If you want any chance of SE taking action to stop AFK botting, post in this thread

Daily resets at like 10am can work. They did it in the past, surprised they don't do it now. And if you are really online you will get instantly back again at that time of the day.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

excuse me? they arent there. they are AFK

they arent playing the game any more than the harvest bots, crafting bots or market bots are. its cheating, plain and simple. what they ARE doing is denying people who actually do want to get in and play, from doing that as soon as they could by being selfish and taking up a spot so they can avoid the queue while they are at work or having a nap or whatever. how can you defend such a selfish behaviour

and again.. what? if they didnt steal anything, why would you call them shoplifters?? the definition of shoplifting is literally STEALING SOMETHING

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I can defend their behavior because as I see it the fault lies with the people who failed to allocate adequate resources to the game. My schedule is remarkably free right now, as I'm working freelance from home and can play when I want as long as I meet deadlines. That said, I know a lot of people who've bought this game that have yet to be able to play it because they leave work at 5pm. Do I think them afk botting is totally cool? No, I think it's a flawed solution. But I also don't entirely blame them. As usual with any conflict of interests it isn't black and white (surprise!). What IS black and white to me is the relative futility and silliness of blaming one's fellow player for a problem they most certainly are not responsible for. As far as the analogy I used, it's just that; a loose comparison in terms of laying blame for the shortage of a finite resource. Given your proclivity to blame other disenfranchised customers, I'm not surprised you were tone-deaf to it. I'm sure you can find flaws there if you really want to but I don't really care. Have a great morning!

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Originally Posted by HazyAssaulter

I don't see anything wrong with me choosing to spend my free time doing this instead of playing the game. Especially considering the congestion issues right now.

Regardless, as said in the OP, this is my final thread regarding the matter.

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This is surprising , considering as a mod of the discussion subbredit , you think its ok to repeat post after post instead of contributing to what you had already created. Im sure if there were posts by the same reddit user, in the ffxivdiscussion subbreddit you mod for, saying the same thing over and over in repeated new posts about being disgruntled , whether understandably or not, the mods would remove them and probably give them a warning.


If you keep repeating the same talking points again and again by making new threads you get the opposite intended results of people ignoring you , the talking to a brick wall /boy cries wolf effect .

I already said I'm not making new threads. So, I feel your issue is already addressed.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

The only way for game company to truly prevent 3rd party tools is to install a spyware inside your computer
Are you willing to let them do that?
Privacy is a huge concern for our society right now

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Yes.

I mean I already played a game that did it and Windows and your phone are already spying on you, so what's the difference?

More witch hunts?

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Originally Posted by Imora

Yes.

I mean I already played a game that did it and Windows and your phone are already spying on you, so what's the difference?

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This isn't the way. Server resets or having GMs actually investigate would be measures that should be taken far, far before this is ever even considered. Not that it should ever be considered to begin with.

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Originally Posted by HazyAssaulter

This isn't the way. Server resets or having GMs actually investigate would be measures that should be taken far, far before this is ever even considered. Not that it should ever be considered to begin with.

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Why don't you simply report them, risk you own account and see what they say then. If you get told off for false reports then you have your answer stop going around trying to start a witch hunt and hate mob.

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Originally Posted by Alklios

How dare we want more from the greenbacks we spend!

Propose a solution or go back to getting your consumer rights infringed

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Oh god you're one of those people, the kind that shout out rules and regulations without any idea of how they actually work....

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Originally Posted by HazyAssaulter

This isn't the way. Server resets or having GMs actually investigate would be measures that should be taken far, far before this is ever even considered. Not that it should ever be considered to begin with.

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Then those GMs need to start invading peoples' houses and kicking with the ban stick.

Oh wait, they won't, because that takes effort.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Why don't you simply report them, risk you own account and see what they say then. If you get told off for false reports then you have your answer stop going around trying to start a witch hunt and hate mob.

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The people I know that do it have admitted they do it outside game repeatedly. I'd rather not have to report my friends. I'd rather they just get kicked out of the game or auto flagged for what's essentially botting.

This is the equivalent of Facebook likes curing cancer.

If I don't get paid, I'm blaming the AFKers.

People AFKing is not the main cause for the congestion....

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

People AFKing is not the main cause for the congestion....

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BINGO ^^^^^^^^^^

As someone whom made topics wanting a Limsa AFK timer years ago, you can imagine how much I've been correct since then.

Now I believe it has to be in the single digit percentages of AFKers affecting capacity. They could devise more methods where X/Y movement need to be of "substance" in a 30 minute span. Obviously they addressed previous exempt flags from the AFK system which was great.

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Originally Posted by technole

As someone whom made topics wanting a Limsa AFK timer years ago, you can imagine how much I've been correct since then.

Now I believe it has to be in the single digit percentages of AFKers affecting capacity. They could devise more methods where X/Y movement need to be of "substance" in a 30 minute span. Obviously they addressed previous exempt flags from the AFK system which was great.

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For me, it's less of capacity and more of "there's too dang many people in the houses doing it congesting the server for that."

I shouldn't be unable to enter my apartment or the FC house for 15 minutes because of congestion. People afking in their houses with macros and launcher plugins and the like on the other hand, are causing that. I VERY highly doubt that many people are in the houses for other reasons.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

People AFKing is not the main cause for the congestion....

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I don't think anybody in this thread argued that AFKers are the main cause for congestion. Certainly not me.


However, the situation is already bad enough as it is. We really don't need people exacerbating the situation. Every single person doing it makes congestion last that much longer. A lot of them are planning to static raid as well. If the queues drag out into Savage, they'll have themselves to blame when one of their members DC's and they have to cancel raid night.

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Originally Posted by HazyAssaulter

A lot of them are planning to static raid as well. If the queues drag out into Savage, they'll have themselves to blame when one of their members DC's and they have to cancel raid night.

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I'm from Europe and will raid at 5am on an NA DC, so when the queues would still be lengthy if things don't calm down. If I don't find a way to AFK before I go to sleep, we'll have to cancel raid either ways, because I'm not waking up at 2am to hopefully be on time.

Some people don't have a choice.

I cannot relate blaming my fellow player or myself for the situation, current and what's likely to happen to my static, when they are not responsible for the inadequacy of the servers. Either the unfortunate circumstances or SE, or both, are fair to blame, but certainly not people who are trying to access the service they are and have been paying for.

I support Square Enix combating ways around circumventing the auto-kick. The entire point is that some players are utilizing tools that are against TOS, which is in place for a reason. But like many others, I also doubt Square Enix would be able to "find" these people. But I guess this post shows my support?

Not sure if a server reset would change much, since I could easily just remote access my PC, and then go back to what i was doing before. Life is far too short to spend it needlessly waiting in queue. This is akin to blaming the housing problems on those with multiple plot, because do not place SE’s unwillingness to expand their budget so they could have gotten extra servers YEARS ago.

Also outside of certain steps SE will never really be able to get rid of third party support that is just a pipe dream.

Not needed, and wouldn't solve the problem. Just inconvenience anyone that just waited through a queue to play.

Imagine you legit waited in line 3 or 4 hours only to log into a rolling restart. I'd legit flip my PC. Suddenly you have the entire game trying to relog at once and if it's during prime time those afk people are likely not afk. So now you just have everyone in line at once potentially overloading the log in server and your right back in queue.

If it's not prime time you can already log in. Midnight to Miday is already either a low queue or no queue. Most people afking are just logging in during non prime hours and afking til prime time. So if you kick us during non prime time everyone just relogs in anyways since no queues, and if you kick during prime time you're just going to tick people off with zero benefits.

This is one of the worse solutions to a problem I've ever seen. Really guys think it through next time.

Why don't they just force you to log off after 24 hours?

24 hours is more than enough time to play the game. At that point go to sleep.

I do have to ask why should others also be inconvenienced because they are not willing or unable to work around the issue themselves?

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

I do have to ask why should others also be inconvenienced because they are not willing or unable to work around the issue themselves?

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Because not everyone is willing to break the rules, or have their fun at the expense of other players.

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Originally Posted by HazyAssaulter

Because not everyone is willing to break the rules, or have their fun at the expense of other players.

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If you're playing while someone is sitting in queue, you're having fun at someone else's expense whether you waited 20 seconds in queue or 2 hours.

Best we can do is just report if we suspect a bot or sellers SE can't handle everything but we can do our part to keep this community great

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Originally Posted by HazyAssaulter

Because not everyone is willing to break the rules, or have their fun at the expense of other players.

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If you are playing and someone is not able to play due to being in queue aren't you having fun at their expense following your train of thought.

As for the rules part, I mean that largely boils down to a lack of enforce either due to inability or unwillingness. Either way to hold people accountable for not moving forward with rules that are not enforced is funny to say the least.

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Originally Posted by Clicked

Why don't they just force you to log off after 24 hours?

24 hours is more than enough time to play the game. At that point go to sleep.

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If they did that I would stop playing the game. I have gone on a 24 hour stint if I have off from work for 3 days to catch up on story things and to grind out something. Korean mmos would nag and nag when you were logged in for 5 hours complaining to take a break mind you I do not play every hour on the hour in those stints. Many breaks are taken and tab outs to look up something, but the game doesn't know if your tabbed out it just sees the time counter. I don't know. Maybe I just hate automated systems in general >.<

On a side note similar to the bots clicking on placards 24/7 they will find a way around it, and it could just end up punishing actually people.

Why stop there? I encountered at least a dozen gathering bots yesterday for aethersands. Not RMT bots, mind you, but "legit" players with free companies, level 90s, and search comments.

Totally not suspicious when they follow the exact same pathing and are gathering for 18 hours straight.

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Originally Posted by HazyAssaulter

This is the last thread I'm making on the topic. I have already made several about it. After this it's out of my hands, but I'll keep the thread alive and on the front page if others will.

If you think SE needs to do *something* about people using third party tools / macros to stay logged into the game the entire day, then please post in this thread. Post it in repeatedly, every day, until we get an official response, or the issue is otherwise resolved. This is pretty much the only method that has any chance of actually reaching SE ears.



If the thread dies, I'm done.

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And what means do you suppose SE can go about solving this issue? How do you think the game client can go about detecting other software running on the computer, if not by literally injecting spyware in to the game so they can see a script pressing spacebar.

A solution already exists, and that's reporting suspecting players. I for one am not in favor of SE invading our privacy to maybe have a chance at detecting anything.

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Originally Posted by Otohane

Why stop there? I encountered at least a dozen gathering bots yesterday for aethersands. Not RMT bots, mind you, but "legit" players with free companies, level 90s, and search comments.

Totally not suspicious when they follow the exact same pathing and are gathering for 18 hours straight.

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How would you know if they are gathering bots? Also i tend to follow the same path when gathering its easy to zone out and put ur self on auto pilot.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

How would you know if they are gathering bots? Also i tend to follow the same path when gathering its easy to zone out and put ur self on auto pilot.

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There easy to spot you will see them gathering and moving with a afk symbol above there head.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

How would you know if they are gathering bots? Also i tend to follow the same path when gathering its easy to zone out and put ur self on auto pilot.

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You can follow a path that's close to the same, but not exactly the same like bots do.

If there are multiple people botting the same set of nodes, it's painfully obvious as they'll form a conga line.

They also just have a really awkward pattern of behavior with a noticeable, but consistent delay between actions like mounting up, then taking flight after gathering at a node. At the core a bot is basically just a really long, complicated macro and by necessity they have delays between their actions to avoid hiccups as things like latency can otherwise cause them to get locked into a loop.

Who care xD