Why Do People Set Oddly High iLvls for Party Finder?

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Originally Posted by Chyro

What I was trying to point out with my post is that it's pretty much an illusion that setting a higher ilvl bar increases the 'success' of a run.

Learning a class to the point of proficiency doesn't take the same kind of time investment (and repetitive grind) as getting full tomestome gear, especially if someone is a fast learner and plays multiple classes that each need gear.

Sure, you can set whatever itemlevel requirement you want for your PF. Just the higher you set it, the longer it takes to fill - and the longer until you find out in the actual fight if you have a party actually able to farm it or not. A lot of farm parties fail regrardless of itemlevel requirements, so may as well fail faster and remake the party to increase the chances of getting one together that is capable of doing it. You can't vet if someone is capable or not, so all you can do is try it in the fight how well the party does. Is that such an odd way of thinking? Being a few itemlevels higher won't make any difference if the player doesn't do the mechanics well or isn't playing their class well. So why pretend that requiring a higher itemlevel is going to make a difference?

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Because ilvl is the minimal proof we have access to in order to determine if the person joining is decent. I will admit there are other avenues as well - checking their FFlogs, for example if we’re at e12s or something - but I’d genuinely rather take an ilvl 530 Mnk with BiS over a ilvl 510 Monk. Higher ilvl shows effort that has been invested thus far - and I prefer players who put effort into the classes they choose to play by gearing them appropriately.

But this is coming from someone who does put ilvl528 as a minimum for her farm parties. I have every single class at 80 and every job is in BiS - with both savage and augmented pieces - it’s not particularly hard to manage that.

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Originally Posted by Chyro

What I was trying to point out with my post is that it's pretty much an illusion that setting a higher ilvl bar increases the 'success' of a run.

Learning a class to the point of proficiency doesn't take the same kind of time investment (and repetitive grind) as getting full tomestome gear, especially if someone is a fast learner and plays multiple classes that each need gear.

Sure, you can set whatever itemlevel requirement you want for your PF. Just the higher you set it, the longer it takes to fill - and the longer until you find out in the actual fight if you have a party actually able to farm it or not. A lot of farm parties fail regrardless of itemlevel requirements, so may as well fail faster and remake the party to increase the chances of getting one together that is capable of doing it. You can't vet if someone is capable or not, so all you can do is try it in the fight how well the party does. Is that such an odd way of thinking? Being a few itemlevels higher won't make any difference if the player doesn't do the mechanics well or isn't playing their class well. So why pretend that requiring a higher itemlevel is going to make a difference?

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If I understood correctly, the OP was referring to a clear/farm party instead of a prog party. There's a difference between the two, although numbers do not lie that the higher your ilv is, the better your marginal performance will be.

In prog parties, watching, performing, and understanding the mechanics takes priority. In this case failed major mechanic literally means a wipe, regardless of iLv, like you've said.
In a farm/clear, it's a different story. Everybody are assumed to have known most of the major mechanics; if not, just enough to get a consistent clear rate. This is the most basic of all expectation from such PF. This makes gear iLv even more valuable because now they add more collective benefit to make the party clear faster. The benefits gets even higher the longer the farm will take place. So yes, let's not pretend that iLv makes 'little difference' in farm parties.

Besides... iLv510+ is so easy nowadays to get.

Wait... farm parties failing mechanic to the point of wiping, potentially multiple times? Guess what, that's not a legit farm party. That's more like a trap party.

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Originally Posted by Chyro

You can't vet if someone is capable or not, so all you can do is try it in the fight how well the party does. Is that such an odd way of thinking? Being a few itemlevels higher won't make any difference if the player doesn't do the mechanics well or isn't playing their class well. So why pretend that requiring a higher itemlevel is going to make a difference?

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Because as someone who runs parties all the time, I can emphatically tell you that it makes a difference. Whenever I fail to set a minimum itemlevel, I frequently get people in dungeon gear who don't even understand the basic endgame gearing process, much less how to actually play the game at a reasonable level. Having a higher item level increases the probability that the player will know what they're doing to some extent. Even if I still get a bad player, a bad player in good gear does more damage and has more survivability than a bad player in bad gear.

To be completely frank, I'm not interested in rolling equal-odds for a gwibber against people who spend 50% of the time on the floor, and do less damage than a tank while alive, even if the party is clearing. Thus, I will take the necessary steps to make sure my party is successful, and filled with people that are able to reasonably contribute. Setting the item-level above 510 is a very simple way to increase the probability of a successful run, at 0 personal cost.

The biggest reason I post an ilvl requirement of 510 in everything I put up (Even Cinder Drift EX) is because higher ilvl = higher hp.

In a lot of extreme content, you have to have all party members alive in order to complete a mechanic and prevent a wipe. Sometimes having slightly more HP will allow a player to survive failing a single mechanic so that they are alive for the mechanic that requires everyone to be alive. Higher ilvl gives slightly more wiggle room and makes fights overall easier despite player skill.