So, about Zenos... (SPOILERS)

Hot take: when Zenos body snatched the WoL he left a piece of himself in there.

7.0 essentially being the WoL having a mental breakdown fighting for control of their own body. Need to flee the continent for fear of hurting their friends.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Little off topic, just filling in gaps:

Dynamis in FFXI wasn’t a sort of energy, but rather an alternate dimension where “the bad guys won”. Essentially they are just raids set in fallen/“nightmare” versions of the main cities.

Aside from the void/monstrous aspect, it’s probably fair to say the two concepts are entirely alien from one another.

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Ahhh, someone described it as a dream dimension or something along those lines. Which could still relate a bit. Alternate dimension - alternate perception. Kind of a similar "what if" vibe.

I definitely think they have some places they can go with the concept that would be quite interesting.

I'm honestly expecting for our character to just find Zenos drinking tea in cafe somewhere. Wol: "how the hell did you get back!?" Zenos:"I have no idea but my current theory is some powerful entity sent me back just to mess with you or something"

Zenos will be just like the hornbill in Shadowbringers. He'll just kinda be there, watching from the background, with no purpose or explanation.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Is he dead again? Because after the ending of Endwalker, I personally don't think his dead. Just body? Sure! But the guy doesn't need his body to still be alive. Ge's practically an Ascian with his Resonant. So, unless he completely burnt all his aether, including the bit that sustains his life force in are final fight, I'm doubting he's dead and I have a feeling he'll return in an expansion or two through dynamism since he was left in that weird plane of it.

Thoughts?

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Yoshi P made it clear that he is dead. In fact Hydaelin is dead-dead. Like super dead. So dead that she doesn't even exist anymore other than the world she created. Her soul was used in her trial against you. She's not coming back and neither is Zenos. If Zenos comes back he will be a baby with no memories or special abilities from his old self, he'll be reborn anew like anyone else. The story of Zenos is over and now we are transitioning to a whole new story because that was their plan -- to end this story because they were tired of trying to fix 1.0/ARR.

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Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis

Yoshi P made it clear that he is dead. In fact Hydaelin is dead-dead. Like super dead. So dead that she doesn't even exist anymore other than the world she created. Her soul was used in her trial against you. She's not coming back and neither is Zenos. If Zenos comes back he will be a baby with no memories or special abilities from his old self, he'll be reborn anew like anyone else. The story of Zenos is over and now we are transitioning to a whole new story because that was their plan -- to end this story because they were tired of trying to fix 1.0/ARR.

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No he didn't.

With Hydaelyn, Emet, Zodiark, and Hythlodaeus he was very clear.

With Zenos he didn't give a straight answer. He does that when he's trying not to spoil something.

IMO, the current writers chose for him to be over and done with. (as mentioned by another, that this time he decided to burn through everything he lad.)
but future writers might still revive him, since they may run out of ideas, and want to revisit this. Im not saying it WILL happen, just that its not unreasonable to assume this might happen.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

No he didn't.

With Hydaelyn, Emet, Zodiark, and Hythlodaeus he was very clear.

With Zenos he didn't give a straight answer. He does that when he's trying not to spoil something.

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I think he was very clear in his statement.
He said "Zenos stopped breathing, you can see his dead body, right?".
He never said he is dead though ;)
To me it is a very clear way of saying "he is not dead".

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Zenos will be just like the hornbill in Shadowbringers. He'll just kinda be there, watching from the background, with no purpose or explanation.

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While not explicitly stated, it is pretty obvious the hornbill is Emet’s familiar, made even clearer when it appears immediately to spy on you after leaving Emet’s sight in Elpis.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Ahhh, someone described it as a dream dimension or something along those lines. Which could still relate a bit. Alternate dimension - alternate perception. Kind of a similar "what if" vibe.

I definitely think they have some places they can go with the concept that would be quite interesting.

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I mean, this will undoubtedly be a thing eventually. Probably the 13th/void world just because it saves huge amounts of time in development to just reuse existing zones as pseudo-raids/dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Garnix

I think he was very clear in his statement.
He said "Zenos stopped breathing, you can see his dead body, right?".
He never said he is dead though ;)
To me it is a very clear way of saying "he is not dead".

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Not to mention we've seen him not breathing before. There was also the mention of how he's in a dimension where our laws don't apply. It read as very tongue-in-cheek and is the sort of thing I know I say to my husband when I'm trying not to lie but also not spoil something. Especially with how clear he was with other deaths that were asked about. He also straight told us he couldn't explain why Zenos became a reaper. I have multiple theories on how they could do things, but we'll have to wait and see.

Zenos having some sort of connection to the 13th and having us investigate it partially because of that would be interesting. :) Especially if his Avatar is running amok on it's own on the Source or it purposely leads us onto something regarding itself, its relationship to Zenos and hinting at his current status condition and whereabout, if he's still alive, and its connection to the 13th.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Zenos will be just like the hornbill in Shadowbringers. He'll just kinda be there, watching from the background, with no purpose or explanation.

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So, basically no change to how he's been since he offed himself in SB then?

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

So, basically no change to how he's been since he offed himself in SB then?

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That was the one thing that disappointed me in Endwalker. We really didn't get to see much of him. Would have been nice to clash with him a few times while taking down the Towers popping up all over the Source, similar to how we would do throughout Stormblood. would have made the struggle to stop him and Fandaniel from destroying the world feel far more pressing than what we got.

Also, in Stormblood he was forced to be Legatus and overseer of both Othard and Ala Mhigo against his will. With no one to truly give him a challenge against us while doing a job he absolutely despises, can you blame the guy for just waiting around for us to finally get string enough to face him? xD

Zeros has fulfilled his goal, satisfied his goal, and served his role.
Let him rest in peace

Why should Zenos get a new Job, new Gear, new Name even, just to die so cheapass at the end of the Stars? Just cause you Guys don't like him cause he is a different kind of Villain, doesn't make him boring or even useless. He has just a different Story which we don't know about yet.

There are Questions about the things he said.

- What of you, my mirror? Born into this world, bestowed name, bid to seek out strife and adventure... Was this life a gift... or a burden?

This makes me ask, where is he from?
Bestowed Name? Hmm another question.
Don't know but was our life a gift... or even more a burden if we look back? I watched so many Cutscene and was our Adventures really Adventures? Or have we just corrected the wrongs of the past?

To flood the 1th Shard with Light was a mistake made by Emet-Selch, Elidibus, Mitron and Loghrif.
To flood the 13th Shard with Darkness was a mistake made by Emet-Selch, Lahabrea, Elidibus, Mitron and Loghrif.
The Endsinger / Meteion was a mistake Hermes made
What happend in Garlemald was Emet-Selch again.
The Fight with Gaius ... Lahabreas mistake.
The Sundering of the World Venats mistake.
The list goes on ....

- Never have I understood those around me. Understood their obsessions. Besieged by their banality, the world was a mire of tedium and trivialities.

Who he means with around me? The Ascians? The Ancients? His Father? Was Varis even his Father? Or the normal People?

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Zenos will be just like the hornbill in Shadowbringers.

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Shoebill.
https://cdn.britannica.com/51/117051...6/Shoebill.jpg
A Hornbill is a completely different bird.
https://animalia.us-east-1.linodeobj...hornbill-4.jpg
Sorry, Im just that kind of loser lol

In my defense, I can be very dumb at times.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Shoebill.
https://cdn.britannica.com/51/117051...6/Shoebill.jpg
A Hornbill is a completely different bird.
https://animalia.us-east-1.linodeobj...hornbill-4.jpg
Sorry, Im just that kind of loser lol

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That hornbill's eye and feather really match Zeno's own. This should definitely be his familar! :D

Honestly with Zenos nothing would surprise me he could show up outside our inn room saying" Greetings have you heard about the glory of the one true god Yoshi P?" and I'd still go yeah this seems about right

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Originally Posted by Pyro2hell3

Honestly with Zenos nothing would surprise me he could show up outside our inn room saying" Greetings have you heard about the glory of the one true god Yoshi P?" and I'd still go yeah this seems about right

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rofl i guess i would do the same

I'd quietly step outside, take a deep breath, and very serenely torch the building.