Maps being nerfed?

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Originally Posted by AbysmalDuck

That's because shell leather doesn't drop from the group 80 maps. Only from the solo maps.

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This is absolutely not true. I used to get them all the time from the group maps because they were the only maps I did for the entirety of SHB before EW with my FC.

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Originally Posted by Denji

This is absolutely not true. I used to get them all the time from the group maps because they were the only maps I did for the entirety of SHB before EW with my FC.

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Well, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. You said you've done hundreds. I compared your experience, with my experience, plus what I've read online. You let me know when you see one and I'll step down from my apparent hot take. Loot pools were changed at some point. Maybe that was when you were getting shell leather from group maps.

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Originally Posted by AbysmalDuck

Well, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. You said you've done hundreds. I compared your experience, with my experience, plus what I've read online. You let me know when you see one and I'll step down from my apparent hot take. Loot pools were changed at some point. Maybe that was when you were getting shell leather from group maps.

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I don't need to provide experience.

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Shell_Leather
https://twinfinite.net/2020/02/ffxiv...ather-how-get/
Timeworn Zonureskin Map - ※Level 80 full party (eight players) recommended.

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Originally Posted by Denji

I don't need to provide experience.

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Shell_Leather
https://twinfinite.net/2020/02/ffxiv...ather-how-get/
Timeworn Zonureskin Map - ※Level 80 full party (eight players) recommended.

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It's ok. Don't believe me. What's funny is if you actually read one of the links you provided, you'd see other people saying the same thing I have. Bet you look silly now.

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Originally Posted by AbysmalDuck

It's ok. Don't believe me. What's funny is if you actually read one of the links you provided, you'd see other people saying the same thing I have. Bet you look silly now.

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Ah, you're right. They do seem to be discussing that.

I mean... Yes, I do look silly. I don't know why you feel the need to be adversarial about it. In my defense it seems this update was in the last 4 months, which would align with shadowbringers and one of the last times most people did level 80 maps. It also seems like they want to confirm it first before updating the various pages. So. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ My only defense is that every site still says it's on the level 80 group maps and I was operating under the assumption that it had not changed.

If anything, the maps are probably too lucrative if the RMT farmers have been exploiting them as a source of income.

Toning down the gil rewards and increasing the amount of item drops to compensate might fix that, though...or they could just start actually banning them instead, because an entire party of level 80-90 bots takes a significant amount of time to set up.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

If anything, the maps are probably too lucrative if the RMT farmers have been exploiting them as a source of income.

Toning down the gil rewards and increasing the amount of item drops to compensate might fix that, though...or they could just start actually banning them instead, because an entire party of level 80-90 bots takes a significant amount of time to set up.

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They'll just sell the item drops. SE needs to give the anti botting team more staff, otherwise the botting will never be effectively combatted.

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Originally Posted by Denji

I've been repeatedly doing quite literally hundreds of level 80 maps for shell leather with my FC. I'm not even joking, we've done a hundred-odd of them now.

We made it to the end ONCE and not a single one of the maps has dropped a single thing of shell leather. It's insane. I am curious if they've done something.

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They move loot around after a while, especially the crafting materials as new ones get added. I just had a Shell Leather drop from a Gliderskin map 2 days ago on one of my alts. You may want to give those a try.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

If anything, the maps are probably too lucrative if the RMT farmers have been exploiting them as a source of income.

Toning down the gil rewards and increasing the amount of item drops to compensate might fix that, though...or they could just start actually banning them instead, because an entire party of level 80-90 bots takes a significant amount of time to set up.

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All that does is make the item drops even more worthless due to a flood of supply. Most of the times I run maps, I end up vendoring a lot of the items anyway because it's just cheap crafting mats and bad materia. The "big" items like the cloth or orchestrions have dropped quite low in price, so increasing droprate would render them valueless.

They have to tackle the bots. No other way around it. Their options are let bots ruin maps, ruin maps to stop bots, or actually tackle the issue. So far they're just sticking their heads in the sand and leaving it at option 1, similar to crafting.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Toning down the gil rewards and increasing the amount of item drops

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Currently the gil reward is the only valuable thing in maps, until they add more loot. Cloth and fashion accs cost cheap and other stuff cost more BECAUSE it's rare to drop

Yeah the new maps are horrible. My FC has probably done upwards of 80 of them and gotten to the last floor twice

is that why prices for the glam mats have been so low? because bots do maps now? I remember when shell leather was new, each leather was a million + for months. Now the new mats release and are 400k within weeks

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Originally Posted by Starshower

is that why prices for the glam mats have been so low? because bots do maps now? I remember when shell leather was new, each leather was a million + for months. Now the new mats release and are 400k within weeks

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They haven't breached EW zones yet, but I've seen multiple parties of them on every server farming HW/SB/ShB maps.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

is that why prices for the glam mats have been so low? because bots do maps now? I remember when shell leather was new, each leather was a million + for months. Now the new mats release and are 400k within weeks

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There's multiple reasons. The new glam isn't particularly appealing. Maps are generally quite easy but the new ones take this to an extreme and can be easily done in 2-3 person groups, I think WAR's even soloed it. Finally, the market board is in shambles, crafting is worthless and most sources of raw gil income have been nerfed, pushing most players into maps to try to scrape some gil, thus flooding the supply of Map loot. There's at least 100 listings on my world even though plenty sell each day.

Its not that they are nerfed, its that the past ones were buffed after a while. Eventually SE will buff the rates. You know, to keep the content alive longer, bad rates to start and good ones to get people to do it again once it does off.