Dark Knight feels terrible to play

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Originally Posted by Lyth

I think that people's expectations are being skewed based off of the amount of mitigation and self-healing available to the other three tanks. It does need to be standardized, but I'd prefer that they cut back some of the bloat, at least in the long run.

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I'd rather, in effect, trim Tank Mastery, such that we actually have use for those added capacities than lose active capacity. But I wouldn't hate to see it reeled back, either.

Granted, I don't care much for basically untimeable heals, in particular, like those of Storm's Path, Brutal Shell, and Souleater, Requiescat's 1600p healing per minute, or Equilibrium's bonus 1000p HoT via its EW trait. (Aurora, as an outlier with still some degree of control, especially via its second charge, is pretty much fine.)

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Also, why wouldn't you find a reason to use Hallowed in every dungeon run? Not all invulns were created equal.

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When did anyone claim otherwise? At most people have simply said that one doesn't need their invuln to survive leveling dungeons (and thus DRK's lack of an effective invuln doesn't nearly stop DRKs from managing dungeons just fine).

Not disagreeing; I just wonder who the "you" here is supposed to be (as even a 'royal you' tends to have some relevance at least to an existing position).

There is no royal 'you.'

The argument that Undeadfire made about tanks universally not needing to use invulns in dungeons is technically true due to mitigation bloat, but isn't a sensible one. You could run a dungeon without ever using Rampart if you really felt like it. It's still wasteful. There's no reason to sit on Hallowed. Living Dead is a different kettle of fish altogether.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

There is no royal 'you.'

The argument that Undeadfire made about tanks universally not needing to use invulns in dungeons is technically true due to mitigation bloat, but isn't a sensible one. You could run a dungeon without ever using Rampart if you really felt like it. It's still wasteful. There's no reason to sit on Hallowed. Living Dead is a different kettle of fish altogether.

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Exactly this, I mained DRK forever and when I seen what PLD was getting for the END expac I leveled paladin. I use Hallowed ground 2 times per dungeon easily. It makes your first and last packs easier in everyway. Superbolied is also super easy to drop 2 times in a dungeon, just tell the healer and save them 5 seconds of healing, sure they still have to blow some oGCD's, but they were going to have to heal you anyway. All you did was gain 10 seconds of immunity after your health was already going to drop to near 0.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

The argument that Undeadfire made about tanks universally not needing to use invulns in dungeons is technically true due to mitigation bloat, but isn't a sensible one. You could run a dungeon without ever using Rampart if you really felt like it. It's still wasteful. There's no reason to sit on Hallowed. Living Dead is a different kettle of fish altogether.

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Doesn't "need" the Invuln for survival, nothing wrong with "using" if it's chilling up, may as well use for good value, or you know, have a Whm as Drk.