Queues time to log in are getting worse over the days.

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07-20-2021, 04:44 AM
JJ-

We just need to bring back the auto log out after inactivity, doesn't have to be the 10 minutes we have when a new expansion launches but 30 minutes seems reasonable.
07-20-2021, 04:47 AM
Theodric

I'm sitting in a 795 player queue at the moment on Cerberus.
07-20-2021, 04:51 AM
technole

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Originally Posted by JJ-

We just need to bring back the auto log out after inactivity, doesn't have to be the 10 minutes we have when a new expansion launches but 30 minutes seems reasonable.

I asked just for a Limsa AFK timeout months ago, and that ask is looking better each day.

There are people who just won't logout at all, and that does affect the rolling queue so 30 minutes could be a decent counter-measure if they get desperate before the server upgrades take place. Of course they always have to put the AFK timer worldwide during a launch because more people are logged-in actively and you want to weed out anyone who isn't playing.
07-20-2021, 05:02 AM
Atticon

I hope they can increase capacity and/orr add new servers soon. I'm all for the game becoming more popular, but I'm not looking forward to 1500+ queues for the coming months, and especially not for Endwalker launch.
That's what this feels like, launch week queues. 1500+ on Odin right now.
07-20-2021, 05:22 AM
Kyriss

They need to add new servers or increase the amount of players that can play on each server. Right now you can't make a new character on any of the EU servers at all, while on the US servers there are only 11 out of 24 servers you can join. I've been trying to log in for 40 minutes now. Not a great way to welcome new players really. Not a problem if you are Japanese though as only one is not accepting new characters.
07-20-2021, 05:27 AM
remiff

Yep it's horrible,
on european serveur too,
Every datacenter explaoding .

I get a 1000 players queue and a very very long waiting time,
please square do something for a emergency serveur upgrade .
07-20-2021, 05:46 AM
Jin-

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm sitting in a 795 player queue at the moment on Cerberus.

700 on Odin ��
07-20-2021, 06:36 AM
Mingqin

Many people wanted FFXIV to have more players now it does and it's time to reap the whirlwind.
07-20-2021, 06:43 AM
remiff

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Originally Posted by Mingqin

Many people wanted FFXIV to have more players now it does and it's time to reap the whirlwind.

more players is not a problem, the concern is the capacity of the servers that do not follow.
07-20-2021, 07:07 AM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by remiff

more players is not a problem, the concern is the capacity of the servers that do not follow.

Yep. There needs to be room for said new players, along with those who were already here. I recall reading that they are working on it, but they will probably implement these improvements with Endwalker itself. Makes sense I guess.
07-20-2021, 07:16 AM
Artemiz

It does seem to have got a lot worse recently, Im not online tonight by my friend said earlier his queue was 1200 on my server. Thats crazy for a week night
07-20-2021, 07:16 AM
KarstenS

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Originally Posted by Tint

Yes, I am in a queue of 1200+ people right now. Shiva server.

Odin around 9:40pm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...26/unknown.png
07-20-2021, 07:39 AM
TTiscancer

It will not "even out". It's up to SE to add server capacity. The same people who were willing to sit in Qs of 10k+ are now coming to FF14, you think they mind? These are rookie numbers.
07-20-2021, 07:41 AM
Valkyrie_Lenneth

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Originally Posted by TTiscancer

It will not "even out". It's up to SE to add server capacity. The same people who were willing to sit in Qs of 10k+ are now coming to FF14, you think they mind? These are rookie numbers.

Unlike Gray, they cant just add more zeros.
07-20-2021, 07:48 AM
TTiscancer

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Unlike Gray, they cant just add more zeros.

In 2021, adding servers isn't hard or expensive at all.
07-20-2021, 07:55 AM
Valkyrie_Lenneth

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Originally Posted by TTiscancer

In 2021, adding servers isn't hard or expensive at all.

Well, I actually deal with servers on a daily basis. And they are quite expensive. The builds we do regularly cost in the 2-3 million dollar range for smallish sets of servers(lumps of 44), and the accompanying infrastructure.

They aren't using cloud systems. They have dedicated hardware.
07-20-2021, 07:55 AM
Sebazy

If there's one thing I've learned about SE and MMOs over the years since XI. It's that they are deathly afraid of investing even a penny more than they need to on infrastructure. They've always cheaped out on the game servers in all aspects from CPU power (Thus the slow and loose tick rate and comical levels of client trust in the ARR days) to live storage on hand (Remember when FFXI used to delete your character if your sub expired for not an unreasonable length of time? 9 months if I remember right?).

For all it's popularity, XIV doesn't get as much investment back into it as it deserves sadly =/
07-20-2021, 08:00 AM
TTiscancer

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Well, I actually deal with servers on a daily basis. And they are quite expensive. The builds we do regularly cost in the 2-3 million dollar range for smallish sets of servers(lumps of 44), and the accompanying infrastructure.

They aren't using cloud systems. They have dedicated hardware.

That's not a lot of money in 2021. You realize SE is raking in like 20 times that per month, right?
07-20-2021, 08:14 AM
Valkyrie_Lenneth

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Originally Posted by TTiscancer

That's not a lot of money in 2021. You realize SE is raking in like 20 times that per month, right?

You realize not all of that is profit correct?

Also, current year means nothing.
07-20-2021, 08:17 AM
Rae88

SE have to be careful when expanding. Expand too fast and the servers will be a bit dead if the population drops :)

Rough time to play FFXIV though, but super amazing to see so many sprouts at the same time :)
07-20-2021, 08:40 AM
SnowVix

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Originally Posted by TTiscancer

That's not a lot of money in 2021. You realize SE is raking in like 20 times that per month, right?

it's 2021 and MMO players who have zero experience with programming and server infrastructure are still arguing with people who do it for their jobs, time is a flat circle.
07-20-2021, 08:42 AM
Warlyx

14 days of free gametime , SE isnt going to expend a dime

but who know maybe come Endwalker they have something ready just in case
07-20-2021, 08:49 AM
MistakeNot

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Originally Posted by Rae88

SE have to be careful when expanding. Expand too fast and the servers will be a bit dead if the population drops :)

Rough time to play FFXIV though, but super amazing to see so many sprouts at the same time :)

^ This.
Adding servers is easy, but I think SE is very reluctant to do so until they are sure new servers are needed and will be needed long-term.
If the population shrinks, they don't want to be stuck with empty or dead servers. Closing or merging servers is not easy - especially not with housing working the way it does.

Some sort of mega-server technology where people appear to all play on a single server even when it is multiple servers underneath would be nice, but adding that to a game retroactively is a HUGE job, with plenty of potential for introducing new bugs.
07-20-2021, 11:14 AM
technole

5.58 patch includes the 30-minute AFK timer, we are saved...for now.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

^ This.
Adding servers is easy, but I think SE is very reluctant to do so until they are sure new servers are needed and will be needed long-term.
If the population shrinks, they don't want to be stuck with empty or dead servers. Closing or merging servers is not easy - especially not with housing working the way it does.

Some sort of mega-server technology where people appear to all play on a single server even when it is multiple servers underneath would be nice, but adding that to a game retroactively is a HUGE job, with plenty of potential for introducing new bugs.

Incorrect, you can't just add racks to a server room. You also need to upgrade the backhaul into the data center for things like this, and remember all 3 NA DCs are in the same facility.
07-20-2021, 11:15 AM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by technole

5.58 patch includes the 30-minute AFK timer, we are saved...for now.

Incorrect, you can't just add racks to a server room. You also need to upgrade the backhaul into the data center for things like this, and remember all 3 NA DCs are in the same facility.

Yeah. They probably aren't wrong though about SE playing it safe for the time being. It'd make sense.
07-20-2021, 11:16 AM
technole

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah. They probably aren't wrong though about SE playing it safe for the time being. It'd make sense.

They aren't, YoshiP announced at the start of the LL that they are investing multi-millions into the server infrastructure but it won't be completely ready for 6.0. The fact he started out with that announcement, kind of says they probably outgrew their growth plan. Plus they already are building the Oceanic data center so you can imagine all the work that has to go into all of this.
07-20-2021, 11:32 AM
Neoyoshi

Well that server crash certainly got blown out of proportion.

Also, laughs in Stormblood launch queue:
https://i.imgur.com/yz9jqJs.jpg
07-20-2021, 11:46 AM
TTiscancer

I said nothing about programming or server infrastructure.

I said it's relatively cheap.

but I guess that's too complex a concept for people like you.
07-21-2021, 02:21 AM
Xathyr

Well, looks like the problem was acknowledge, man Yoshida is so lovely that i wish i could just hug him :D
07-21-2021, 02:23 AM
Valkyrie_Lenneth

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Originally Posted by TTiscancer

I said nothing about programming or server infrastructure.

I said it's relatively cheap.

but I guess that's too complex a concept for people like you.

You say it's cheap, but as they've outlined, they cant even get them paying more than market value.
07-21-2021, 02:39 AM
Rosa_Frandlia

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

^ This.
Adding servers is easy, but I think SE is very reluctant to do so until they are sure new servers are needed and will be needed long-term.
If the population shrinks, they don't want to be stuck with empty or dead servers. Closing or merging servers is not easy - especially not with housing working the way it does.

Some sort of mega-server technology where people appear to all play on a single server even when it is multiple servers underneath would be nice, but adding that to a game retroactively is a HUGE job, with plenty of potential for introducing new bugs.

Not as easy as you think right now to add for the same reason PS5's and video cards are rare, semi-conductor shortage. This of course also effects adding dev's if they would need to get equipment for them with the shortages, something I know to well for expanding a team where we were limited also by cost of needed equipment for new people.
07-21-2021, 02:55 AM
Crowzer

Ah, without the AFK'r the queue is drastically low.
Thank SE for that !
07-21-2021, 04:10 AM
Xaruko_Nexume

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Originally Posted by Imora

It's fine.

I survived WoW launch with HOURS long queue times, so the complaints here are cute. Real cute.

I know right? Im used to servers being down for hours or days, and remotely logging in to my computer from work to join the queue so I can (Hopefully) log in by the time I get home. This is nothing!
07-21-2021, 04:32 AM
Teraluna

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Originally Posted by Crowzer

Ah, without the AFK'r the queue is drastically low.
Thank SE for that !

In the Chaos world group here. Unfortunately the afk action isn't doing the trick here. World transfer times are basically still stuck (8:30pm local time of writing).

But, we will soldier through it. Much (and several much's later) rather have this type of problem than dead servers in a deserted game.
Keep up the good work Yoshi and Co. Looking forward to 6.0 :-)
07-21-2021, 04:42 AM
Crowzer

I'm in chaos as well (Cerberus EU) and queue goes from 750 to 102. I compared last night and now at the same hour. So it's way better.
But I didn't check for World Transfer.
07-21-2021, 05:03 AM
Aneshda

I've been stuck in the queue for the World Transfer for over 4 hours now, I've crashed twice and had to start all over again. Something urgently needs to be done.
07-21-2021, 05:09 AM
MrPresident

Whatever they did made log in queues better, but world transfer is now way worse. I’ve been stuck on another server for nearly an hour now.
07-21-2021, 05:13 AM
TTiscancer

Yoshi himself addressed the issue and they are increasing server capacity ASAP.

Looks like I was right instead of the "professional programmer" touting BS in this thread about how hard and expensive it is. It's not for a company the size of SE.
07-21-2021, 05:24 AM
Heather

Wow 1300 thats rough. The most i have had was 36.
07-21-2021, 06:22 AM
Cerbolt

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...0e9fa8af5e7bb1

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