I hate when my husband is right.

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Originally Posted by Swimcito

Hhmm, weird..

When i entered i was about 3400, then got disconnected, but was quickly able to get in the same spot in the queue i was before...

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Happened to me too, was at about 1100 after waiting from 3300 and when I got back it was at just over 1000.

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Originally Posted by Swimcito

Hhmm, weird..

When i entered i was about 3400, then got disconnected, but was quickly able to get in the same spot in the queue i was before...

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I went from 1800ish to 4kish to 5kish. So not sure how it is actually working for some.

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Originally Posted by Swimcito

Hhmm, weird..

When i entered i was about 3400, then got disconnected, but was quickly able to get in the same spot in the queue i was before...

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Others have been saying that there may be some kind of timer. Like if you get kicked but are able to come back in quickly, you'll keep your spot in queue. But if it takes you a few minutes, you'll most likely get booted to the back of the line.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

I feel like some of you don't read my issue. I'm not sure what a chip shortage, has to do with my issue.

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They can't just "upgrade" current servers past what they have done. There's a whole post on the lodestone about this. If you expected something different it's kind of your own fault.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

I was like, this company is good at learning from mistakes It knows it does not have enough servers so they going to add systems that help people go back in queue if they get dc while waiting. After all 2000+ queue they knew was going to happen. They will be ready right.

My husband laughed at me, and now I want to punch him. 2000+ queue get low dc now 2900 again. Oh error, now 4600 in queue. Was 800 away.



Really hard to defend this, they knew it was going to happen. So why can't we hold our queue spot for a few after a dc?

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Laugh with a smug face and say “told you so”? That deserve more than a punch in the face, a special he’ll reserve just for those people

Even though I have prepare myself I thought Raubahn 2.0 would not happen, especially I think Yoshi-P mentioned they have learnt from such event

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

Two things A) don't believe everything they tell you, they don't answer to the players(and they have lied before), they answer to the stock holders when it comes to money B) when did they initiate the order process, the factories are running at 100% when they prefer not to. TSMC and others are still max producing and also see they plan to increase prices by another 20% (/sad).

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This is stuff they've told stockholders. It's pretty illegal to lie to stockholders.

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Originally Posted by Exosapien

Superconductors are needed for server, which are massively more expensive.. They can't just "upgrade" current servers past what they have done. There's a whole post on the lodestone about this. If you expected something different it's kind of your own fault.

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The queue is not the issue, so the chip shortage is not my problem what Im getting at. I'm ok with the queue.

This is nothing wait until it's prime time or the weekend.

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

Laugh with a smug face and say “told you so”? That deserve more than a punch in the face, a special he’ll reserve just for those people

Even though I have prepare myself I thought Raubahn 2.0 would not happen, especially I think Yoshi-P mentioned they have learnt from such event

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I was all nice as well. Got our snacks ready, made some sammich. Our desk are right next to each other. It was so cute, and he just rolled over and was like. "You know it is not going to work right." I had to jump on the bed to get him out of it. The smug look he has while snacking, and playing Dead Cells. Ugh!

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

The issue is not a problem, the problem is not learning from the same issue we had last time with huge queues. Getting dropped out of queue they knew happens, so they should have at least did something to make it easier.

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truth

:o;):rolleyes:

So, remember the Silocon SHortage that they mentioned like a bajillion times. And how they also said they can't buy better servers because of the semi conductor issues with the silicone shortage.
In laymans terms, this is the better outcome and shadowbringers was p much this and that was seen as a near perfect launch.

To be honest, if my wife said that to me, I'd laugh at her too.

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Originally Posted by Jin-

There isnt a single game which does not have these issues :P

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Never experienced mega-queues with ESO. Played it for years. Of course it has many other MASSIVE problems. But not that.

I have no judgment on the current situation with FF14. Having low expectations is always best.

There have been silicon chip shortages.
There have been delays and logistical issues due to covid.
There was an unprecedented and unplanned influx of WoW players.

They admitted all this. We all knew this.
Your husband was simply paying attention.

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Originally Posted by Michiko

My big issue is when you get DC'd in the queue with the lovely 2002 error. Why does it have to close the entire client? instead of you know.. bringing you back to server/data select screen. I expect to time out. It is the way of things but just let us hit start again instead of going through the sign in process please.

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This.

Especially since the stupid launcher also closes when the game is launched. Gotta open that back up, the the game...

Im not angry but early access is useless when you cant even get in. We are headed for the weekend and Id rather NOT spend it in queues for hours on end.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

There have been silicon chip shortages.
There have been delays and logistical issues due to covid.
There was an unprecedented and unplanned influx of WoW players.

They admitted all this. We all knew this.
Your husband was simply paying attention.

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You have a reading problem it seems. The lack of reading comprehension some of you have is just out of this world.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

Really hard to defend this, they knew it was going to happen. So why can't we hold our queue spot for a few after a dc?

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I would bet that it's because that's not how the handshake transfer from login to lobby to data center selection and character selection work. They could rework the entire system to make your desire a reality, but considering this is a problem for like.. one week out of every 2 years or so... maybe not worth it. Especially since it seems most just deal with it.

I spent an hour doing the login dance while I watched the new Venom movie. Now I'm in and enjoying the heck out of myself. You can throw a snit fit... or accept that a 10 year old game probably has some archaic front end networking processes that only cause problems when extremely unusual amounts of players all try to join at the same time.

Props to your husband for predicting the thing that was most likely to happen. *golf clap*

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I would bet that it's because that's not how the handshake transfer from login to lobby to data center selection and character selection work. They could rework the entire system to make your desire a reality, but considering this is a problem for like.. one week out of every 2 years or so... maybe not worth it. Especially since it seems most just deal with it.

I spent an hour doing the login dance while I watched the new Venom movie. Now I'm in and enjoying the heck out of myself. You can throw a snit fit... or accept that a 10 year old game probably has some archaic front end networking processes that only cause problems when extremely unusual amounts of players all try to join at the same time.

Props to your husband for predicting the thing that was most likely to happen. *golf clap*

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Ah ok so the developers have a hard time doing something that other mmos are doing, I did not know they was that unskilled. Good to know, basic features other games have with queue systems they lack the ability to do.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

Ah ok so the developers have a hard time doing something that other mmos are doing, I did not know they was that unskilled. Good to know, basic features other games have with queue systems they lack the ability to do.

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Every game is different and I'm not a developer, I'm guessing like everyone else. However pointing and saying "but that game did it" with no knowledge of the processes involved whatsoever isn't a great look. There are myriad problems and this is an old game. I'm honestly surprised with the amount of new stuff they continually manage to squeeze out of it without completely redoing things. So grouse if you like, but everything seems fine now.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Every game is different and I'm not a developer, I'm guessing like everyone else. However pointing and saying "but that game did it" with no knowledge of the processes involved whatsoever isn't a great look. There are myriad problems and this is an old game. I'm honestly surprised with the amount of new stuff they continually manage to squeeze out of it without completely redoing things. So grouse if you like, but everything seems fine now.

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I don't buy that but each own. This is a server thing not really a game thing. This is not a game engine issue.


But you can believe what you want. I don't give the developers a pass on this. They knew it was going be a issue. Figuring out a way to let us keep our queue if we get dc is the least they can do.

It's probably a technical limitation due to how the console connections work or something.

I imagine they would have if they could.

Never expect to play on demand. Most mmorpgs ToS state access is not guaranteed, I'd imagine this to be the same.

Take a walk or something.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

I don't buy that but each own. This is a server thing not really a game thing. This is not a game engine issue.

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I think I did state it was more to do with how the servers, login, lobby, character and data center talk to each other.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

But you can believe what you want. I don't give the developers a pass on this. They knew it was going be a issue. Figuring out a way to let us keep our queue if we get dc is the least they can do.

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.. thanks for the permission. I'm sure they're distraught that they didn't please you and are itching for your forgiveness. The least they can do is absolutely nothing. However they warned us, did what they could to upgrade the infrastructure and even pushed to try and add even more but that wasn't possible. The entire time being as transparent as they possibly could. Considering you have absolutely no idea what it would take to do what you want, I'd take a less demanding tone. Yes they knew it was going to happen. They even specifically mentioned the 2002 errors in that last caveat before early release. I think if it was easy, it would probably have been done.

But .. yknow.. keep being mad about stuff that happened yesterday. That's... something you can do.

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Originally Posted by Jin-

There isnt a single game which does not have these issues :P

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I might not play enough games then, because I don't know many triple A MMOs with constant random disconnection and dx11 crashes.

And this was before today. The only difference now is that you are punished with 30 minute queues for the company's incompetence at fixing long standing issues.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I think I did state it was more to do with how the servers, login, lobby, character and data center talk to each other.



.. thanks for the permission. I'm sure they're distraught that they didn't please you and are itching for your forgiveness. The least they can do is absolutely nothing. However they warned us, did what they could to upgrade the infrastructure and even pushed to try and add even more but that wasn't possible. The entire time being as transparent as they possibly could. Considering you have absolutely no idea what it would take to do what you want, I'd take a less demanding tone. Yes they knew it was going to happen. They even specifically mentioned the 2002 errors in that last caveat before early release. I think if it was easy, it would probably have been done.

But .. yknow.. keep being mad about stuff that happened yesterday. That's... something you can do.

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You are welcome, and I just don't buy your answer. They knew it was going to be big queues and most of us did not have a problem with it, but having a system that saves your place in queue if you get dc. They could at least come out and say they can't do it. I figure they would learn.

Im annoyed not mad, but thanks for assuming *golf clap* now done answering you.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

I might not play enough games then, because I don't know many triple A MMOs with constant random disconnection and dx11 crashes.

And this was before today. The only difference now is that you are punished with 30 minute queues for the company's incompetence at fixing long standing issues.

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You missed wows launch then.

Game was unplayable for most of the first two weeks and longer on some servers.

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Originally Posted by Imora

You missed wows launch then.

Game was unplayable for most of the first two weeks and longer on some servers.

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Which was when? 2002? When MMOs were relatively new and not mainstream so events such as this weren't common so they didn't have the benefit of in hindsight?

It's been almost 20 years now and technology has advanced.

And also we are supposed to be ff good, not wow bad.

This is why I don't take time off on a MMO launch.

Not to mention that as a lot of people have admitted in all these threads, using illegal 3rd party programs allows you to connect to the game in minutes with no issues at all.

A bunch of hackers can create a better launcher than Squarenix.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

Not to mention that as a lot of people have admitted in all these threads, using illegal 3rd party programs allows you to connect to the game in minutes with no issues at all.

A bunch of hackers can create a better launcher than Squarenix.

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you mean "allows you to connect to the game in minutes to the detriment of others", that's a kinda big difference.

on the point of the thread, does this really happen to you (all) ? because square does in fact save your position in queue, at least under some circumstances.

i'm in discord right now with about 15 people, one got her account restricted while logging in because of suspicious activity and was asked to change her password. took her a few minutes to sort it out, afterwards she signed back up right in the queue position where she left off. another person had a dx11 crash while logging in, same thing, he got back in right where he left off.

so yea, don't know when and how but there is at least some protection actually in place.

Pretty sure they throttle, if the server was unstable because everyone was on, it would look worse then if you simple hard cap the entire thing and leave ppl 3h in the queue.

All they create is a downward spiral of "im not waiting 3h for a log in, ill stay logged in by other means" which clogs the server more.

Heres hoping this will even out, also on a side note, almost every keyboard has a macro repeat funktion that could press W for you for a sec once per 25min ... not that anyone should ever do that.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

This is why I don't take time off on a MMO launch.

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to be absolutely clear though, after that first hour it's relatively easy to get on and play now on some of the most populated servers and if not on those you can world visit to progress.

Well our server has 11000 players in queue. Then it crashed. They confirmed there is an issue with our server.

If some of you attempted to play World of Warcraft "Classic" when it came out a couple years back, you'd be desensitized by this by now. Queues of over 20,000, queues that lasted several hours, servers that crashed multiple times, realms that went down for hours before coming back up, all over a game that had already released over a decade prior and was just a "re-release" lol. And this was the "vaunted" Activision Blizzard, with all of it's resources.

I really don't know how my experience has been so much different than the horror stories I'm reading about Endwalker's launch. I'm on Aether DC which is incredibly populated, I logged in around 8am est to a 44 person queue on my server and I haven't been disconnected once. No lag or MSQ issues in-game either, it's been perfectly stable.

Those numbers are hell itself. 2002- 2020. >.>

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Originally Posted by Michiko

My big issue is when you get DC'd in the queue with the lovely 2002 error. Why does it have to close the entire client? instead of you know.. bringing you back to server/data select screen. I expect to time out. It is the way of things but just let us hit start again instead of going through the sign in process please.

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YES. And finally let us save login data, at least if im using a security tokken as well...

Meanwhile i can't even get into the que. 2002 errors before i even get into the character selection screen.

It would help alot if a 2002 error doesnt quit the entire game, so you have to relog all over again.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I think I did state it was more to do with how the servers, login, lobby, character and data center talk to each other.



.. thanks for the permission. I'm sure they're distraught that they didn't please you and are itching for your forgiveness. The least they can do is absolutely nothing. However they warned us, did what they could to upgrade the infrastructure and even pushed to try and add even more but that wasn't possible. The entire time being as transparent as they possibly could. Considering you have absolutely no idea what it would take to do what you want, I'd take a less demanding tone. Yes they knew it was going to happen. They even specifically mentioned the 2002 errors in that last caveat before early release. I think if it was easy, it would probably have been done.

But .. yknow.. keep being mad about stuff that happened yesterday. That's... something you can do.

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With every post they make they're sounding more and more like a petulant child to me.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

Which was when? 2002? When MMOs were relatively new and not mainstream so events such as this weren't common so they didn't have the benefit of in hindsight?

It's been almost 20 years now and technology has advanced.

And also we are supposed to be ff good, not wow bad.

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Uh no, this was just last year. Shadowlands had just as a rocky of a launch as this. Hells it had weeks of problems because of their world bosses crashing zones every week. But you know, only SE has expac problems. Would it be nice for things to be absolutely perfect at launch? Yes. Will it happen? Probably not until they entire country has its internet infrastructure overhauled and is on fiber.