6.11a patch notes

I've never tried PvP in this game, yet, so please forgive me for asking the following question. Why are people concerned about Black Mages?

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

It's ridiculous just how quickly BLM gets "fixed / buffed" just due to the simple fact that the main job designer plays them.

It's the exact reason people are asking him to play healers just so he can understand their frustration.



You're not wrong. I could post Screenshots like this all day. Get an opposing team who likes to group together? Your damage is going to be insane. And I'm pretty average at pvp. In the hands of a good player, SCH is extremely strong, but their damage is also dependent on other people playing poorly which in the higher ranks isn't going to happen much.

https://i.imgur.com/MekGswD.jpg

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Yep if your team can't take care of themselfes, they are going to have a bad time. But neither a whm nor an ast can really help in that scenario. They can blow all their heals on the person and they still die because whats recup/purify/guard. I currently get a PLD a lot that can't take care of themself. My AST tried really hard, they still just melted.

And sch does at LEAST not need that much people be grouped close for the fact that deployment tactics is 15 yalms. That's quite big.
Dunno why Seraph is that small tho.

My point is: Sage and SCH are 100% not healer. 2 Adlos will not save people.
Sage is a dps and you can't tell me otherwise.
Sch is a support that works best with rushdowns. Basically same category as BRD in my opinion. They both can put a lot of pressure on people when the team can follow up on it.

I mean, people say 5 yalms on whms lb AND on Warrior is op, and deploymant tactic is 15, you really don't need the enemies to be that close together.

It's the same as GNB also not being a tank but a dps.
Green does not a healer make in PVP.

https://i.imgur.com/bsRTAAH.png THIS is NOT a small aoe and you do NOT need them to be stacked that much.

People still think SCH is OP cuz end game parse. But it is just a dot. And a small one at that. All it means you need to keep your hp in check. Neither Biolysis or tactics are a problem, the attitude towards them is.

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Originally Posted by gotaname1

People still think SCH is OP cuz end game parse. But it is just a dot. And a small one at that. All it means you need to keep your hp in check. Neither Biolysis or tactics are a problem, the attitude towards them is.

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People think the exact OPPOSITE because SCH isn't a healer but a support dps.
They say it sucks because it doesn't heal

Also uhm... i dunno how to tell you this, but the dot can do a lot of damage
https://i.imgur.com/UP4V35e.gif
Buffed, which you preferably do

https://i.imgur.com/BM3eVT4.gif
unbuffed

I just don't understand how people say sch is bad if it's not. It's just not a healer.... but a support.

Still nothing about a fix for the broken launcher for Mac customers. :/

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Originally Posted by Cheremia

My point is: Sage and SCH are 100% not healer. 2 Adlos will not save people.

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Yes healers aren't there to heal, they're support in PvP.

The Adlo is less for healing and more for the 10% damage buff that comes with it.

People should be healing themselves in PvP via potions.

That's all?

Mostly PvP changes and not only that but they're still obsessing over BLM?

Really? Not even going to try and address the bias? And I'm saying this as someone whose first level 90 DPS was BLM.

Them BLM buffs...

Yeah, there's clearly a bias there. lol I'm grateful for the GNB buffs, but I feel that their adjustments missed the mark overall, especially by not addressing WHM.

"Players will no longer be logged out automatically after 30 minutes of inactivity."

Finally. It's less annoying that it was before when we had massive queues but still inconvenient if you needed to break for a shower or to cook a little something and couldn't just idle for that time.

I still think they should up it to an hour. That's the point that you're really idle and not just taking a small break for something.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Ayo time to afk again without getting woken up by the auto play trailer.

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At least it's not HOME RIDING HOME blaring in your ear

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Hopefully RPR is next on the table for buffs because BLM is a threat while its LB is active now.

If BLM gets to have passive mitigation from their LB, I think RPR could also stand to get a little something like temporary CC immunity to give it more presence.

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I actually think this is a great idea. The fear from the LB is good albeit extremely situational, but its still a combo LB that really isn't all that threatening. CC immunity for a few seconds would be great.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

Crystal players being lumped in with diamond is interesting, I wonder why?

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Its always been like that. Players in plat 1 could get into crystal matches as well because at plat1 the matchmaking considered you a diamond player. They simply raised the matchmaking to diamond 3. Personally I think crystal should be its own queue with maybe diamond 1's as an exception, but I'll take the current change over what it was before.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

I've never tried PvP in this game, yet, so please forgive me for asking the following question. Why are people concerned about Black Mages?

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A good Black Mage in PvP can decimate the enemy and create tons of openings for their party as long as they take full advantage of their toolkit. I've had enemy Black Mages literally just carry their team because they played very well in Diamond/Crystal tier and learned to kite while doing damage. Black mages are just that threatening that it's the main reason why they are heavily focused and prioritized from the beginning. Their low HP actually balances things out, but it's not as if Black Mages can't play around their weakness either. Black Mages have 2 charges of Aetherial manipulation on a low cooldown + gives swiftcast upon using it, making them highly mobile when used properly.

The change to reduce their cast time from 1.92 to 1.44 pretty much removes any weaving issue that Black mages could have - which is a nice change. The increased shield value is somewhat overkill since it very heavily bumps their survival and DPS up by a lot by making anyone who wants to hit them in close range take a 16k potency to the face.

But... Black Mages also gained an extra Paradox stack (increasing their instant burst potential & CC target for superflare), in addition to more CC (Nightwing also lowers enemies' movement speed before putting them to sleep, effectively becoming a 6 second CC) and lethality - 24k potency increase + a 20% mitigation on their LB, as well as the job with one of the fastest LB to generate... yeah they basically lost their "weakness" and became vastly overtuned.

These changes show a pretty huge bias to Black Mage. In the hands of a good Black mage, your team is most likely going to win even if everyone else has a similar skill level.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

A good Black Mage in PvP can decimate the enemy and create tons of openings for their party as long as they take full advantage of their toolkit. I've had enemy Black Mages literally just carry their team because they played very well in Diamond/Crystal tier and learned to kite while doing damage. Black mages are just that threatening that it's the main reason why they are heavily focused and prioritized from the beginning. Their low HP actually balances things out, but it's not as if Black Mages can't play around their weakness either. Black Mages have 2 charges of Aetherial manipulation on a low cooldown + gives swiftcast upon using it, making them highly mobile when used properly.

The change to reduce their cast time from 1.92 to 1.44 pretty much removes any weaving issue that Black mages could have - which is a nice change. The increased shield value is somewhat overkill since it very heavily bumps their survival and DPS up by a lot by making anyone who wants to hit them in close range take a 16k potency to the face.

But... Black Mages also gained an extra Paradox stack (increasing their instant burst potential & CC target for superflare), in addition to more CC (Nightwing also lowers enemies' movement speed before putting them to sleep, effectively becoming a 6 second CC) and lethality - 24k potency increase + a 20% mitigation on their LB, as well as the job with one of the fastest LB to generate... yeah they basically lost their "weakness" and became vastly overtuned.

These changes show a pretty huge bias to Black Mage. In the hands of a good Black mage, your team is most likely going to win even if everyone else has a similar skill level.

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Whoa...that sounds like Black Mages play nothing like what they do in PvE. Thanks for that information. I have ever only known PvE and in that play, I'm sort of a mostly immobile turret. I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like to have all my big booms AND be mobile at the same time.

I see Yoshi was mad about being stuck in Gold.
Those smn buffs are a good reminder to never queue for frontline again.

"Other various issues have also been addressed."

So descriptive, Much detail!

So, I always thought Yoshida to be an incompetent biased hack who just copied WoW and I shared that thought with the class designers as well. I take the last part back. It was always Yoshida. The guy has a skeleton crew on the thing the players interact with 90% of the time like it's a dead MMO on its last legs.

Last time I checked, the producer is supposed to give each team the resources they need to get the job done so what exactly is he doing and how is this "sparing no expenses"?

But here we are, just overbuffing the shit he plays. All the cultists made me doubt my ability to judge someone's character but naw, I was unfortunately right.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

So, I always thought Yoshida to be an incompetent biased hack who just copied WoW and I shared that thought with the class designers as well. I take the last part back. It was always Yoshida. The guy has a skeleton crew on the thing the players interact with 90% of the time like it's a dead MMO on its last legs.

Last time I checked, the producer is supposed to give each team the resources they need to get the job done so what exactly is he doing and how is this "sparing no expenses"?

But here we are, just overbuffing the shit he plays. All the cultists made me doubt my ability to judge someone's character but naw, I was unfortunately right.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

So, I always thought Yoshida to be an incompetent biased hack who just copied WoW and I shared that thought with the class designers as well. I take the last part back. It was always Yoshida. The guy has a skeleton crew on the thing the players interact with 90% of the time like it's a dead MMO on its last legs.

Last time I checked, the producer is supposed to give each team the resources they need to get the job done so what exactly is he doing and how is this "sparing no expenses"?

But here we are, just overbuffing the shit he plays. All the cultists made me doubt my ability to judge someone's character but naw, I was unfortunately right.

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Well...yes and no. I do think that his bias shows very clearly in regards to BLM and other things pretty often. At the same time, SE gives him the money to work with, and I think they've been forcing Yoshi P to deal with the cards he has been dealt. That doesn't excuse his decisions as far as where he does or doesn't put those resources to use though. I think he has done a terrible job of that lately, which is why I unsubbed. Actually surprised I can still post. lol

They absolutely ninja nerfed SMN LB in PVP. It charges about twice as slow as it did before.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Well...yes and no. I do think that his bias shows very clearly in regards to BLM and other things pretty often. At the same time, SE gives him the money to work with, and I think they've been forcing Yoshi P to deal with the cards he has been dealt. That doesn't excuse his decisions as far as where he does or doesn't put those resources to use though. I think he has done a terrible job of that lately, which is why I unsubbed. Actually surprised I can still post. lol

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You mean like those dumb commercials with Holland? Or the other dumb commercials which I seriously doubt had any impact at all. Beyond terrible.