[5.55 Bozja spoilers] Additional post-ending Bozja story hidden in the field record

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

That's actually brilliant if you think about it. How long does it take us to travel from Limsa to Kugane by ship? 3-4 months. Where will we be likely traveling from ship in Endwalker? To Sharlayan, and Thauvnair, which combined may take 3-4 months (since we're covering half the distance towards both destinations). Assuming there's a time skip of some kind at the end of 6.0, this basically lets them write the IVth Legion out of the story for when we come back, with Tataru or somebody else explaining to us what has happened in our absence.


Are they chilling? Or are they fighting the Terminus nearby while also fighting the Resistance the reason why this faked death happens? If they lost far too much manpower and supplies against the Terminus, it could be the only way out that Noah sees. Plus our minds will be elsewhere, we won't give a damn about the IVth Legion, we're literally dealing with an End of the World scenario, they play second fiddle to this.

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When you put it that way... I can see it working it just feels weird to 'know' already what happens so far in advance... like really weird... Maybe I'm thinking too much.

And I worded that wrong, it feels weird that Dalmasca would devote resources to fighting the 4th Legion when their own survival is no doubt also threatened by the End Days.

Time is a VERY inconsistent thing in XIV. For SOME reason we do the Eorzea/Othard trip once and then maybe we just teleport back and forth. But then we go back to Gyr Abania and HIEN has enough time to gather the Xaela and ride Yols to Ala Mhigo. Even if we assume the overland route is shorter, and the Yols are faster, it still needs a lot of time to cross the entire lenghtwise Ilsabard, plus time for the Yol to rest; one good thing about boats is that they don't tire, but you can't ride a mount further than its natural limits or, well you're out of a mount.

That also affects our "time bubble", as we're still 5 years after the Calamity. We've Revolutionized Ishgard, gone to and from Kugane several times, Liberated Ala Mhigo, ran around the First, and we still haven't gone "up" a year (there were some people saying a year has passed but I've yet to see a source on that, last I checked the time bubble was just expanded). I even recall a few mentions in the MSQ of weeks passing, but... well, it's been one heck of a year...

Bottom line, I wouldn't put much thought into the time frames in the field notes. IF the events are picked back up, it'll just be handwaved away that "these events passed... a while ago..."

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Originally Posted by Jennah

An enormous chunk of the playerbase would sooner cancel their FF14 subscription and slit their wrists than ever set foot in Bozja, after how Diadem and Eureka went.
I'd find it a baffling decision on SE's part to continue the Bozja story at all, let alone make it *required* for anything in the future. Including just understanding the MSQ.
If anything at all eventually comes of this storyline, I'd expect it to be summarized for us in-game; I'm personally expecting us to never hear about the IVth or Dalmasca again.

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and don't forget that Bozja itself is locked behind the return to Ivalice raids, which still take quite some time to queue for. Locking anything mayor behind doing both would only get the SE HQ firebombed.
At most there'll be a cutscene flag like back in, uhhh, 3.4 with Alisaie and coils

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

That's actually brilliant if you think about it. How long does it take us to travel from Limsa to Kugane by ship? 3-4 months. Where will we be likely traveling from ship in Endwalker? To Sharlayan, and Thauvnair, which combined may take 3-4 months (since we're covering half the distance towards both destinations). Assuming there's a time skip of some kind at the end of 6.0, this basically lets them write the IVth Legion out of the story for when we come back, with Tataru or somebody else explaining to us what has happened in our absence.

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Ehh, the off screen leisure cruise time skip won't be that long. Going by the 1st lore book a boat trip from Old Sharlayan to Limsa takes at least 2 weeks. And From Limsa to Doma would be 2 months. Also I recall reading somewhere that Limsa to Tavnair was 3 weeks

Hey, what do you think this was about?

https://i.imgur.com/Z42OFxc.png

My initial thought after seeing the ending is Sicinius must have been grabbing that axe and sword, but he actually says to Gabranth in the ending that Menenius was the one who dug those up, so that probably isn't it.

Part of me worries, just a little, that we are not really done here.

With the two MORE white auracite weapons discovered, and the revelation that there's this second style of allagan weapon, and that this isn't just a once and done weapon type like the ultima was...

Okay, I've read through the notes that didn't drop for me on Gamerescape.

It seems like Noah knew that the IVth Legion was going to fall, and that Menenius has a pawn in Dalmasca. Ashe has memory issues, so I'm guessing she's the pawn? So Gabranth plans to rule as a shadow dictator over Dalmasca through Ashe? Maybe he's convinced her that he is her twin brother Rasler? But Fran would never allow anyone shady like that to get close to Ashe, so I don't know how that could work.

I'm not sure what's up with the fake assassination of Gabranth. He was terminally ill. Why fake your death if you're going to die later? That leads me to suspect that Gabranth really did die. If he shows up again then it will probably be an imposter. But why would Gabranth allow his body to be found by Dalmasca? If they could truly identify his body, then that would make it very difficult for an imposter to claim to be the real Gabranth. The only way I think this could work is if maybe Sicinius created a Gabranth clone (who is also terminally ill?), or maybe if Gabranth pulled a Ramza/Gunnhildr and transplanted his soul into another body... I don't know. This sounds very convoluted.

^ Oh I hadn't read Menenius part 2, that is very interesting.

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The scouts and intelligence operatives Menenius had dispatched throughout the region brought him regular reports. As they told it, Noah was most concerned with what would become of the various Resistance leaders after they had won their independence and the Garlean occupation was no more. He sought to know their plans—the blueprint they would follow.

As he considered this, Menenius realized with a sinking feeling that his suspicions were on target. Here in Bozja, so long as Bajsaljen occupied a position of leadership, Noah's ultimate goal would be realized. But what of Dalmasca? More populous than Bozja, and with its various factions far from united, the future was far from certain. Knowing Noah, he doubtless already understood this, and had already deployed a pawn to guide Dalmasca in his desired direction...

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Combined with Fran's talking about her memory issues, I think you may be right that it's Ashe.

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Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal

Just finished Zadnor. It was overall decent but ohhhh boy that last bit in the Gabranth field notes really made me go "what?". Dalmasca is liberated offscreen? So we won't even get a Dalmasca liberation arc in Endwalker? We won't get to assault the IVth Legion's capital city of Lea Monde? We won't get to see Ashe come out of the shadows and retake Dalmasca? What? If we do get a third IVth Legion storyline in Endwalker... it's going to be Gabranth suddenly showing up and taking over Dalmasca? With what army? So it's going to be really weird: the present game last leaves us off with the IVth legion in control of Dalmasca. And then by the time we go there in Endwalker to liberate it, it has been liberated and reconquered offscreen? What? This is an extremely bizzare setup that only seems self-defeating to me.
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This goes to my theory about the Sicinius that Lyon turns over to the authorities being a 'copy' rather then the real one which also means...

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Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal

Okay, I've read through the notes that didn't drop for me on Gamerescape.

It seems like Noah knew that the IVth Legion was going to fall, and that Menenius has a pawn in Dalmasca. Ashe has memory issues, so I'm guessing she's the pawn? So Gabranth plans to rule as a shadow dictator over Dalmasca through Ashe? Maybe he's convinced her that he is her twin brother Rasler? But Fran would never allow anyone shady like that to get close to Ashe, so I don't know how that could work.

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Sicinius could have convinced Gabranth to create a copy of himself as well, a body that wasn't terminally ill. Given how devoted members of the 4th could be to Gabranth it's not hard to imagine there being at least one volunteer. This also goes back to my thought that Dabog could return too since Sicinius wouldn't get rid of such useful data of a successful hypertuned soldier. Though one question I can't think of an answer for is 'where do they get all the resources to come back later?' Obviously they can't raise an army, even with the whole overwriting of others that Sicinius seems to be a master of, it still requires likey a ton of resources to do and they can't just start snatching people randomly. I think the big factor will be what those two weapons turn out to be lore wise, they obviously contain auracite of some kind, and given the glimpse into his personality we get from the few scenes we see if him and the field notes I'd say Gabranth is going to sit back and judge Dalmasca as he sees that as the much larger nation it is more likely to fail then Bozja. If he finds them to be wanting he would return using the power of the sword to be the big bad of that story, whatever it may be. It would certainly fit what we've been told of him as well as the source material of FF12.

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Those field notes honestly make me feel more inclined to think that we're not going to be getting a continuation of the story, as it seems like Gabranth cared more about the overall state of the two nations then actually ruling them, so if they've already become the sorts of nations he envisioned, he's already "won" per say.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Those field notes honestly make me feel more inclined to think that we're not going to be getting a continuation of the story, as it seems like Gabranth cared more about the overall state of the two nations then actually ruling them, so if they've already become the sorts of nations he envisioned, he's already "won" per say.

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Hence why I believe he'd sit back and judge them, fitting for him being the Judge Gabranth reference from FF12. Dalmasca has already been hinted at to be the one with potential problems in the future. Additionally those two weapons are very much wild cards in this since we have no idea what they are or what effects they could have on the user that could alter their views. To me, with the setup they've put the effort into making, it's a matter of 'when' they bring Gabranth back and not 'if'.

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Originally Posted by Ronald_Bloodwings

Hence why I believe he'd sit back and judge them, fitting for him being the Judge Gabranth reference from FF12. Dalmasca has already been hinted at to be the one with potential problems in the future. Additionally those two weapons are very much wild cards in this since we have no idea what they are or what effects they could have on the user that could alter their views. To me, with the setup they've put the effort into making, it's a matter of 'when' they bring Gabranth back and not 'if'.

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Not to mention that if Lea Monde (which is in Dalmasca) shares any kind of history with the one from Vagrant Story, there's probably more than a few dangerous ancient magicks that could be hidden there. Magicks that Noah may have found before the staged death. On a different note though...the sword at the end of the story that is shown to Noah...I feel like I've seen that design before. I don't know where, but it feels oddly familiar to me.

EDIT: I think I found it. It looks and feels similar to the Diamond Sword from FF12, as shown below.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...word-ffxii.png

OP, I think something happened internally at SE? As in, sometime during development a decision was made that this was it for the Empire, there was to be no viable traces of the Garlean Empire left after 5.55. In Endwalker all we might see are tempered and twisted remnants of the Empire. Rather, the few Castrums with what remains of the fourteenth might be all that's left, if there are any.

I was really excited about going to Dalmasca sometime after 6.0. Gabranth was built up as one of the more reasonable types of Legatus so it was entirely possible we might not get to liberate it. After the new End of Days, and the effective end of the Garlean Empire; the Eorzean alliance might very well not have the heart to keep going after surviving faraway Imperial Provinces. Maybe the people of Dalmasca, while not happy with being conquered, find Gabranth and his ways to be palatable enough that the resistance never seems to get anywhere. It was even possible we might have a new stable nation. An Imperial province outliving the empire and thriving, how great would that be for the setting? And then I read the note.... wow.. what happened? Its abrupt nature is what made the think that their plans for Dalmasca post 5.55 were changed but after the cutscenes and dialog were done, so they were forced to cram it all into a note.

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Originally Posted by PangTong

Maybe there's an angle I'm missing here. Let me know your thoughts.

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I agree! I was hyped with the "cliffhanger" in the unearthed relics in the last cutscene... Wondering if they would explore Dalmasca or Gabaranth in EW somehow, since EW's Raid and Alliance Raids won't likely explore that area. Maybe something like EW's version of "Eureka/Bozja"?

But then I got really confused when I saw this note. I think it would be a much more sensible to just present it as "epilogue text" on screen with nice illustrations on the background, instead of how they went for.

The only explanation is if this whole 'mutiny' plot and Gabaranth death is fake... Since Lyon's whereabouts are unkown... So when this plot reappears in the future we'll get the actual true version of what happened.

I would love if Vagrant story crossed over somehow, it's one of my favorite Square games, ever, but I feel it would best be done with a few quests and a deep dungeon.

I've read the notes, I've looked at things... Lyon would have gladly gone into the gaul as his price for speaking up for the friend that saved him, but given the opportunity to grab two weapons like that, and run... I feel he probably did.
I also suspect the weapons were delivered at that moment ON PURPOSE....


Anyway, maybe there's one more part of the plot, but likely we won't see it until 6.1.

Hmmm crazy darksteelfoil-hat theory time.
The auracite weapons being Bad News(tm), Gabranth going into hiding (ALLEGEDLY), and the legend of the "ghost of Gabranth", would probably involve a run around on Vagrant Story.

The Church of Iocus is mentioned in the Field Notes, as the old State Religion in Dalmasca. The Priesthood of St. Iocus is the Corrupt Church(tm) from Vagrant Story, and tried to take Lea Monde's power for themselves.

Lea Monde, which is a literal ghost town (because of all the ghosts) in Vagrant Story, but in XIV it's the capital of Dalmasca Inferior.

It COULD be, that in 6.1 (or further), something terrible happens in Lea Monde, and the tragedy can be linked to... some Auracite Weapons that somehow made it to the Catacombs and the mysterious legend of the "Ghost of Gabranth"

Lea Monde catacombs deep dungeon.

I'm of the tentative belief that Gabranth isn't dead and that there's more story to come. It was probably written in such a manner for a number of reasons. For starters, a character being assumed dead but actually being still alive and in hiding is a classic Matsuno trope. It was the case in Final Fantasy Tactics and also the case in Final Fantasy XII. Matsuno himself is also a guest writer, so if for whatever reason he could not be brought on board in the future then there's at least an 'out' for the development team to lean on by considering the current events to be the finale.

Perhaps most importantly, however, is the fact that this is likely to be the last liberation storyline within the game itself - at least when it comes to Garlean territory. The situation with Bozja was bittersweet and nuanced. It wasn't a case of a good guy versus a bad guy - just two opposing armies each with their loved ones, ideals and dreams. It's pretty much everything I wanted Stormblood to be and thankfully it even gave us some neat bits of lore to retroactively flesh out the likes of Varis.

There's also a few plot hooks that still need to be addressed. Mikoto mentioned having a twin sister, though we haven't seen or heard anything from her. There's the 'ghost of Gabranth', the situation with a supposedly liberated Dalmasca and Nagxia, Fran and Ashe...as well as a number of other locations such as Landis and Valnain that may or not show up in-game someday.

If a third act is indeed planned, I wouldn't be surprised to see it revolve around something completely different. Ultima was sealed away rather than slain, if I recall correctly...and if Gabranth did survive, he still has an illness to contend with. I could see him seeking out a volatile power to aid in realising his dream/avenge his comrades. Or perhaps he'll end up siding with the Warrior of Darkness against some bigger, more dangerous threat. Personally, I'd like to see Lea Monde as an in-game location to explore. Vagrant Story is still one of my favourite RPG's to this very day and even a fraction of the atmosphere of that game could be captured then I would be very happy.

Everything else is great, but I'm just glad we got to meet Pagaga Quo Vochstein.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2e5NclX...g&name=360x360

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Originally Posted by Tanker4444

I was really excited about going to Dalmasca sometime after 6.0. Gabranth was built up as one of the more reasonable types of Legatus so it was entirely possible we might not get to liberate it. After the new End of Days, and the effective end of the Garlean Empire; the Eorzean alliance might very well not have the heart to keep going after surviving faraway Imperial Provinces. Maybe the people of Dalmasca, while not happy with being conquered, find Gabranth and his ways to be palatable enough that the resistance never seems to get anywhere. It was even possible we might have a new stable nation. An Imperial province outliving the empire and thriving, how great would that be for the setting? And then I read the note.... wow.. what happened? Its abrupt nature is what made the think that their plans for Dalmasca post 5.55 were changed but after the cutscenes and dialog were done, so they were forced to cram it all into a note.

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As a history buff I really wish SE had taken this route with the 4th. Since the Garlean Empire takes some inspirations from Rome, then Noahs new nation which outlasts it could have taken some inspiration from the Byzantine Empire, or the Eastern Roman Empire which not only survived the Western half falling and the Capitol being ruined but thrived from Constantinople, they even went on to continue ruling for around 1000 after Western Romes collapse. With Dalmascus's position on the map at this crossroads between continents, and being located east of the Garlean capitol the parallels continue. Bozja itself has several Persian parallels and the Sassanian Dynasty who also considered themselves a revival of the Persian Empire and were regular rivals of the Byzantine Empire often fighting for control of the middle east. They also already set up hints that they could continue holding power after Garlemald fell throughout practically the whole of the Bozjan storyline. And while yes at this point i am getting tired of fighting the Empire and the same enemies the 4th did enough to distinguish themselves in skills that did not make them feel like the same old enemies we have been fighting for over 10 years now, in a way kind of similar to how the Banished were designed in Halo being somewhat familiar enemies but different enough to stand on their own and not just feel like reskins.

I also just really wanted a modern Dalmascan storyline with XII being one of my favorite FF games and right now it does not feel like there is much to do with it as all these plot points that have been built up get resolved offscreen. If this was always going to be the case then i would have much preferred the Relic storyline take place in Dalmascus then Bozja as there were several offscreen moments of interest i would have liked to see there.

Doubt he is dead since they left off with a very big cliffhanger involving the mysterious weapons found.

They most likely did this type of "epilogue" notes as a way to setup lore for the next part in the FFT/FFXII story so that players know in advance the mind set of NPCs assuming Gabranth is dead since reactions with learning that later in maybe 6.X maybe harsher than revealing this information now and giving players time to process it.

I fully expect to see Lyon and Gabranth in maybe 6.X for the next part of the FFT/FFXII story since most likely Gabranth faked his death and have Lyon act as the person in the open so people won't suspect his own plans with these unknown weapons.

Speaking of which, if Gabranth is still alive in the next part of the FFT/FFXII story, why do I get the feeling he will take up the identity of Basch and act as a mysterious companion for WoL in the next FFT/FFXII story since the WoL does not know what Gabranth looks like under his helmet.

I also highly doubt that Gabranth is dead. Taking a look at the Field Notes on Noah, it says the following:

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Later, the body and armor of the ill-fated Gabranth would be discovered by the resistance, though he was not immediately identified as such—in part because the burns were so severe that his face could scarcely be recognized, and in part because so few had seen the face under the mask in the first place. Still, in the end, the identity of the corpse was confirmed, and news of the death of Noah van Gabranth spread across the land.

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Bold for emphasis, but the body is identified as being Gabranth. However, it's also worth taking a look at the Field Notes on Dabog II:

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To speak in terms that you might understand, I devised a technique that allowed the extraction of memories from my dear test subject VIII, Dabog. Said memories could then be implanted into other Hrothgar captives, thereby allowing mass production of hypertuned soldiers. Brilliant, is it not? It was a breakthrough that would forever change the face of war as we knew it. Or rather, it should have...

I am admittedly something of a perfectionist─it was not enough to simply manufacture an assortment of hypertuned soldiers. They had to be perfect. Uniform... Which is why I may have made more than a few aesthetic modifications to ensure they all resembled the original Dabog. I can hear Valens now. “Why even bother!? All those damned animals look alike.” And he certainly isn't wrong─they all do bear an uncanny resemblance to one another. Nevertheless, it was a detail I refused to overlook. And I could scarcely wait to see the looks upon your comrades' faces when my soldiers took to the field.

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Sicinius developed the technology to extract a person's memory and implant them in the body of a hypertuned soldier that he has shown great skill at aesthetically modifying. My bet is that Sicinius created a stronger body for Gabranth by taking a hypertuned soldier, modified it to look like the original Gabranth, and then implanted all of Gabranth's memories in it. It lets Gabranth fake his death perfectly by torching the old body, and as an added benefit, gives him a stronger body which he may have needed given the theories about him suffering from the same disease that killed his father, and his final cutscene where he talks about not having much time left. I figure he'll be back as the figure influencing Princess Ashe behind the scenes.

Overall I think it's pretty obvious from the notes that either Gabranth is not really dead or there is some shenanigans going on with his death. Either way it doesn't matter to me because all that stuff is contingent on the possibility of the story continuing in the future. I don't really care about theories as to what happened since either we'll find out or we won't.

What's baffling is why they spoiled all these future events in the field record when they could have just as easily... not done that. If you're really planning to continue the story, why go over all this stuff now instead of, you know, when you continue the story? Doing it this way puts them in this awkward position where they either have to skip over a bunch of major events because it was in the notes, or go through the trouble of retelling those events even though we already know what happens.

The fact that they're spoiling it all now, and in a fairly definitive way, suggests to me that there is not going to be a major continuation of this saga. While there are a few loose threads that could allow some of these characters to show up again, all the major conflicts and events are resolved. Any continuation would have to be some kind of new story arc and thus doesn't necessarily have to be a direct sequel to Ivalice/Bozja. It could just be that Lyon or Gabranth or Fran shows up in some other content series and there are some dialogue winks and nudges if you've completed Save the Queen.

If I had to make any guess at the reasoning here, this is my theory: It's pretty clear at this point that the Empire is done for. It's hard to picture Endwalker's story playing out in a way that ends with the current antagonistic Empire still existing as a major threat. There is not really any time to have a "Dalmasca liberation" arc in the main story, so the devs probably felt that it would be incongruent to get to 6.1 or or 6.3 or 7.0 or whatever, just to have yet another content series where we're beating back an Imperial legion, long after the Empire has ceased to exist/be a threat. Although it's true that the IVth Legion are basically a rogue army at this point, it might still feel "off" to be fighting any faction that identifies as part of a Garlean Empire. With that in mind the only sensible way for the liberation to take place is off-screen, or as some incidental dialogue/cutscenes.

Even so, it still doesn't really make sense to explain/spoil it NOW, instead of after all this stuff has occurred chronologically. So I think the field notes are really meant to serve as a conclusion to the saga, and the obvious "threads" like the mysterious weapons and the suspicious circumstances of Gabranth's dead, are just meant to leave the door open in case they ever want to reuse those characters.

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Originally Posted by PangTong

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I feel it maybe also a way for them to setup part 3 of FFT/FFXII story to not require players to complete FFT Raid story (aka Part 1) and Resistance story (aka Part 2).

The dialogue for part 3 of FFT/FFXII story can have two sets of dialogue being one where the NPCs know the WoL and one where the NPCs do not know the WoL. That way if they setup FFT/FFXII part 3 to bring us to a rebuilt Dalmasca or a new location and want to give players who miss out on finishing Part 1 and Part 2 instant access to Part 3, they just need to follow the lore given from Gabranth's notes as justification why players are not required to go through part 1 and part 2 since no matter if WoL gets involved or not during Part 1 and Part 2 the events of Gabranth's Notes still happen.

A lot of players may end up angry if Part 3 force them to go through part 2 since not many like the design of part 2 of FFT/FFXII story progress.

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Originally Posted by Ronald_Bloodwings

Hence why I believe he'd sit back and judge them, fitting for him being the Judge Gabranth reference from FF12. Dalmasca has already been hinted at to be the one with potential problems in the future. Additionally those two weapons are very much wild cards in this since we have no idea what they are or what effects they could have on the user that could alter their views. To me, with the setup they've put the effort into making, it's a matter of 'when' they bring Gabranth back and not 'if'.

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This might lead him to using those auracite weapons to turn into the Libra Lucavi Sel/Exdeath the Judge-Sal.

As of now we have seen the following Lucavi in FFXIV:

• Aries - Belias
• Taurus - Duma/Argath and Yiazmat
• Leo - Hashmal
• Virgo - Ultima
• Scorpio - Cúchulainn
• Sagittarius - Rofocale and Shemhazai
• Capricorn - Adrammelech
• Aquarius - Famfrit
• Pisces - Mateus

The ones that are missing are:

• Gemini - Zalera (already mention in FFXIV as the Death Seraph)
• Cancer - Zeromus/Zebbeb
• Libra - Exdeath/Sel

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

This might lead him to using those auracite weapons to turn into the Libra Lucavi Sel/Exdeath the Judge-Sal.

As of now we have seen the following Lucavi in FFXIV:

• Aries - Belias
• Taurus - Duma/Argath and Yiazmat
• Leo - Hashmal
• Virgo - Ultima
• Scorpio - Cúchulainn
• Sagittarius - Rofocale and Shemhazai
• Capricorn - Adrammelech
• Aquarius - Famfrit
• Pisces - Mateus

The ones that are missing are:

• Gemini - Zalera (already mention in FFXIV as the Death Seraph)
• Cancer - Zeromus/Zebbeb
• Libra - Exdeath/Sel

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As a caveat, we saw Ultima in a form inspired by her original Tactics appearance with lots of creative liberties, not her XII/TA/TA2 look. Considering we got "Mark IV" versions of Belias and Hashmal, we MIGHT see another version of the "High Seraph" complete with giant cannon under the skirt.

Also, Chaos is the Esper tied to Taurus, though I forget WHAT happened to the Duma stone to know if he would make a cameo appearance. We also had Chaos as a boss in Omega in his FFI appearance, but Omega were specifically based on stories. Considering the "Warrior of Light" WAS a "real" figure, Chaos in his Ivalice guise could be, too.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

As a caveat, we saw Ultima in a form inspired by her original Tactics appearance with lots of creative liberties, not her XII/TA/TA2 look.

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I'd argue that the Keita Amemiya "angelic upper half monstrous lower half" design was based on the XII/TA/TA2 version.

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Considering we got "Mark IV" versions of Belias and Hashmal, we MIGHT see another version of the "High Seraph" complete with giant cannon under the skirt.

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The "4th Make" versions of both used the same models and animations as their raid versions. I'd more expect a Lucavi rematch to be against the "Demi-Virgo" version.

We might get the 13th form as well, maybe?

From the last cutscene, it looks like Noah is dying from some sort of illness so they faked this assassination but for what purpose? Tricking the Dalmascan into thinking Lyon betrayed the IVth Legion when in fact he didn't?

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Originally Posted by Yuella

From the last cutscene, it looks like Noah is dying from some sort of illness so they faked this assassination but for what purpose? Tricking the Dalmascan into thinking Lyon betrayed the IVth Legion when in fact he didn't?

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Bingo. Lyon is intensely loyal to the Gabranth family, having served his father for years before Noah took control, and has served Noah for over 20 years. By making it seem like Lyon killed Noah, the Resistance will stop all searches for Noah and just focus entirely on Lyon, who is more than able to lead them on a wild goose chase (and get some good fights in). Noah, as Beddict pointed out, may have had his being transferred to a newer body which will take the reins and is currently setting things up for his next big plan.

Also, like pay attention to the scene between Gabranth and Lyon, Gabranth is very casual about telling Lyon he has to put him in jail to set and example and Lyon literally just says fine.

There's no lingering look of anger, its handled super casually. Lyon taking it personally and leading a coup wouldn't just be outta character, it would be incongruous with the final scene.

The Field Notes are very obviously meant to set stuff up and tease future plot points, not hurriedly tying up a story they dont intend to revist.

This seems like the place to ask....

But when you finish Zadnor, it says "field notes updated" ... sadly I didn't remember them well enough to figure out what ones actually updated, but if there are ones that are different before, and after.... anybody find them? (like the DRK job quests, heh).

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

This seems like the place to ask....

But when you finish Zadnor, it says "field notes updated" ... sadly I didn't remember them well enough to figure out what ones actually updated, but if there are ones that are different before, and after.... anybody find them? (like the DRK job quests, heh).

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There is a very slim chance that you may have collected FR 43 (Dabog), 44 (Lyon) and 45 (Menenius) before completing Dalraida. If you managed to get them before doing so they just have "※A certain quest must be completed to view further information in this entry."

If the Gabanth plot is seemingly open ended, this could be some upcoming trial series for Endwalker. Lyon has those powerful pets that could be a boss for each one.

I was under the impression that it was a faked death because I really don't want to believe the devs would go with "tell don't show." You know, the absolute worst type of storytelling.

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

I was under the impression that it was a faked death because I really don't want to believe the devs would go with "tell don't show." You know, the absolute worst type of storytelling.

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It's extremely similar to the same technique that the Imperial Shadows' true leader used to escape his countrymen.
https://i.imgur.com/F8lRpFc.png
As someone who found the NIN quests interesting, this immediately caught my attention. If I recall, Oboro never did reveal the truth to others. Which means people might not know to look for the trick.

Honestly, I'd be happy if we see Gabaranth's fate tied to the EW's deep dungeon story, which will certainly be a very self-contained story, as opposed to the abrangent one in Save the Queen. However, I have no idea if it will tie directly to Dalmasca... because it seems like they want to resolve her liberation offcamera.

Plus, Lyon and Pagaga duo. I'd really love to see that Lalafell's character explored!

Is participating in the Dalmascan Resistance the next leg of this story? It felt pretty clear to me that we are beyond revolutions and nation building. The ending with Balsaljen ruminating on Misija and the fact that both factions in the story line wanted a new nation seems to put that theme of the story telling to bed, as it has been earned.

What isn't resolved, and will not be resolved by the ending of 6.0 either, is the terrible legacy of the Allagan Empire. The machines and weapons that continue to appear, how they corrupt living souls and create monsters, and how the Ultima weapon (intended pun on ultimate, as it is by far the weakest) barely scratches the surface of the scope of machines. Then we have the cliffhanger of Gabranth and Lyon getting weapons from the Allagan dig site, note that one is a axe and Lyon uses an axe, showing that the real threat has only escalated and hasn't been resolved. They literally had the WOL and Mikoto go to the other Allagan weapon that manifested Queen Gunnhildr before showing the player more weapons have been found. This was intentional.

Dalmasca has come up pretty often too as a place players would like to visit. It seems pretty clear that Dalmasca needed to be liberated off screen so that next staging area of the content, weather we have a new relic quest line or this is the plot of 7.0, can be manifested and easily explained. Furthermore, the WOL has eliminated the major threats to their nation building and isn't needed per say. But the WOL would be needed if Allagan artifacts are manifesting other worldly monsters and threaten the post 6.0 story world and the new nations of Bojza and Dalmasca.

Here is to hoping Dalmasca gets to be a city like Kugane or the Crystarium.

Regardless of how we are supposed to interpret this post ending lore, it's confusing to why its been implemented this way.
To have a long, animated cutscene set out a bunch of plot points (Noah terminally ill, new weapons, etc) only then to have someone hand you a note that says 'legion ded, Noah ded, all resistance winz, gg' is so jarring. Why even bother making the cutscene?

Also not everybody reads the field notes. Can imagine a couple of 'what ever happened to Lyon & Noah???' forum posts in a year or so.

I would assume the cutscenes were done first, likely with the intention of there being more, perhaps another zone or some extra quests or content like Yorha got, but then it ended up not happening, so the notes were used to push things to where they needed to be for the potential continuation. As for why they still used the cutscenes, likely just didn't want to throw out finished work.

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Originally Posted by Bellyfish

Regardless of how we are supposed to interpret this post ending lore, it's confusing to why its been implemented this way.
To have a long, animated cutscene set out a bunch of plot points (Noah terminally ill, new weapons, etc) only then to have someone hand you a note that says 'legion ded, Noah ded, all resistance winz, gg' is so jarring. Why even bother making the cutscene?

Also not everybody reads the field notes. Can imagine a couple of 'what ever happened to Lyon & Noah???' forum posts in a year or so.

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I think we won't see those forum posts because we will meet with Lyon again, and we will see the event in an echo flashback.
I also think that the two weapons will be used by Lyon and Pagaga and we will see those again.
The only part that really bothers me about all of it is the 'resistance wins' part...