Can you stop reusing models please?

I'm tired of seeing the same mobs being reused (though I understand why they do it and it's become a fun little game of mine to see which skeletons are being reused where), but I roll my eyes even harder at the gear models being reused without even a) being made dyeable and/or b) roles being swapped. Like, at least give us more to work with for glam if you're going to keep things role restricted.

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Originally Posted by Destati

I'm tired of seeing the same mobs being reused (though I understand why they do it and it's become a fun little game of mine to see which skeletons are being reused where), but I roll my eyes even harder at the gear models being reused without even a) being made dyeable and/or b) roles being swapped.

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Exactly my disappointment when I first saw the Snow Linen, Ktiseos, & Manusya set.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Exactly my disappointment when I first saw the Snow Linen, Ktiseos, & Manusya set.

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At least for Snow Linen, you don't need to run Skalla anymore...

Also for Manusya set, at least you get guarantee loot unlike Swallow Compass that's really RNG to get gear you want...

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Exactly my disappointment when I first saw the Snow Linen, Ktiseos, & Manusya set.

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Ktiseos and Manusya were to be expected. They fit the areas properly. Imperial and Palaka were very welcome additions. 5.0 provided quite a bit with all the artifact armor which was given a dye option. We then had moonward, limbo, radiant, classical, panthean.

Snow Linen and other sets were nice additions for an alternate take on coloring options.

Sometimes I feel like they intentionally add undyeable armor so they can cheap out and add the dyeable version later

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

At least for Snow Linen, you don't need to run Skalla anymore...

Also for Manusya set, at least you get guarantee loot unlike Swallow Compass that's really RNG to get gear you want...

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:x I'll run Skalla still because I kinda prefer how that one dyes.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Ktiseos and Manusya were to be expected. They fit the areas properly. Imperial and Palaka were very welcome additions. 5.0 provided quite a bit with all the artifact armor which was given a dye option. We then had moonward, limbo, radiant, classical, panthean.

Snow Linen and other sets were nice additions for an alternate take on coloring options.

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Could’ve been better too, like role swapped pieces. They’ve done this a few times before like Eikon <—> Pixie Cloth (lv74 crafted) ; Farlander <—> Iridescent.

Meanwhile the crafted lv86 and Classical are both plain clone of PvP sets with different dye palette & no role swapped. (HW & StB Republican sets). Lv80, 82, & 88 crafted are also similar being a clone to the Alliance, Shire, & Neo-Ishgardian set respectively without role swaps, although I guess the two former no longer requires player to touch PvP should they want those glams so it’s a positive(?). Ktiseos felt like a slap though. No role swap & not dyeable. But I guess not being locked behind capstone dungeon RNG loot is a plus?

Imperial, Palaka, Moonward, Limbo/Asphodelos, Radiant, & Panthean are all welcome addition though.

I've been thinking about this some more.

The intro to Endwalker just doesn't lend itself to exploring new and varied styles as previous expansions. Only two of the six areas we go to have anything to offer as far as culture and dress. They likely went back to Stormblood for crafted gear for that link back to Zenos.

Hopefully, we'll see more as we start on our new adventures.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Well, this type of people also want longer game, faster development time, super ultra graphic but price need to be lower than $60 otherwise this company is greedy
They also don't care if devs have to work like slaves to meet that conditions

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you forget works on an oven microwave

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Exactly my disappointment when I first saw the Snow Linen, Ktiseos, & Manusya set.

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Snow Linen at least has a different dye set. Skalla is different because it only dyes lines compared to full dye with snow linen.

(Kinda wished we had a way to dye certain parts without forcing to add same gear)

To be fair, its an FF game, monster models get reused all the time and more often with just a recolor. As for gear, personally could care less about basic crafted and dungeon gear being reused, as long as theres new tome, raid, and the occasional crafted glam set its all good... you cant possibly expect them to make new sets for every stupid piece of content?

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

My god. You are making more money than ever.

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I am fairly sure this means nothing. More money doesn't equal more employees usually :p

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Could’ve been better too, like role swapped pieces. They’ve done this a few times before like Eikon <—> Pixie Cloth (lv74 crafted) ; Farlander <—> Iridescent.

Meanwhile the crafted lv86 and Classical are both plain clone of PvP sets with different dye palette & no role swapped. (HW & StB Republican sets). Lv80, 82, & 88 crafted are also similar being a clone to the Alliance, Shire, & Neo-Ishgardian set respectively without role swaps, although I guess the two former no longer requires player to touch PvP should they want those glams so it’s a positive(?). Ktiseos felt like a slap though. No role swap & not dyeable. But I guess not being locked behind capstone dungeon RNG loot is a plus?

Imperial, Palaka, Moonward, Limbo/Asphodelos, Radiant, & Panthean are all welcome addition though.

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They may technically not be able to role swap the Skalla/Snow Linen, Swallows Compass/Manusya, and Neo-Ishgardian/lvl 88 gear because those are all gear design contest winner gears. Since they are not the ones that developed original designs there may be a limit on what they can do to switch it up. Some of the others are definitely a little disappointing. The lvl 86 gear especially, then again I wasn't a fan of the original version of that stuff either so that might have something to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Nanne

I am fairly sure this means nothing. More money doesn't equal more employees usually :p

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From what I've seen, making more money has been harmful to the product in a lot of ways, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Ktiseos and Manusya were to be expected. They fit the areas properly. Imperial and Palaka were very welcome additions. 5.0 provided quite a bit with all the artifact armor which was given a dye option. We then had moonward, limbo, radiant, classical, panthean.

Snow Linen and other sets were nice additions for an alternate take on coloring options.

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I don’t think many are arguing against them being reused, so much as they’re reused AND STILL UNDYABLE. Like there is no excuse for this other than laziness. It’s like when they released shire gear for a 3rd time in Anamnesis and didn’t even bother to role swap it or anything.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I don’t think many are arguing against them being reused, so much as they’re reused AND STILL UNDYABLE. Like there is no excuse for this other than laziness. It’s like when they released shire gear for a 3rd time in Anamnesis and didn’t even bother to role swap it or anything.

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There's nothing wrong with consistency in role gear. It sounds like they want to maintain some identity between them.

I see nothing wrong with anything related to Ascians being undyable. That's how they were presented. Not everything needs the option to be dyed especially if it's gonna be dyed in some heinous fashion :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Vrankyl

They may technically not be able to role swap the Skalla/Snow Linen, Swallows Compass/Manusya, and Neo-Ishgardian/lvl 88 gear because those are all gear design contest winner gears.

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On the one hand, yes that's likely and I've had the same thought. They probably thought it was a nice idea to bring back all of the player-designed items for the finale, but didn't want to change the "specifically designed for X role" intent.

On the other... surely they could have swapped around the other dev-designed classes, even if they leave the one player-designed role untouched?

I'm also still sad about the lack of gear in the Aitiascope, even though we didn't functionally need it from there.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I don’t think many are arguing against them being reused, so much as they’re reused AND STILL UNDYABLE. Like there is no excuse for this other than laziness. It’s like when they released shire gear for a 3rd time in Anamnesis and didn’t even bother to role swap it or anything.

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They just seem to have like a quite limited budget when it comes to gear. We can correlate since the limited races were added, and even before, a decline in quality.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

There's nothing wrong with consistency in role gear. It sounds like they want to maintain some identity between them.

I see nothing wrong with anything related to Ascians being undyable. That's how they were presented. Not everything needs the option to be dyed especially if it's gonna be dyed in some heinous fashion :rolleyes:

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Are you unironically saying less options is better and fine lol. Please tell me you aren’t.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

They just seem to have like a quite limited budget when it comes to gear. We can correlate since the limited races were added, and even before, a decline in quality.

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Every time a new race / gender is added, that's a new model that needs to be fitted for all the gear. ALL OF IT.

People wanted genders removed from certain pieces. Guess what work had to be done.

Guess why it's going to be a while before lionesses come out.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Are you unironically saying less options is better and fine lol. Please tell me you aren’t.

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I said what I said. If you read it word for word instead of trying to interpret it, you wouldn't be asking me these ridiculous questions.

No. I'm not.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Guess why it's going to be a while before lionesses come out.

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The same reason why after 3 years hrothgar only got 6 new hairstyles, none of which the promised race exclusive and all of which cut off their racial features?

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

The same reason why after 3 years hrothgar only got 6 new hairstyles, none of which the promised race exclusive and all of which cut off their racial features?

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I wouldn't even bother lol, they have consistently defended SE's ridiculous actions, no matter how inefficient/lazy/terrible/ect it is because they like it, so obviously everything's fine and nothing's wrong. Or the good old "you try developing it yourself then!".

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Originally Posted by Iscah

On the one hand, yes that's likely and I've had the same thought. They probably thought it was a nice idea to bring back all of the player-designed items for the finale, but didn't want to change the "specifically designed for X role" intent.

On the other... surely they could have swapped around the other dev-designed classes, even if they leave the one player-designed role untouched?

I'm also still sad about the lack of gear in the Aitiascope, even though we didn't functionally need it from there.

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That would be a nice thing, and yeah they should be able to swap the ones outside of the designed role. I was also hoping for them to have swapped around the designs on the reused alliance set. I love that aiming top and I'd love to be able to use it on other roles too.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

All games do it. SE does it very well. There are so many enemies that have been reskinned over the years that it never occurred to me were reskins but after years I started thinking about them and noticed they were reskins or smaller versions of bosses I'd fought.

For some examples we can take the hunt Udumbara, which until I did Void Ark again after a long time didn't even occur to me it was a reskin, or Bird of Paradise and Bi-Fangs which didn't occur to me were reskins of Phoenix considering how most people just do that one time unsynced. It didn't occur to me where The Pale Rider came from until I got a certain ARR dungeon. They are all very good reskins and there are a lot of other examples.

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Just be glad it isn't crabs. :D FFXI loved its crabs.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Every time a new race / gender is added, that's a new model that needs to be fitted for all the gear. ALL OF IT.

People wanted genders removed from certain pieces. Guess what work had to be done.

Guess why it's going to be a while before lionesses come out.

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People want a lot of things, but if the budget is really as limited as it is (for one, it should be expanded), then maybe they should manage it a bit better. The limited races, I am convinced, have become a great hindrance to the game. Like, sorry to hrothgar players, and I like viera myself, but they weren't done right and the overall quality is suffering as a result. No, limited races aren't the singular cause, of course not, but if they didn't have to fit everything to hrothgar and viera, maybe they could have focused on giving us more things across the board. Including more hairs and customization for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

I wouldn't even bother lol, they have consistently defended SE's ridiculous actions, no matter how inefficient/lazy/terrible/ect it is because they like it, so obviously everything's fine and nothing's wrong. Or the good old "you try developing it yourself then!".

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Eh. There's a big difference between defending and explaining. There really is only so much that can be done.

But oh, how you love to complain. Life isn't complete without complaints and no thought of feasible solutions. To be in a constant state of butthurt...

Assets being repurposed or recolored is a staple of any game development, heck Final Fantasy since the first one re-used assets and just recolored them. There was always like 6 of a monster type that just had a hue change, so this doesn't exactly bother me. Also most mobs aren't alive enough for me to care how they look mainly. But armour makes sense that they shouldn't of cut corners as much as they did.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Eh. There's a big difference between defending and explaining. There really is only so much that can be done.

But oh, how you love to complain. Life isn't complete without complaints and no thought of feasible solutions. To be in a constant state of butthurt...

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Sure buddy, I'd love to see what "feasible" solutions you came up with in this thread. Unless I missed something, I mostly just saw "there's nothing wrong with the way they're doing things."

Which, all the power to you if you think that way. But to dismiss it as simple complaints is just straight insufferable.

Games have reskinned things since back in the 8 bit NES days.

Nowadays though it's almost a necessity due to the amount of work needed to create something from scratch with the amount of detail seen in games now. Even with reusing assets from previous game titles we still see development times of 4-5 years for a AAA game title to be made.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Sure buddy, I'd love to see what "feasible" solutions you came up with in this thread. Unless I missed something, I mostly just saw "there's nothing wrong with the way they're doing things."

Which, all the power to you if you think that way. But to dismiss it as simple complaints is just straight insufferable.

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The complaints are what's insufferable. You can't even point to a game that has achieved the level of perfection you're seeking out. You're asking the impossible and making claims about a company when you really have no clue what's really going on there. Show me where this precedent has been set and I'll accept this as more than just idle complaints. This is not any kind of defense, just straight facts and you can't accept them.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

The complaints are what's insufferable. You can't even point to a game that has achieved the level of perfection you're seeking out. You're asking the impossible and making claims about a company when you really have no clue what's really going on there. Show me where this precedent has been set and I'll accept this as more than just idle complaints. This is not any kind of defense, just straight facts and you can't accept them.

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How is it asking the impossible to expect the devs to keep their word when it comes to race exclusive hairstyles for hrothgar. How is it asking the impossible to expect reused gear to at the very least be dyable in an expansion where we missed out on an entire set of gear? Like please explain this to me why we got less on release than prior expansions despite the game making the most money yet and retaining the most players yet.

People going over each other's necks is getting to me, this place is so toxic for me. Makes me feel like back in league but its all passive agressiveness no one calls out.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

The complaints are what's insufferable. You can't even point to a game that has achieved the level of perfection you're seeking out. You're asking the impossible and making claims about a company when you really have no clue what's really going on there. Show me where this precedent has been set and I'll accept this as more than just idle complaints. This is not any kind of defense, just straight facts and you can't accept them.

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Who is asking for perfection? I am asking for SE to step up their standards a bit, that's all. Also "what impossible claims"? Saying that they've dropped the ball when they definitely have isn't really an impossible claim, it's the truth.

I'd like to invite you to read over Midareyukki's wonderful thread about the multiple times SE has straight up lied about the ear fiasco and claims about how hard their model is to work.

or this entire thread right here about Lyse's attire, where it was originally separated and they made it into an undyable onesie. So strange that the detractors of this btw, who defended it being a onesie suddenly didn't have much to say after it was proven that it was separated into pieces!

or maybe Yoshi's quite callous response to healers wanting their rotation to be something more than 2-1-1-1-1 and wanting to feel like that actually contribute. You can go look in the healer subforum if you want unhappy players there too!

Of course, there's the whole SAM kaiten removal, the housing bug, ect. I could go on and on. Back on topic of this thread, yes, reskins are normal. However, just think for a moment about what Endwalker was supposed to be - a big finale, a big, happy finish for a 10 year old story. We get..
- to fight Fandaniel like 3 times
- half of the armor sets reskinned
- back to back undyable, onesie mogstation outfits
- a less than stellar EX3
-less variety overall

I think this is just more of a compounding issues more than anything. In any case, yeah reskins are normal. But you have a content drought and issue upon issue ever since the launch, the reskins and the lack of care seems to be more obvious than ever. Of course, there are no "hard facts", just like SE defenders who want to defend tooth and nail that SE is truly sparing no expense, they can't prove that either lol. Hey though, if you want to keep ignoring glaring problems that even new players can't ignore, more power to you.

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Originally Posted by Minarisweet

People going over each other's necks is getting to me, this place is so toxic for me. Makes me feel like back in league but its all passive agressiveness no one calls out.

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welcome to the forums
please stay a while
you'll soon find that even paying the sub becomes passive agressive

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

How is it asking the impossible to expect the devs to keep their word when it comes to race exclusive hairstyles for hrothgar. How is it asking the impossible to expect reused gear to at the very least be dyable in an expansion where we missed out on an entire set of gear? Like please explain this to me why we got less on release than prior expansions despite the game making the most money yet and retaining the most players yet.

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I actually explained why on page 5.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I've been thinking about this some more.

The intro to Endwalker just doesn't lend itself to exploring new and varied styles as previous expansions. Only two of the six areas we go to have anything to offer as far as culture and dress. They likely went back to Stormblood for crafted gear for that link back to Zenos.

Hopefully, we'll see more as we start on our new adventures.

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I actually made an effort to see the other side of things. I saw that we got less and asked myself why. I came to a logical conclusion. Norvrandt offered varied styles and cultures to work with, as did Stormblood.

It's honestly hard to make a proper comparison, when we're not even done with all the expansion content. About the only one to make is with artifact gear being more readily available and easier to get dye options for.




As for Hrothgar. I don't know and honestly don't care. It escaped my mind when I think of "all the complaints". Half the ones I see look cringe ignoring the hair. And an Au Ra player is complaining about it. Do you even care or are you just complaining for the hell of it? I don't really care about that answer either.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

...- half of the armor sets reskinned...

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while i do think more model variety would be nice, especially with how big the game is rn, reskins arent a new thing.
even most of the 1.0 gear has like 3 reskins per model, and that version of the game had big square money

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

while i do think more model variety would be nice, especially with how big the game is rn, reskins arent a new thing.
even most of the 1.0 gear has like 3 reskins per model, and that version of the game had big square money

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I've already said that reskins aren't a new thing, I'm saying it's much more obvious now since the launch of EW has more or less than marred with problems.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

while i do think more model variety would be nice, especially with how big the game is rn, reskins arent a new thing.
even most of the 1.0 gear has like 3 reskins per model, and that version of the game had big square money

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I remember someone going over how many reskins each expansion has on Reddit, and Endwalker has more reskins then the other expansions. So while reskins aren't new, they're more common then they have been. Which is odd when the game is making bank, no?

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I remember someone going over how many reskins each expansion has on Reddit, and Endwalker has more reskins then the other expansions. So while reskins aren't new, they're more common then they have been. Which is odd when the game is making bank, no?

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even though i agree wholeheartedly (i miss sb gear in a lot of ways) im going to play devils avocado and say this is due to the visual overhaul in 7.0. combined with square not assigning enough modelers to the xiv team.
not only are we getting more reskins, but a lot of roles share the same model. instead of getting 7 outfits per tomeset we get like 3 and a spare shoulderpad.