I'm rooting for WoW

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Originally Posted by Ravi1313

To get good and take all their players back.

I'm not even kidding

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until they boot bobby kotick and ion hazzikostas, NOTHING will get better. :(

Hey guys, we are not some toxic wow community.
Just greet him farewell and wish him good luck in WoW.

People that play WoW have some strange type of derangement syndrome at this point. The game hasn't been good for 10 years+. It is absolute garbage. They treat their employees and players like garbage as well. The people that created the "good" version of WoW are looooong gone. Yet people valiantly defend that absolute trash. I find it amusing at least. Carry on!

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Originally Posted by Reap00

People that play WoW have some strange type of derangement syndrome at this point. The game hasn't been good for 10 years+. It is absolute garbage. They treat their employees and players like garbage as well. The people that created the "good" version of WoW are looooong gone. Yet people valiantly defend that absolute trash. I find it amusing at least. Carry on!

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Hell. In my opinion, to play WoW right now and give them money is to say I am "OK with them grabbing ass. It is fine that they do that." And honestly those gamers are sick as hell. Something is jacked up in their head.

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Originally Posted by Ravi1313

Man these SE white knights ARE fast! that wasn't even 5 mins

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.....so you were a Troll.
Good to know. And here I was about to give you a thumbs up for a good post, but if your goal was to just rile people up so you can make fun of them, then anything positive I could have said is now gone.

It'd be so "tragic" for World of Warcraft, a game many of us once loved, to actually be worth playing again.

Yes, it would definitely be a dark day if anyone could actually enjoy themselves in a game that used to be wonderful.

o_O

FFXIV's success didn't come from WOW's failure. FFXIV's problems right now come from WOW's failure, though.-

I cant tell if this is an ironic opinion or not.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

FFXIV's success didn't come from WOW's failure. FFXIV's problems right now come from WOW's failure, though.-

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Tbh i think this is a bit untrue. A majority of the influx of players were getting lately is due to the WoW crowd hopping over. Sure the game has obviously gotten bigger before then from ARR to ShB, but the game had and has very apparent problems that are now only overlooked because it’s really the only not terrible mmo on the market. At this point between wow and 14 it’s the matter of picking the better of two evils. I do think though a lot of SE’s recent success is due to WoW crashing.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Tbh i think this is a bit untrue. A majority of the influx of players were getting lately is due to the WoW crowd hopping over. Sure the game has obviously gotten bigger before then from ARR to ShB, but the game had and has very apparent problems that are now only overlooked because it’s really the only not terrible mmo on the market. At this point between wow and 14 it’s the matter of picking the better of two evils. I do think though a lot of SE’s recent success is due to WoW crashing.

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We had 8 years of good content and steady growth. It didn't get good the moment WOW died.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

FFXIV's success didn't come from WOW's failure. FFXIV's problems right now come from WOW's failure, though.-

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FF14's problems now is Square Enix's own fault for refusing to update servers after two previous expansions of server issues.

You see, its not just WoW being bad, it's the really horrid meme that we as a player base spammed every where. *Did you know FFXIV has a Free Trial............*

Thats not to mention........You all shove this game down everyones throats every chance ya'll get. Did you expect people to not play, did you expect people to go *haha what a funny meme :D*

No, you advertised a game, you gave this game free advertisement for MONTHS. its not just WoW, it's a lot more then just WoW.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

We had 8 years of good content and steady growth. It didn't get good the moment WOW died.

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I mean steady growth? Compare SB to ShB, even pre covid.A LOT of Content was missing. Even 8 years later, we have them still mass reusing gear in new dungeons and now even reusing songs for dungeons. It took them 8 years just to finally acknowledge the housing problem lmao.

You're rooting for a company that steals breast milk from the staff refrigerator and other sexual harassment issues? Over what exactly? Oh right, you're here just to troll. I get it. Where are the mods? :P

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Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis

You're rooting for a company that steals breast milk from the staff refrigerator and other sexual harassment issues? Over what exactly? Oh right, you're here just to troll. I get it. Where are the mods? :P

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O damn. I just heard about that. Stealing breast milk has to be hitting a all time low. Like damn. No way I am returning to that nonsense....LoL. Still has me laughing when I think about it. Some freaks over there.

Wow died next year no more blizzard its insight

That not the big thing .the killer that killed wow was girl who killed her self because her dev boy friend passed naked pictures of her prvts and she killed her self

Dude, multi-million dollar game. multi-billion dollar company. If they wanted the parts, they could get them. It's cheap corporate greed, at it's finest.

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Originally Posted by xod

Dude, multi-million dollar game. multi-billion dollar company. If they wanted the parts, they could get them. It's cheap corporate greed, at it's finest.

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What part of "semiconductor shortage" don't you get? It's not just causing problems for gaming companies. Automotive industry is also being hit because modern cars use microchips. Many modern industries are being impacted by this, not just Square-Enix.

If they wanted the parts, and wanted to pay the premium to get them, they could. A shortage doesnt mean theres none it means theyre more expensive. It's corporate greed.

Yes, and that's why everything is more expensive now. Why the level of inflation is higher than it's been since the 80's. It still doesn't mean that the parts don't exist. It means the company would have to take a hit to get them and they are as to this point it seems unwilling to take a loss for their customer bases happiness. If you can't see that, idk man. It's completely blatantly obvious. This isn't a lego set it's a multi-million dollar game thats been running for a decade.. This isn't a "we cant get the parts issue" it's a "we're too cheap to pay the premium" issue.

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Originally Posted by Ravi1313

To get good and take all their players back.

I'm not even kidding

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I am also rooting for WoW.

To clarify, I am rooting for 14's best future, too, because there is nothing wrong with playing two MMO games.

But...WoW would have to do a LOT to impress me at this point. Starting with a massive restructuring of management and including a total rework of the game on the same level and with same commitment that 14 showed when they remade 11.

WoW has hit a dead end. The story has been carried too far for too long and no longer supports itself. Vast segments of the game have served their brief purpose and been abandoned and left to rot, leaving only memories. The game itself shoves you into a narrow minded end game in hopes that you will forget all that there is about the game that is now utterly pointless.

WoW as it used to be is long since dead and only the occasional twitching of certain parts of it give the sense of life.

I hope not that WoW will be somehow restored, but that it will be completely reborn.

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Originally Posted by Ravi1313

To get good and take all their players back.

I'm not even kidding

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Even if WoW became absolutely amazing that's not going to happen on time for the queues to be alleviated. There isn't even a release date for 9.2 yet and there is no way that it's going to turn everything around. The trailer has gotten a lot of mixed reactions and they simply have not had enough time to fix the long list of glaring issues. Only a new expansion is going to be able to do that. It's frankly too much for a mere patch to fix.

Never mind how many WoW players have realised they're far happier in different games now than they ever were in WoW even when they thought it was great. And for some that game is FFXIV. Certainly I would give WoW another chance if the content looked good, but if a WoW content release overlapped with a FFXIV release there is no chance I would play WoW first.

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Originally Posted by Ravi1313

To get good and take all their players back.

I'm not even kidding

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that would be really hard for me, after seeing that shadowlands was just as bad as the last few wow xpacks i quit. to make sure i NEVER went back i deleted all my characters which meant i also deleted my spectral tiger mounts and other TCG rewards. i started ff14 in 2019 before covid and quit it when the queues were annoying here. they did make some improvement in the last couple of years, but not enough to keep me through 7-9k queues with HOURS of waiting just to get dropped. i figure 3-6 months before the queues get under an hour, i have no idea when i'll come back, an hour isnt it though.

I'm not, not anymore lmao
Blizz blew it bad and, for me personally, they'd have to magic a miracle out of the aether to make that game worth playing again. No way Blizz can manage that in time to kick these queues down to something reasonable before they do it on their own :p

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Originally Posted by xod

If they wanted the parts, and wanted to pay the premium to get them, they could. A shortage doesnt mean theres none it means theyre more expensive. It's corporate greed.

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Paying more does not make the supply of something magically increase. Shortage literally means not enough exists to meet the demands. Only so many are being made to be sold, this means that SE is competing with other billion and trillion dollar companies, all also paying premiums and even extra to get what supply is available. Simply throwing money at something does not negate supply shortages.

Honestly ff14 has plenty of players that enjoy wow.

Heck yoshi himself likes wow. Most people want wow to be good competition is good and helps both games get better.

Likewise you should be rooting for ff14. The queues are indeed bad, but indicative of massive success.

It be hard for any mmo to take on a large portion of wow over night and wow basically having another below average expansion, and a massive scandal simultaneously likely hit square by surprise.

I mean I certainly expected more out of shadow lands and the large scale scandal hit me out of the blue anyways.

Personally I'd wow love wow to see queues again.

WoW won't get many of their players back that have already left.

I know that I will NEVER touch a Blizzard product ever again.

One way or another, we need more healthy competition in the MMO market.

I am too, honestly. I started playing WoW last year at the end of BfA until SL came out and that's where it ended for me. Was quick lol.
Classic is waaaay more fun but I miss the QoL that's in retail as well. Blizzard just really screwed up, from the game itself to the scandals.
It's really a shame, because it's an awesome game but the direction and Big wigs are all over the place and are quitting/resigning.

I'm one of few people that I know who like WoW more than XIV but even I see it's plethora worth of issues.
It'll take a miracle for it to have it's glory restore though and it needs to start with removing all the bad apples in the staff....Like clueless Ion lol
and having people actually listen to their playerbase and give a crap about them.

WoW died years ago, people just clung to it. Even if WoW released a good expansion I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. Disgusting Dev team aside, the amount of content, key storyline, relics, mounts and minions they've straight up deleted over the years or attached to 6 month subs to create their FOMO effect make it pointless to even consider going back if you want to dedicate to an MMO. There's far too much you'll just never get. Plus they'd have to redesign the entire game at this stage. Too much treadmills, facebook mission tables, pathfinders, rush to endgame, the faction split and other ingrained aspects of the game that just ruin it. It's beyond repair.

I'd rather FF14 just got servers (and tank/heal designers). The launch is a shambles. The expansion itself is brilliant.

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Originally Posted by Ravi1313

To get good and take all their players back.

I'm not even kidding

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LET'S GO WoW. Save my queue times!

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Originally Posted by Darksummoner

Hell. In my opinion, to play WoW right now and give them money is to say I am "OK with them grabbing ass. It is fine that they do that." And honestly those gamers are sick as hell. Something is jacked up in their head.

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This is what they say over on the WoW forums about that..

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...ing/302092/111

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Originally Posted by Ravi1313

To get good and take all their players back.

I'm not even kidding

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Bobby Kotick needs help for his seventh yacht.

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Originally Posted by Darksummoner

Not to be rude, but it is a little too late. I have fallen in love with FFXIV and I love my Free company. The game is cool and I really like it. I just have a HUGE ISSUE with SE and "Error 2002" stuff. other then that I am madly in love with FF.

I have no plans what so ever to return to the booty grabbers and give them my money. They need to be taught a hard lesson in treating their customers with dignity as well as their employees. They can go to hell for all I care.

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100% agree with this.

Meh, I haven't touch it for 13 years. I'm too long gone for WoW.

So am I to believe that the, Queue times, are all ex-WoW players fault? This level of immaturity is astounding, to say the very least.

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Originally Posted by Ravi1313

bored arguing on the forums? already level 90 with the queues. lol nice life

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Are you twelve years old? Seriously. Being max level on one job after a week means they have no life? That's a leisurely pace, my friend, even with the queues. I know because I've played the last week (long queues and all) and managed to get to the end of the MSQ and max level on one job last night just playing casually. Yet because of that we have no lives? What does that say about someone who spends their free time making troll posts on the forums? Sounds like you're so unsatisfied with your life that your only recourse is try to bring others down to your own unhappy level.

Given the current state of both the game and the company behind it, 'fixing things' would be a very long process. By the time they'd get things right on both fronts enough for people to even consider going back, we'd already be a couple content patches into Endwalker and the queue problem would have most likely been fixed by then (either working itself out over time or through new infrastructure).

And even if they did, I wouldn't bother going back as I've found a good home here and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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Originally Posted by Caladir

Your first post on the forums and this is how you decided to use it?

Got to love these brand new people that don't even have a month under the belt making ridiculous posts.

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What do you expect? This is how we raise our children now: if something upsets you, you go online and vent your frustration.

No doubt when OP couldn't log in (or whatever their issue is/was), instead of dealing with the pain internally (as we did pre-social-media), their first thought was to go vent online.

Great job, us.

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Originally Posted by Lexis

Given the current state of both the game and the company behind it, 'fixing things' would be a very long process. By the time they'd get things right on both fronts enough for people to even consider going back, we'd already be a couple content patches into Endwalker and the queue problem would have most likely been fixed by then (either working itself out over time or through new infrastructure).

And even if they did, I wouldn't bother going back as I've found a good home here and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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Maybe 1 content patch into EW.