Money this game makes

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Originally Posted by kaynide

That’s a big thing; I don’t think people understand how much of the money MMOs make gets eaten to keep the game running. It’s not like offline games where you just have to sell and recoup development/ad costs. Once a certain number of offline sales are made, every additional sale is pure profit.

MMOs however, the cost to maintain the game constantly increases as the content within the game increases, yet the monthly fee remains the same.

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Eh? No not really?

As far as development goes, there are 3 costs that can spiral if not kept in check. Class balancing, Voice acting and lore management.

Class balancing costs are arguably too well controlled, the team is small and has remained mostly the same size since ARR whilst keeping PvP it's own distinct thing also makes things much simpler to balance.

Voice acting and quality writing are more tied into the success and earnings of the game when FFXIV eventually hits the point where it starts declining, these will simply get cut back as needed.

On the other side of the coin, server costs are tied to active player counts, not the amount of content within the game.

More active players, more sub fees overall = the additional server costs are handily offset.

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Back on topic. Honestly, whilst I do wish that SE would invest more money back into the game, class design specifically I don't entirely begrudge what they do.

I see a lot of mentions of the likes of Babylon's Fall etc, but for every one of those, we got some unique, interesting and often great games as well. Triangle Strategy, Voice of Cards, Octopath spring straight to mind.

Sure they put out some prime chod as well, but they do deserve some credit for at least being willing to take risks. Compare that to EA some years ago or Activision more recently where they simply aren't willing to put out anything that isn't a long established IP.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

No I can imagine that a majority of the money this game makes is dumped into the really crappy FF7 remake.



Hate to break it to you, the number of dungeons is the first thing FF14 team cut from the budget. You can look through the expansions and see with each expansion there are less dungeons.



I don't believe his comment was entitled or snark. SE is not a very great company specially since they became SE. They funnel money from successful titles or projects in production and produce very bad games with it in the end. They have done this for years even when they were Square Soft. But your comment was that of a smart ass.

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Ff7 remake is not crap u spawn of devil lala

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Originally Posted by Slayer25c

Ff7 remake is not crap u spawn of devil lala

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well that's redundant. There are no devil lalas

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

More active players, more sub fees overall = the additional server costs are handily offset.

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This is also a gift and a curse. True enough the more players you have the easier it is to cover the charges, but the inverse is also true. The less players you have the more you are in the red to cover the server costs. Its one of the main reasons you see floundering MMO's start getting rid of/merging servers to offset some of the costs.

SE is a company like every other company.
Of course they spent the FFxiv money on other projects.

That's how every big company works.
It would be great if I could use all the earnings my division is doing to upgrade machinery and give pay raises, but that's not how it works.
A lot of money goes into a production division that never have been directly profitable, but their products are needed so they have to work while "losing" money.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

I can understand not wanting to support a company pursuing category 2 there. But for me personally, I'll just buy the stuff that's good and pass on the suspiciously brown and smelly ones.

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Oh, of course. At the end of the day it does come down to consumer choice. On the company side, I can understand them throwing money at stuff to see if it works out. They threw money at FF14 that they, truthfully and honestly, probably shouldn't have in many senses but look where we are today. I'm just saying that if they see a potential benefit, even just a monetary one, in something it's literally their job to do it.

It's on the consumers to push back and say no, like the explosion of "no NFT" responses to the CEO's idiotic New Years letter. Like the complete and utter failure of Babylon's Fall and Balan Wonderland. Like the very clear response to Avengers and Chocobo GP. It's a give and take. Company tries to make money, consumers says yes or no in the only way that really matters (with their wallets), and the cycle continues. The real point of failure is when you have a consumer base that complains and whines and moans about perpetual problems yet spends money on the thing anyway. The consumers aren't happy, just addicted, and the company is not going to change their ways because, hey, money.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

That’s a big thing; I don’t think people understand how much of the money MMOs make gets eaten to keep the game running. It’s not like offline games where you just have to sell and recoup development/ad costs. Once a certain number of offline sales are made, every additional sale is pure profit.

MMOs however, the cost to maintain the game constantly increases as the content within the game increases, yet the monthly fee remains the same.

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https://i.imgur.com/MZGZhlF.png

This was a nine moth income period in December 2021 that was posted on the Investor Relations in February 2022.
I mean ... were I to interpret this in the moment, the operating increases are coming from SE's other title's having a bad return whereas once again XIV is the funding source of everything.


edit: i am also just waking up, my brain may start working better soon lmao

Honestly, what does it matter OP? You have zero control of what is done iwth the money. Will you quit FFXIV if you don't like the ratio?

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

Honestly, what does it matter OP? You have zero control of what is done iwth the money. Will you quit FFXIV if you don't like the ratio?

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It is a consideration, but I'm probably going to just do what others have suggested. Buy what I like, don't buy what I don't like. It just really sucks they keep blowing money on these flops. I sort of miss that golden era where they just had hit after hit, but maybe that's just going to be something that stays in the past!

You don't understand
Creative Business Unit III is shaped like a triangle so they can't make more content

FFXI still makes money and it's SE other MMO, still getting story updates and the new master levels, they also added new Apex monsters in the Crawler Nest (s)


Apex monsters are level 120 and up I believe, good for farming Job points, Merit points

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

FFXI still makes money and it's SE other MMO, still getting story updates and the new master levels, they also added new Apex monsters in the Crawler Nest (s)


Apex monsters are level 120 and up I believe, good for farming Job points, Merit points

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With 11, wasn't there a massive bit of time where there was no content, but that started up again? Also, how is the population on that? It's something I've wanted to try out since the PS2 days, but I was never able (●'◡'●)

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Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo

With 11, wasn't there a massive bit of time where there was no content, but that started up again? Also, how is the population on that? It's something I've wanted to try out since the PS2 days, but I was never able (●'◡'●)

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You have a decent population size on Bahamut or Asura servers. Anywhere beyond that is very low I found when I first dived into it a year back. But yeah theres a lot to do now and unlike FFXIV its very easy to dive into the other expansion content from the get go thanks to the Rhapsodies of Vanadiel scenario, although it makes following some stories very confusing lol. Make sure to play the game with a guide on hand

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Originally Posted by hagare

well that's redundant. There are no devil lalas

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The devil has standards.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

The devil has standards.

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And lalas are the lowest ones.
Ba dum tsh

Yeah SE doesn't space out FFXI, XIV, and DQX from their MMO revenue, they combine them all but it's pretty obvious XIV is the majority, followed by DQX.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

But the type of experimentation also matters.

Balan Wonderland is utterly bizarre, and sometimes radical departures from established game designs end up really catching on. It didn't here, it's just weird, but I can respect them for at least taking some creative risks in this way.

Babylon's Fall is an experiment on how mediocrely Square can slap together some proven game mechanics and try to fleece us for as much money as possible... while investing as little as possible in a quality experience. That, along with whatever NFT abominations await us in the future, is much much worse.

I can understand not wanting to support a company pursuing category 2 there. But for me personally, I'll just buy the stuff that's good and pass on the suspiciously brown and smelly ones.

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Babylon's Fall is from Platinum Games, one of the producers also produced NieR Automata. They gave a statement recently on fully supporting the live service.

SE does a pretty good job being a JP publisher overall, and farms out their IP and development to expand franchises.

Like Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin from Team Ninja, it's like the real FF1 prequel for today's time. Nioh died for it and it's worth it.

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Originally Posted by technole

Babylon's Fall is from Platinum Games

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man. Platinum is such a hit or miss studio @_@
Then again, releasing BF at that time was just suicide.