The Graphical Update

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

I wonder if this graphical update will fix crazy long necks on some characters in this game.

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Unfortunately the Dhamels... i mean Elezens will forever have long necks =P

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Originally Posted by Rannie

Unfortunately the Dhamels... i mean Elezens will forever have long necks =P

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My neck is fine! *looks angry*


Cheers

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

My neck is fine! *looks angry*


Cheers

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Really how's the air up there? Lol =P

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Dammnnn..

Also the grass, like some hallmark bunny crown of mine- it's bueeeetiffullll! <3

Looks really good, excited to see this including all the system changes:
https://i.imgur.com/nF072Op.jpg

All together that's going to make the game fill so much more 'full'.

Well done team, am excited to look at all the areas again in a new light :)

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With this its pretty save to assume they gonna upgrade the limits for our houses as well..?

I'm VERY excited about this! It's a dream come true for me!

Just yesterday I was taking this screen and wondering if plants would ever stop looking so painful
https://64.media.tumblr.com/69e2502b...89e499769d.jpg

And then, some hours later...
https://64.media.tumblr.com/038ebb23...56b9be84ae.jpg

THANK YOU, YOSHIDAAAAAA!

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

I'm VERY excited about this! It's a dream come true for me!

Just yesterday I was taking this screen and wondering if plants would ever stop looking so painful
https://64.media.tumblr.com/69e2502b...89e499769d.jpg

And then, some hours later...
https://64.media.tumblr.com/038ebb23...56b9be84ae.jpg

THANK YOU, YOSHIDAAAAAA!

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Look at those two pixel flowers!

I'd love it if they could leave faces as an easy basic 'preset' option, but then allow us to use smaller features (lips, eyebrows, eye shapes, tattoos, markings etc.) from all faces.

I really like the eyes on some faces but then the noses and mouths are awful, and vice versa.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

It seems like our prayers have been answered! While I doubt this will include the coveted butt slider, this may mean we will see a revisit to character customization in 7.0


What I really want to see is a separation of face locked aesthetics: let miqo'te choose their face markings, let Viera have their tattoos regardless of head choice etc etc

Oh and finally decouple au ra horns from heads.

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They didn't say anything about customization. With that there is more than just graphic limitations to deal with. I do want it, but don't think a graphic update automatically means more options.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

https://i.gyazo.com/110b9033c0a68558...08ac0d14fe.pnghttps://i.gyazo.com/930987bb47d20cb4...18ce5d12b6.pnghttps://i.gyazo.com/264334ddfdfcd215...e114a2ad02.png

This will be the Warrior of Light in 2007

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I don't want the sweaty look, the middle is fine. Maybe a sweat slider? :D

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Originally Posted by MsQi

I don't want the sweaty look, the middle is fine. Maybe a sweat slider? :D

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I think the one on the far right was explicitly how it isn't going to look because they aren't aiming for super realistic?

The middle one is what they're going for thankfully, I'd be pretty unhappy if my character suddenly had pores you could serve dip out of.

Thank goodness for the graphical update.

Hopes that it will come in tandem with an expanded character creator.

I mean, the update is long overdue, but it doesn't take out facts like races with just 4 options of faces, or Au Ra horns locked into face models.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

They didn't say anything about customization. With that there is more than just graphic limitations to deal with. I do want it, but don't think a graphic update automatically means more options.



I don't want the sweaty look, the middle is fine. Maybe a sweat slider? :D

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Ngl, 3rd photo reminds me of the sweat/shine option some games provide now (such as BDO)...so maybe actually getting a sweat slider? O.o

Kinda gives me hope that maybe we'll get hair shine options with this.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Ngl, 3rd photo reminds me of the sweat/shine option some games provide now (such as BDO)...so maybe actually getting a sweat slider? O.o

Kinda gives me hope that maybe we'll get hair shine options with this.

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Maybe... Every example had a rich shine on the hair. Dunno if it was just the lightning used though.

I'm kind of hyped for this, because it probably mean that finally our characters can look good under dim light.

Like, right now... I'd add a faint red lip color to my viera so he won't look just like dead-pale, and it looks good on regular lightning, but as soon as I wander into a tunnel or somewhere without a direct light source, his lips become fully darkened and with ugly eyebags too.

And here I was hoping for an upgrade to HD 2D graphics ^_^. Sprites all the way :D

I don't get to watch any of the streams, when is this supposed to happen?

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

I don't get to watch any of the streams, when is this supposed to happen?

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Next expansion, the examples are supposedly from about a month of them experimenting with different options so everything is still subject to change.

They look nice, but forgive me but isn't this just different lighting and shadows? The Models still look pretty basic.

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

They look nice, but forgive me but isn't this just different lighting and shadows? The Models still look pretty basic.

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That is all that I want to see. I like my characters as they are and I don't want their appearances to change.

If they tried to upgrade the actual appearances, I would be concerned that they might move in the direction of the trailer animation, which I think makes most of the cast look less appealing than their in-game models.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That is all that I want to see. I like my characters as they are and I don't want their appearances to change.

If they tried to upgrade the actual appearances, I would be concerned that they might move in the direction of the trailer animation, which I think makes most of the cast look less appealing than their in-game models.

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That's fair, but then why is a shader that going to do a little more than what Gshade already does for me take over a year to implement?

I'd much rather they focus on a completely new engine and bring this game into the 21st century.

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

That's fair, but then why is a shader that going to do a little more than what Gshade already does for me take over a year to implement?

I'd much rather they focus on a completely new engine and bring this game into the 21st century.

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Goes to show you have no clue what's going on if you think it's just Gshade, they have to upgrade textures and glamours as well and they mentioned not every NPC and glam piece will get touched in the go-around.

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Originally Posted by technole

Goes to show you have no clue what's going on if you think it's just Gshade, they have to upgrade textures and glamours as well and they mentioned not every NPC and glam piece will get touched in the go-around.

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Alrighty, so over a year, with increased cycles between patches, before they even do some of the characters and other models.

Lel.

I'm more interested in the improved animations they mentioned.
I really hope they manage to make the facial expression changes look more natural, and for the slim chance that they rid Hrothgar of the shit-in-my-pants stance.

They look alright. It's been a long time coming, I'd have to see more pictures though - with different lighting. The eyes in particular look pretty good.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I think the one on the far right was explicitly how it isn't going to look because they aren't aiming for super realistic?

The middle one is what they're going for thankfully, I'd be pretty unhappy if my character suddenly had pores you could serve dip out of.

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Yeah I know, Both me and my son cringed when we saw it and were glad to hear it was not gonna happen. However you know as soon as Graphic Update 1 goes up people will be digging up that pic demanding "Graphic Update 2: Electric Boogaloo". Some hair sheen would be nice.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Yeah I know, Both me and my son cringed when we saw it and were glad to hear it was not gonna happen. However you know as soon as Graphic Update 1 goes up people will be digging up that pic demanding "Graphic Update 2: Electric Boogaloo". Some hair sheen would be nice.

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We'll see what they end up settling on but I wouldn't mind a little bit of texture in the skin, but not whatever was going on in that image. Unless it was a toggle or facial feature you can add or remove, that'd be fine, great even.

The hair is already a big improvement in these early drafts so I look forward to seeing the end result.

Nice. Finally my rig can flex its muscles. Many players around me still bottlenecks it though.

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

Is it purely graphical or also an engine update? A lot of the limitations themselves come from the engine and not the graphics

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It's an engine update yes, they said precedently the current engine needs to be updated to support better quality textures and other effects.

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

That's fair, but then why is a shader that going to do a little more than what Gshade already does for me take over a year to implement?

I'd much rather they focus on a completely new engine and bring this game into the 21st century.

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Probably because they have to juggle doing that along with everything else. It's a no brainer that significant graphical upgrades will take a good bit of work and time. What we are seeing is essentially an engine upgrade in progress.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

It seems like our prayers have been answered! While I doubt this will include the coveted butt slider, this may mean we will see a revisit to character customization in 7.0


What I really want to see is a separation of face locked aesthetics: let miqo'te choose their face markings, let Viera have their tattoos regardless of head choice etc etc

Oh and finally decouple au ra horns from heads.

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its a good start but will not effect any ting in the over all. they sadly cant update the graphic engine. so better textures is goo as we get. what they really need is MORE PEOPLE working on the game.

The game really needs an engine update and I welcome the changes. Lighting, shadows and anti-aliasing are all noticeably terrible in this game in comparison to so many other MMOs it should actually be considered quite embarrassing. I dislike the current WoW game design direction but Blizzard always did a good job of adding modern rendering techniques to the game client with Shadowlands having modern ray traced shadows that require an RTX or RDNA2 (AMD) graphics cards. I'm playing this game on a PS5 and it's actually a pretty sub-par experience in my opinion because it looks bad and unlike an equivalently specced PC, doesn't even run as well at it should if it's going to look a old as it does at times.

I must be the only one not excited about this change. I don't want my miqote to have that toy doll look that Yshtola has in the EW intro cinematic and that's the direction I see this going...

I like the preview of the new character models so far. Better lighting and sharper textures etc. They could also increase the polygon count, IMHO. :)


Cheers

If you look at the Midlander's ears in the frontal comparison shot you'll notice they've actually got a more defined shape, so I think polygon count will go up

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Originally Posted by Bearskjold

I must be the only one not excited about this change. I don't want my miqote to have that toy doll look that Yshtola has in the EW intro cinematic and that's the direction I see this going...

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I don’t think I that will happen. I don’t think they want overly realistic. And that doll looks overly realistically creepy.

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

If you look at the Midlander's ears in the frontal comparison shot you'll notice they've actually got a more defined shape, so I think polygon count will go up

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https://i.ibb.co/DkbsMkB/cg.jpg

I cannot see, that they have increased the polygon count.


Cheers

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

https://i.ibb.co/DkbsMkB/cg.jpg

I cannot see, that they have increased the polygon count.


Cheers

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Yes, I think or at least hope they are starting with lighting and shaders but they HAVE, absoutely HAVE to touch the models and polygon count if this is to be a serious graphics update. I really hope they do, if they are going to take on a job as big as improving graphics they may as well do it right you know?

Am I the only one who thinks the first picture of Derplander upgraded (where he's facing forward) looks like a downgrade? The eyes feel a bit too far apart. The whole face looks better before.

Didn't see hroth but wondering if we might get some nice sort of fur shader... That could be pretty neat (which could also be applied to other fur objects, better fur on armors could be quite neat).

Another item I'd love if they could try to address during these multiple phases of upgrades is object view distance - there are a few really grand reaching views but they're a bit offset in 'grand'ness because there are a bunch of objects either missing or highly duplicated (in order to preserve memory of course, there is a reasons for it).

Sorry but this so called update is a sick joke if that on screens is all what they have to offer. All i see is that they added a Darker Background an put some dirt on all of the character Faces. Yea the hair looks a bit darker, but thats thanks to the background and overall darker lightning of the images on the right side. The biggest joke is the miquote face, there is like no change at all if you would put both pictures on the same brightness level.

Ok they look a bit sharper which is nice but that change is also not that big if you are using 4k resolution

At least for us PC players there is already an option available since years that has just a minimal performance impact (depends on the settings) and looks way better that what they are trying to achieve even with the worst preset. If they really want to know how this game could like (since over 5 years) they should take a closer look at one of the dozens awesome reshade presets for this game and add the necessary settings and filters.

https://i.imgur.com/6q6iYtO.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/OE1EvKH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HZ9G145.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4OrsygL.jpg

just a quick few examples that i had still on my HD of what is already possible with just a little effort. This game can really look amazing with the right filters, at least for PC users.

New Lala model looks great

https://www.potatogrower.com/Images/...%2001_opt.jpeg

That was my original joke, thank you.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

just a quick few examples that i had still on my HD of what is already possible with just a little effort. This game can really look amazing with the right filters, at least for PC users.

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Those honestly look awful to me. The contrast is far too harsh and the colours are jarring.

The original shot of the three kids is a bit dark (though they're in a dark indoor area so not exactly strange) but the altered one looks unnatural. The daylit shot of Y'shtola and Urianger looks absolutely fine to begin with and horrible after.

The basic screenshots could do with a tiny increase of contrast and colour intensity, but not that extent.