mean we should get used to it.

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Thats a terrible analogy; comparing something dangerous and actual serious to the community over a thing that is harmless and easily predictable isnt exactly something I would compare to.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Its Day One, and a Massive amount of people are gonna try to use it...No DUH there is going to be errors.
As unfortunate and annoying as it is...if you thought it would work with no issues, then.....Im not sure what to say.
Traveling to a whole new DC is not a simple feat, and with X amount trying to do it...yeah.

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Big multimillion dollar global company can't roll out a server transfer feature, on the back of numerous other bugs recently. Yeah don't worry about it everyone, it's normal for the servers to burn whenever we try to change the game. Why do you take errors for granted? Is the bar really set that low? This isn't even their first MMO.

And then people ask for instanced housing when these things keep happening xD

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Originally Posted by Lustre

Big multimillion dollar global company can't roll out a server transfer feature, on the back of numerous other bugs recently. Yeah don't worry about it everyone, it's normal for the servers to burn whenever we try to change the game. Why do you take errors for granted? Is the bar really set that low? This isn't even their first MMO.

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The typical "they have money, there should be no errors" response. We're dealing with people here, not money machines...

Seems to be working now in the EU I just made a transfer from Chaos to Light and back and it took about 30 seconds once I started the transfer.

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The typical "they have money, there should be no errors" response. We're dealing with people here, not money machines...

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If only "having more money means no bugs" where that easy. This is why I just roll my eyes over people making these sort of responses. I'm not happy about the feature being suspended either but at least I can understand the reason why.

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Shout out to the QA testing team for Endwalker's patches.

Maybe it's just me, but maybe, just maybe there's a slight difference between internal testers testing within controlled servers compared to thousands upon thousands of players trying to jumpo data centers in a short timespan.
Ever heard of the term "bottleneck" within MMOs?

It's content, don't judge !

DC travel right now is working fine in the EU and Japan. Not brave enough to try North America yet.

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Big multimillion dollar global company can't roll out a server transfer feature, on the back of numerous other bugs recently. Yeah don't worry about it everyone, it's normal for the servers to burn whenever we try to change the game. Why do you take errors for granted? Is the bar really set that low? This isn't even their first MMO.

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The bar isn't set low.
Common sense and the ability to think on a technical level are being set low. You dont even need to have a degree or much computer knowledge to piece together: a massive flood of Data Center Players trying to Jump and Visit different servers would cause some issues. "Big Multi-million Dollar Global Company" is not a counter argument to technical problems.
Believe it or not, having money & throwing money isnt always the solution.
Sometimes the problem isnt THAT easy. And there are other variables in play.

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Maybe it's just me, but maybe, just maybe there's a slight difference between internal testers testing within controlled servers compared to thousands upon thousands of players trying to jumpo data centers in a short timespan.
Ever heard of the term "bottleneck" within MMOs?

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Nobody likes to think of things on a deeper level or even a technical level. Its just "listen to me complain, I am valid. You're wrong if you disagree or bring any amount of rationalization"

Testing is not a 100% only in a fantasy dream land does testing magically solve all problems.

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Ever heard of the term "bottleneck" within MMOs?

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Have the developers?