Is Bozja a failed storyline?

I stopped doing after a few levels for both Eureka and Bjoza. Can't stomach massive grinds.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I just want to go back to getting content that will appear in the duty finder and not tucked away in special instances.

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Same, because while you're waiting for it to pop, you can do something else. Not clear FATEs ad nauseum or poke at random mobs and hope CEs you're interested in pop. I could go hunt, or beast tribes, or craft and gather, or do side quests, or play minigames or whatever while waiting for Duty Finder. But I can't do jack that I want to to pass the time with stuff hidden away in an instance.

The only part I dislike about Bozja is FATEs ending in a matter of seconds. Certain skills just shouldn't work on those encounters.

I can’t say for sure whether the story is a failure or nay.

As a player who makes the content their 2nd home, however, I would say the story starts out strong—it hooked me up enthusiastically. This peaks at the end of DRn. But it wanes dramatically from that point to the end. Is it a letdown? Kind of. But I don’t dislike it neither.

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Originally Posted by PeppermintBrown

Honestly I'd have liked Yotsuyu better if she'd just died at Doma Castle and not come back for the SB patches.

For Fordola, I liked how they handled 4.1. She was explicitly NOT easily forgiven for all the bad things she did, and went back to jail after helping save the day. One good deed does not undo years of cruelty. And the whole alternative sentence of helping to kill primals fits the story really well, people with the echo and combat abilities to face primals are vary rare so it makes sense to keep her around and have her keep fighting for the 'good guys.' A long term redemption has a huge advantage in being convincing and making me care so we'll have to see where she goes in the future. Whatever her motives s

Gaius...I have to be honest the whole thing with his kids felt incredibly forced. Like they were really reaching to find a way to make him more sympathetic so they decided 'so he has this group of au ra orphans....that have never been spoken of or hinted at before and now we're going to kill them one by one isn't that so sad for him?' Gaius realizing he and the Empire had been maniuplated and joining the fight against the Ascians felt like it made sense. I liked where things were going in that direction as 'shadowhunter' or whatever. But I'm not honestly a big fan of him suddenly having all these adopted kids and becoming governer of a former imperial province now freed that I think he conquered in the first place? The whole Sorrow of Werhlyt story felt like a bizaare pivot for his arc to me.

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With Gaius, I guess for me it didn't feel forced just that it was out of the blue, I don't expect any of this was ever considered as part of his backstory until later. But I think it does fit. We know Gaius has a paternal side because he raised Cid as his own. We know Gaius was a true believer in the idea that "the strong rule the weak" and taking in vulnerable orphans if anything is a domestic way of interpreting it. It has come across to me that he's always felt that the places he conquered are better under Garlean rule and believes in trying to conquer Eorzea that he's saving it. Gaius condemns anything that has the power to exterminate people and believes weapons are there to conquer and it's why he halted black rose and why he condemned Darnus. So I think there is a part of Gaius' motivations are with selfless intent.


And I think the plot ends up being about him seeing first hand what two of the biggest lies he believed in wrought and those are the idea that Garlean rule is best for the states he's conquered and the principle that the strong should rule the weak. We see the latter manifested in the motivations of his children (as well as other things they inherited from him) and I think it also is manifested in Valens but in a very twisted and cruel way. So I think the orphans if anything are more for his own character development and showing a different perspective rather than specifically to make people feel sympathy for him, but of course the tragic nature of the storyline I think can acquire some. I found that my sympathies went more to his kids,especially Allie.

With regards to him being a governor. That one I feel like could have been elaborated on more to just make it not seem like "okay all is forgiven all the bad stuff doesn't matter now".

Because yes, it does seem very odd to appoint him into a position of power when he conquered you against your will, especially after all of the terrible things that happened. But I think there can be an element of "forgive, don't forget" because conflicts can end that way and that may be for the sake of healing and moving forward. I don't think there's animosity towards everybody who served the Empire because Garlean soldiers returned home in Terncliff. And there is the consideration that Gaius swapped sides and aided the Eorzean alliance. Gaius was also the one to halt the production of black rose and I think there's a chance that Gaius would not have been a terrible leader. We know that it was under his rule that Fordola's loyalty was gained and she, like Gaius, believed that Garlean rule was what was best for Ala Mhigo. It was also under Gaius that Fordola ended up buying into the meritocracy of Garlemald believing that her people could be equal under their rule and that everybody earns their place. So I think it's probable that he would have garnered such impressions when he was in charge of other provinces and maybe that could come with a little Stockholm syndrome too. And compared to Valens? Gaius is a saint and they might happily take some of his ideals now that he doesn't have the baggage of the Empire with him. So the opinion of Gaius might not be as bad as one might think it should be. And then on top of that Gaius has all the skills, knowledge and incentive to be able to help Werlyt move forward.

So whilst I think it is plausible for them to acquire him as a governor, I think it got skipped over a bit too much for us to get an insight into why they were more accepting of him.

It certainly feel a bit plain, especially it having similar vibe of SB. What I found most interesting in this quest line is actually the
Bromance of Lyon and …can’t remember his name, the mech pilot. Hope there will be more story and background around them.
The 3 dungeon/raid were fun, but found it a bit poorly executed, especially Dal, it become “old content” very quick, barely able to form two full party when it show up. Story lock behind field note is not helping either as the drop rate is totally rng

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

Bromance of Lyon and …can’t remember his name, the mech pilot. Hope there will be more story and background around them.

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Menesius? It was interesting seeing how both have their way of handling things while still being loyal to Gabranth.
Still find it funny how both Lyon and Menesius are deadlier when they fight without pet/mech in duels compared to the Dalriada raid lol

Don't reduce their marriage to just a bromance

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

I mean the third part of the story is told in notes, but it doesn't seem like it should have ended up like that.

The ending of this storyline feels really strange, has anyone in the dev. team addressed this?

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A recent Yoshida and Matsuno interview revealed that the story "ending" and the Dalmascan liberation happening behind the scenes, with the notes, was intended because they were more interested (in a future storyline) to explore the aftermath of the conflict.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

A recent Yoshida and Matsuno interview revealed that the story "ending" and the Dalmascan liberation happening behind the scenes, with the notes, was intended because they were more interested (in a future storyline) to explore the aftermath of the conflict.

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Oh thank god, I was worried if this was going to be a infinite cliffhanger aka Dirge of Cerberus kind of deal.

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Originally Posted by TristanX

I stopped doing after a few levels for both Eureka and Bjoza. Can't stomach massive grinds.

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This was me as well. I can't say anything about the story beyond the initial Bozja experience that could be done outside of Bozja. When I hit the point where doing Bozja content was no longer optional, I noped out and never looked at Bozja again. For me the story wasn't the problem, but rather it was the gameplay that incentivized me to not finish the story. I despised and Eureka and Bozja was just more of the same type of content (separate leveling system, collecting actions, etc). It really disappointed me that the relic was tied to that type of content for a second time. I'd have been less critical if I could have finished the relic outside of Bozja.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

I just don’t understand how princess Ashe & Rasler were married in XII but in the field notes they’re brother and sister.. did SE intend to make it a royal incest thing?

Other than that, I liked the Bozja storyline and I adore Castrum & Dal :) I find them so entertaining

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The Ivalice/Dalmasca of FFXII and Tactics (and other related games) and the Ivalice/Dalmasca of FFXIV are not the same, and none of the characters with the same name in FFXIV are the actual versions of those characters from their original games.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Oh thank god, I was worried if this was going to be a infinite cliffhanger aka Dirge of Cerberus kind of deal.

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I mean, it's not guarantee that this is happening... but if it does (and my personal opinion is that is very likely for something in then .x patches) it will depict the aftermath of the liberation.

I was very pleased to see Matsuno brought on board to work on some content for FFXIV. To this day, Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics and Final Fantasy XII remain some of my favourite games ever due to the wonderful nuance and atmosphere contained within each. Bozja struck similarly high notes for me and whilst I would have preferred certain elements to be fleshed out and expanded more than they were, ultimately there was always going to be less room to operate within given that it's a piece of side content in an MMO and not it's own standalone game.

I hope to see him brought on board again in the future, perhaps to give us something based around FFXIV's version of Lea Monde from Vagrant Story. Some more dark fantasy would be great as far as I'm concerned.

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

This was me as well. I can't say anything about the story beyond the initial Bozja experience that could be done outside of Bozja. When I hit the point where doing Bozja content was no longer optional, I noped out and never looked at Bozja again. For me the story wasn't the problem, but rather it was the gameplay that incentivized me to not finish the story. I despised and Eureka and Bozja was just more of the same type of content (separate leveling system, collecting actions, etc). It really disappointed me that the relic was tied to that type of content for a second time. I'd have been less critical if I could have finished the relic outside of Bozja.

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When the game tells you to farm ridiculous amount of items, its not worth it. Especially when the gear is out of date. Even if they cut 80-90% of it, its still a lot due to the length of the content.