The decline of the community

I really haven't seen much of it I'm afraid.. I can't really recall any bad experiences in any instanced content. It's silent most often aside from the hello's, salut's and lali-ho's.

...I'm vaguely reminded of another poster who made inflammatory threads then deleted all their posts and edited the OP because he wasn't getting the echo chamber he wanted...

Just a feeling

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Originally Posted by Setesh45

The last two pages here are only spam, no discussion, hence post deleted, no point in this.

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"Oh no, people don't agree with me! I best delete my posts and play the victim card."

Stop with this, please. It's embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

...I'm vaguely reminded of another poster who made inflammatory threads then deleted all their posts and edited the OP because he wasn't getting the echo chamber he wanted...

Just a feeling

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Some people really, really can't handle disagreement of any kind.

But it is a *great* community.
By the way, why delete your posts?

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Originally Posted by rance-sama

"Oh no, people don't agree with me! I best delete my posts and play the victim card."

Stop with this, please. It's embarrassing.

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Basically this. A lot of people do not remember this nostalgia community you are talking about. FF14 became famous for their community recently after a VERY large amount of people were banned.

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Originally Posted by Jennah

But it is a *great* community.
By the way, why delete your posts?

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They wanted an echo chamber. What they got was not that.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

...I'm vaguely reminded of another poster who made inflammatory threads then deleted all their posts and edited the OP because he wasn't getting the echo chamber he wanted...

Just a feeling

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And here I thought I could have something interesting to read.. seems I was late to the party. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Setesh45

The last two pages here are only spam, no discussion, hence post deleted, no point in this.

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There was discussion and that involves disagreement. Thesis and antithesis, that's how these things work out.

In this world you pick your friends. If there are people you dislike you're not forced to engage with them. I walked that road, and it only leads to misery. You need to stop looking towards places that make you feel the wrong way. Community here or there, we're all different and what many don't admit is we judge people based on everything, it's how life works. Live and let live.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Because certain communities decided using Twitter to share such things was suddenly OK and SE wouldn't notice apparently, idk.

That stuff has been around for a long long time.

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It's been around for a while, sure - but there was at least an attempt to be subtle about it in the past. More recently, it's become something a lot of players use as a badge of honour and seek to actively get others to partake of.

Given that some of the people they're approaching aren't even of legal age, I fear it's only a matter of time before the game gets some pretty bad publicity as a result.

I've always favoured the 'out of sight, out of mind' policy, personally.

Alas, I've had to resort to keeping my house locked to the public due to people, uh, trying to make use of it.

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Originally Posted by Arillyn

So what you're saying is the people who would normally do Ultimates are so bored they are getting more engaged in ERP. Okay, gotcha - have fun with that.

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Everyone knows that respectable hardcore raiders would put those that indulge in illegal RP in check. With no new ultimates coming till 6.0, the hardcore raiders have unsubbed from the game. Now illegal RPers are running rampant. How could you not understand this from MPK's post?

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Originally Posted by WoW

Everyone knows that respectable hardcore raiders would put those that indulge in illegal RP in check. With no new ultimates coming till 6.0, the hardcore raiders have unsubbed from the game. Now illegal RPers are running rampant. How could you not understand this from MPK's post?

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You are funny. RPers aren't illegal. People who RP always RP. Hardcore raiders don't keep RPers in check (whatever that even means). But from what MPK wrote, totally sounds like those who are bored with no new Ultimate right now are partaking a little bit more in ERP. I found it amusing.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's been around for a while, sure - but there was at least an attempt to be subtle about it in the past. More recently, it's become something a lot of players use as a badge of honour and seek to actively get others to partake of.

Given that some of the people they're approaching aren't even of legal age, I fear it's only a matter of time before the game gets some pretty bad publicity as a result.

I've always favoured the 'out of sight, out of mind' policy, personally.

Alas, I've had to resort to keeping my house locked to the public due to people, uh, trying to make use of it.

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Fortunately my house is bare necessities on the inside because I don't feel like decorating only to move to Ishgard so I don't have that issue.

I do miss the out of sight out of mind of the 2.x and 3.x days, it certainly is a lot more in your face with all the brothel adverts and party finder adverts. I find it a bit odd tbh, tho since I don't rp at all and tend to avoid places other than my own house I avoid most of it.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Everyone knows that respectable hardcore raiders would put those that indulge in illegal RP in check. With no new ultimates coming till 6.0, the hardcore raiders have unsubbed from the game. Now illegal RPers are running rampant. How could you not understand this from MPK's post?

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How do you deal with rp ultimate raiders? There's a whole fc of them on jenova.

I'm sure that blows your mind.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

How do you deal with rp ultimate raiders? There's a whole fc of them on jenova.

I'm sure that blows your mind.

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I bet it does. I know a fair amount of RPers who do savage and ultimates.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Everyone knows that respectable hardcore raiders would put those that indulge in illegal RP in check. With no new ultimates coming till 6.0, the hardcore raiders have unsubbed from the game. Now illegal RPers are running rampant. How could you not understand this from MPK's post?

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An actual human being typed this.
RP is only illegal in that fantasy world inside of yours, friendo. Besides, I doubt RP will ever go away considering how it lives rent free inside your head.

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Originally Posted by rance-sama

An actual human being typed this.
RP is only illegal in that fantasy world inside of yours, friendo. Besides, I doubt RP will ever go away considering how it lives rent free inside your head.

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They are trolling. lol

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's been around for a while, sure - but there was at least an attempt to be subtle about it in the past. More recently, it's become something a lot of players use as a badge of honour and seek to actively get others to partake of.

Given that some of the people they're approaching aren't even of legal age, I fear it's only a matter of time before the game gets some pretty bad publicity as a result.

I've always favoured the 'out of sight, out of mind' policy, personally.

Alas, I've had to resort to keeping my house locked to the public due to people, uh, trying to make use of it.

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Think it's more hindsight than what you're giving it credit for. I personally remember being on Balmung 7 years ago and seeing RPers with tinyurls in their comment that lead to RP kink lists. As others have said it's always been there, it's just seemingly more pervasive due to it hitting social media.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They are trolling. lol

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Considering this is 2021 and there's a big amount of people who are genuinely like this I have my doubts.

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Originally Posted by rance-sama

Considering this is 2021 and there's a big amount of people who are genuinely like this I have my doubts.

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I'm usually pretty quick to sniff out a troll. I trust my instincts. Your world view isn't wrong though.

i’m literally begging twitter pearl clutchers to to stay in blue echo chamber hell

Let us purge this RP plight from our game. This is were we need section 3.3 to educate us on the steps we can take to protect our community from trending towards a downward spiral into the abyss.

Praise section 3.3 as they are answer.

It has always been this way, really. It's just unfortunate that psychologically speaking those who have negative experiences are more likely to remember those, and thus in the grand scheme of things will more likely distort the reality of the situation, which in this case is that there's a false belief the community is declining or deteriorating when it has always been present in equal amounts. With respect to the forums, just comes in waves. A negative experience with a player will be remembered much more than a positive experience with several players

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Originally Posted by WoW

Everyone knows that respectable hardcore raiders would put those that indulge in illegal RP in check. With no new ultimates coming till 6.0, the hardcore raiders have unsubbed from the game. Now illegal RPers are running rampant. How could you not understand this from MPK's post?

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Nobody takes you seriously anymore. God help us if you aren't a troll.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Let us purge this RP plight from our game. This is were we need section 3.3 to educate us on the steps we can take to protect our community from trending towards a downward spiral into the abyss.

Praise section 3.3 as they are answer.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

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The summoning has begun, I have already slayed 47 lalafell's I pray the All Mightly Section 3.3 has the time to grace us with their wise words.

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Originally Posted by rance-sama

Considering this is 2021 and there's a big amount of people who are genuinely like this I have my doubts.

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No, WoW is a pretty known troll. His screenname was chosen specifically so he could go "yo wtf why are they talking about me" whenever World of Warcraft is mentioned, and he usually makes some pretty batty posts.

You just kinda have to keep up with the troll metagame on this forum. Granted there are a lot of people who you would think are trolling, but aren't. WoW just so happens to be a legit shitpost sockpuppet, though.

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Originally Posted by Ammokkx

No, WoW is a pretty known troll. His screenname was chosen specifically so he could go "yo wtf why are they talking about me" whenever World of Warcraft is mentioned, and he usually makes some pretty batty posts.

You just kinda have to keep up with the troll metagame on this forum. Granted there are a lot of people who you would think are trolling, but aren't. WoW just so happens to be a legit shitpost sockpuppet, though.

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Man, you're right. I mean, I do remember Titanman and Fists.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

NSFW mods have been in circulation since 1.0. When a new game comes out you can almost guarantee the first thing people will try to mod is nudity.

There can be any number of reasons why Yoshi P didn't say anything against it.

But I still find the community overall to be friendly, kind and helpful and try to bring as much helpfulness as I can. I feel the "degeneracy" as you call it is a separate issue.

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Where's my Rayman nude mod?

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Originally Posted by Awha

The summoning has begun, I have already slayed 47 lalafell's I pray the All Mightly Section 3.3 has the time to grace us with their wise words.

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Time to form a full party then. There's a primal that needs slayin'.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

Where's my Rayman nude mod?

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Hey, I'm not doing your dirty work for you, you'll have to find it yourself. If not, make one.

That said, a part of me wouldn't even be surprised. The internet being what it is.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Time to form a full party then. There's a primal that needs slayin'.

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And SE said we would not be getting another Ultimate before 6.0.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

The community, if anything, used to be more toxic and is less so now because of how much it's grown and appealed to more casual players who are polite.

ERP has always been a thing and if you wanted to avoid any chance of seeing a reference to it you'd have to keep out of main areas. ERP has been a thing in many MMOs so it's natural people with this interest would come to a growing MMO.

I see this in the Novice Network, cities, dungeons and discord regularly. This hasn't changed and if anything has grown.

That was a concern when 2.0 was developed with the cross-world Duty Finder matching system, but it was necessary so people could beat the dungeons and other content.

I would argue that since then, cross-world party finder and world visit have caused people from different worlds to interact more and I come across people I recognise from other worlds in content quite often.

This is a fair point. Anybody in a level 60 or lower area could be young and not old enough to pay a subscription, so they are less likely to be an adult about things.

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I agree with this. I see far less toxicity than what the forums gives one to believe. Furthermore, I see less open toxicity than when I first began in the ARR era.

Hell, I had a tank actually apologize to me this past week when they did a wall to wall pull without checking if I could keep up with the healing on a synched 50 dungeon first.

As far as ERP, it's been in every MMO I've played in and we are talking even back when "the web" was just Compuserve and America Online to most people. Just set your boundaries and move on.

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Originally Posted by Setesh45

The last two pages here are only spam, no discussion, hence post deleted, no point in this.

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I've looked over the thread and saw no spam. Perhaps you meant the handful of trolling posts or the fact that the forum was disagreeing with you.

Oh well. I'm certain the topic will be brought up again.

The sky is not falling. The community is fine.

Everyone calm down.

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

The sky is not falling. The community is fine.

Everyone calm down.

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It's when they tell you everything is fine that it is time to run!

Let me guess the OP got a taste of the communities ugly side? By the responeses also going to say they were not aware of how long the ugly side has been around.

eh, I still stand by it's nothing very special in terms of MMO communities. WoW's community can be great at times, terrible at other times. XIV's community can be great at times, terrible at other times. Aion's community was terrible at times, and great at other times. So on and so forth.

I can't say it got worse or better; it got better in some ways over time and worse in other ways over time.

Is basically the same as any other MMO community, though, and I think it's important to not develop a weird superiority complex over a game you play.

Aww, I wish I'd seen what was said LOL.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

Aww, I wish I'd seen what was said LOL.

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In short form: the community is on a decline, people used to be so helpful, kind and friendly, but now we have degenerates, like those they were in a party with who talked about their favourite hentai.

Basically degeneracy is the reason this community is so bad now. Not the trolls, not elitism, not bots and so on, y'know the usual stuff that impacts the helpfulness and kindness of people, but because too many people fall into degeneracy.

Community has always been like that, since I started (HW). I still remember brothel ads in shout, one of the constants on the server I started on.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

In short form: the community is on a decline, people used to be so helpful, kind and friendly, but now we have degenerates, like those they were in a party with who talked about their favourite hentai.

Basically degeneracy is the reason this community is so bad now. Not the trolls, not elitism, not bots and so on, y'know the usual stuff that impacts the helpfulness and kindness of people, but because too many people fall into degeneracy.

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Sounds like the person has never been in a US server and decided to try it. Oh well.