With some Jobs play style completely changed, isn't it time for alternate job specs?

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

There's a reason WoW is so poorly balanced. It's hard to balance that many jobs and specs.

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Especially when FFXIV already turning some job into clone of each other
adding specs in FFXIV would either very likely just turn into another "clone"

and I never forget the time I struggle to join any group content as Retribution Paladin

No, plz, no spec.


Games with job specs are a nightmare to balance. Also, developers tend to make new spec more favourable than older ones to attract players, or no one would bother to play them. In the end, people who like min-max will come with optimal builds that utilize one spec and forgo another. Then the dev has to rebalance between specs again. Rinse and repeat.



While not perfect, this game manages to strike a good balance between classes, resulting DPS different between classes very small. I rather see new classes and improvements for older classes than the illusion of choices called "spec".

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Originally Posted by Oshirigami

I guess one solution would be to give us alternate job stones to change spec or to make it so Pugilist and Arcanist get the old Monk and Summoner designs (with 70-90 skills added).
I understand this isn't really elegant, but might be worthwhile instead of a new job.

Square could instead design a new job that, instead of what they said about Reaper "We think it'll be popular so we designed it to be easy", they could say with this new job "we wanted to give something to people who enjoyed the difficult 4.2 Monk and/or 5.1 Summoner play style".
I'd personally like a magical DPS melee with a rez that can do "selfis DPS" levels of damage despite having a rez and raid buff, but is mechanically difficult in how you line up your rotation even if not necessarily positionally heavy to actually do that damage.

Even if players who want this "difficult to play and master, but rewarding" job like 4.2 Monk and 5.1 Summoner was are a minority... that minority are still players of the game and shouldn't be ignored.
Making a job for them does not hurt the other players who enjoy these more streamlined and easy to play job reworks. 2% of players wanting something like this is still tens of thousands of players.

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That's an amazing idea overall and I support it.

Truly, I believe we need more individual identity for every character in a more meaningful and RPG kind of way other than just looks: distribute attributes; select unique skill sets and abilities for each class (being unable to have access to all of them); having multiclasses; having racial characteristics that actually matter and change the play style; having classes that are exclusive to some races according to lore; classes of the same role with actual meaningfull diferences between them (with different streghts and weekness); etc..

Individual character and class identity is way, way, way, much more important than balancing and streamlining. This is a game for adults after all, game should respect player's intelligence and maturity much more than it currently does.

Too much obsession with balancing and min maxing (from both players and developers alike) removes complexity, dumbs things down, and basically ruins MMOs. And, history shows that every single MMO that tried to balance things too much, streamline and dumbdown it's systems fails sooner or later. It's the more complex experiences that keep on going. Seems people should stop min maxing and caring for balance so much, and just enjoy and play in the unique way they prefer (that may include a unique class that is "week", it's fine, not everything needs or should be completely balanced).

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Originally Posted by Roda

This. I'm interested to see what the final product of smn will play like (not excited 'cause I have been hurt by X.0 smn so many times before) it might be fun if it's not too simple (like I enjoy the variety in the gem mechanics, but I fear they might be unga bunga 1 button for 1 target or other button for 3 targets), but I am disappointed in SE for not mitigating the colossal void in their play aesthetic that this massive change has left.



It made sense for the summoner job that XIV was presented with, and SE did a lot to justify it within the game world. Created magic entities are summoned via magic geometries, and Summons in this game are corruptive by nature. Kinda wished the dots would've fueled the summons in some way, instead of them just being cooldowns.

I wonder if we'll get that dps oracle class, and maybe a melee geomancer bruiser?

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Yes, SE should really care a lot more about immersion, world building and coherence when implementing new things. I agree with you.