Is this cheating?

I don't get it, there's a 15 minute CD to re-enter anyway. Why would you do this?

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Originally Posted by Baxta

I don't get it, there's a 15 minute CD to re-enter anyway. Why would you do this?

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When you're learning the fight and wiping it sucks to wait 15 minutes between retries.

Leves have done this since the begining of the game, i think. It was just never widely known and or cared about before 15 minute abilities came along because all abilities were on such short cool downs anyway. Add on top of that the fact that many people don't even bother doing leves, causing it to slip under many players' radar.

But no, it's not cheating. It is kind of cheap though, lol.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

When you're learning the fight and wiping it sucks to wait 15 minutes between retries.

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Also, for people that like to change to crafting classes between wins it is nice to be able to change back and reset your 15 min.

It sounds like the game is acting the way that was intended, but for a purpose that was not foreseen. Not sure I'd classify that as an exploit, and I'm fairly sure I don't even care enough to worry if it was. It's not exactly gamebreaking, especially considering how very "meh" most 15 min job abilities are.

Also, increasing the waiting period has absolutely nothing to do with this exploit and anyone who suggests it as a solution is an idiot.

That is all.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Aureus

People don't seem to understand what an exploit is.

Exploiting is using game mechanics in a manner that they were not intended to be used to gain an advantage. The cooldown reset feature on levequests is probably a leftover mechanic for when you had quests with guild marks that you had to complete with certain classes, so it allowed you to switch classes and start the levequest without having to wait for cooldowns.

So yes, this is an exploit.

Whether or not it's a big enough deal to be considered "cheating" is entirely subjective. Personally I don't think it's a big deal at all.

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This. It is an exploit.

Will SE do something? Probably not. FYI SE did nothing on XI for quite a while when players used chests (or any NPC/thing that could be targeted) to freeze their 2hours abilities/Primeval Brew.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

When you're learning the fight and wiping it sucks to wait 15 minutes between retries.

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This thread is not about instance CD, but about skill CD.
Or what do you mean?

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Originally Posted by Felis

This thread is not about instance CD, but about skill CD.
Or what do you mean?

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There's hardly a cooldown after you're defeated from a primal, but if you did use your 15-min and need it for the next try, then you'd have to wait those 15 minutes if the leves weren't there to be used.

doesn't seem like intended game mechanics to me. I'd say it's exploiting. you have to remember, an exploit isn't necessarily a 3rd party program that let's you do things that you shouldn't do, it's taking advantage of (exploiting) a buggy mechanic, or unintended ability in the game, to gain some advantage, however small. ofc, you'd have to hear the final word from SE on if it's intended gameplay or not. I'm just speaking from 8 years of MMO experience.

as far as if I care. I do not :P

This is absolutely not cheating. When you start instanced content, your abilities cooldowns should be refreshed. End of conversation. Starting a leve and abandoning it to reset the cooldowns is merely a workaround for the bad design of the instanced content.

If cooldowns can be refreshed before leves (instanced content) than they should be automatically refreshed before Ifrit, Gardua, Cutter's Cry, etc (also instanced content).

why do you discuss about this. Its a bug ! The BUUUGGGG ! =)

It's an intentional mechanic used in an unitentional way. Is it a bug. Nope.
Is it a Exploit. Nope. As much as some people want to call it and exploit
it is not. The mechanic is working as intented. Nothing about this is game
breaking.

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Originally Posted by Buuul

This is absolutely not cheating. When you start instanced content, your abilities cooldowns should be refreshed. End of conversation. Starting a leve and abandoning it to reset the cooldowns is merely a workaround for the bad design of the instanced content.

If cooldowns can be refreshed before leves (instanced content) than they should be automatically refreshed before Ifrit, Gardua, Cutter's Cry, etc (also instanced content).

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Exactly this and what Brannigan said. We are learning the fight and waiting 15 minutes to try again just because abilities are down blows and its even worse when you have damaged gear as changing to repair it will reset the timer anyways.

Please devs, just reset ability timers upon entering any kind of instance.

If your wife tells you to stand by doing nothing for 20 minutes till she's ready to have sex with you and you go and jerk off 15 mins later, would that be considered cheating?