Why are there pixies, etc. on the First but not the Source?

This would just make the Shroud the most dangerous place. That is if the pixies really did interact with the Slyphs and are indeed hiding via glamors. As you have the elementals, Slyphs, pixies and moogles. As even though Slyphs and Moogles are normally harmless the antics both of them can get up to can become fairly dangerous. Now throw in two beings that can alter people's physical being that are also normally hidden and yikes.

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Originally Posted by YianKutku

Honestly I've been thinking about this ever since Shadowbringers.

In ARR, it's pretty clear that the game writers were going for "the fae folk" when it comes to first the Sylphs, then the Moogles: playful and cheerful on the surface, but with no sense of the frailty of mortals, or when a game stops becoming fun. A lot of the comments from NPCs warning us about Sylphs and Moogles are along those lines, implying that the Sylphs might have killed people before simply due to "playing around" and "mischief". (I can't recall the exact words, but if not "killed", then certainly "hurt badly".)

However, when we actually meet the Sylphs and the Moogles, they're relatively chill (tempered brethren aside) and quite understanding, and in fact we mortals are the ones who are more threatening to them.

So the Pixies of the First feel like the writers finally getting to show the "fae folk" archetype properly. Which does mean it might be possible that the Sylphs might have learned their alleged mischief-making from ancient proto-Pixies, but had it smoothed over by longstanding interactions with humans.

(I don't know what the deal with Moogles are. They exist on the Source and the First, so they probably have an origin in the Unsundered World.)

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It would also sort of explain why the Slyphs always ask for fruit and the like to be placed on top of the buildings. Sure, they say that they think it's funny for us to do that and they like the food being there. But what if that's their way of making sure the pixies aren't forgotten about. So that they can still be hidden, but also be given offerings.

From what I remember, Moogles in XIV are "spirits" ; Pixies and other fae seems to fit that description too.
Syplh are "biological entities", so there is probably no relation between the two.

We can sefely assume that the Concept of Pixies came from the unsundered world, but now we have a problem :
Pixies on the first (along with fuath) come from the "souls of dead" so Dynamis is involved to a degree and that was clearly improbable on unsundered aetheris.

We do now know the how long passed between Elpis and the sundering, and we do not know if the concept was ever approved.
One possibility is that it never was approved and only got released on the first because someone recreated Amaurot where the approval was made, from there "Life, Uh, Finds a Way" ?

As for Beavers, my theory is that the guy that made the pixies concept copied the beavers concept as a base. The fact they tells you to keep quiet about it may be because they are blatantly reusing code, and not even doing a good job at it.

Also note that Feo can come and go freely between the source and the first, if there was a "source's Titania" she probably couldn't.

On another note, unlike RPR and Voidsents, SCH's Fairies are completely unacknowledged in any Pixies-related content, so while one of the "closest" in the source they are probably unrelated.

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Originally Posted by Calysto

We can sefely assume that the Concept of Pixies came from the unsundered world, but now we have a problem :
Pixies on the first (along with fuath) come from the "souls of dead" so Dynamis is involved to a degree and that was clearly improbable on unsundered aetheris.

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Souls are aether. Dynamis is influenced by emotions but is not the actual substance that things are made from.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Souls are aether. Dynamis is influenced by emotions but is not the actual substance that things are made from.

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Right, sorry. what I meant that Dynamis would be involved in this case because the kind of people or cause of death influence the Fae entity. (unless there i a spell that dictate some kind of "reincarnation rules" on the zone)

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Originally Posted by Calysto

Right, sorry. what I meant that Dynamis would be involved in this case because the kind of people or cause of death influence the Fae entity. (unless there i a spell that dictate some kind of "reincarnation rules" on the zone)

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in the case of the fuath it would still likely have nothing to do with dynamis. fuath are those who died by drowning therefore the aether in the water ended up influencing there soul. pixies its somewhat possible but theres prolly some other explanation somewhere cause dynamis couldnt get into the world enough to cause influence like that till after zod.

I feel like trying to apply any level of scientific logic (even fictional science) to fae folk is at best an exercise in futility, and at worst completely missing the point of those characters.

I don't think Eo Tyr knows how to spell 'science', despite her playing a horrific game of god in her free time.

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

dynamis couldnt get into the world enough to cause influence like that till after zod.

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Wasn't the whole point of the sundering letting Dynamis have more influence by splitting aether info the shards (so we get more control over it ?)
Zod mainly protected from "external" Dynamis I think

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

I feel like trying to apply any level of scientific logic (even fictional science) to fae folk is at best an exercise in futility, and at worst completely missing the point of those characters.

I don't think Eo Tyr knows how to spell 'science', despite her playing a horrific game of god in her free time.

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While you're not wrong about trying to apply logic to Fae, Eo Tyr is as scientific as pixies get : She knew the causes and outcomes of the change and act accordingly

IIRC Moogles reproduce sexually.

Idk if somebody said that but in ShB it was said that Pixies were actual children who went into some kind of transformation (I don’t remember the details). That’s why they act so silly.

So since it’s not the original race, you will not find them on the Source. Spriggan are different as they’re more in touch with nature and don’t use any illusion magic.

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

Idk if somebody said that but in ShB it was said that Pixies were actual children who went into some kind of transformation (I don’t remember the details). That’s why they act so silly.

So since it’s not the original race, you will not find them on the Source. Spriggan are different as they’re more in touch with nature and don’t use any illusion magic.

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Souls of dead children, if I recall. I'd have to dig into my (very unwieldy) screenshots of ShB dialogue to be sure, though.

So they're not completely whimsical and illogical, but rather operate on a child's logic: fun things are fun, unfun things are unfun, and it's all a giant playground.

Personally, I'm leaning slightly towards the possibility that the pixies were once on the Source, but got wiped out during one of the Calamities, or perhaps just non-Calamity extinction. But their behaviour and way of thinking might have survived in some of the other races like the Sylphs, because they once interacted together, like how the Fairy Kingdom of Il Mheg consists of many races. I admit I have no evidence at all for this, though.

I am here imagining the chaotic result of the twain ever meeting on screen. But yes, the bit about the children's souls was stated in ShB for sure.

The game is inspired by Ivalice universe. Tactics Advance 1/2 and FF12 technically take way in the past before Tactics.

In Tactics, there are some beasts, I don't remember which ones but none of the iconic races like Viera, Bangaa/Nu Mou, or even Moogles. Really because they didn't come up with the races until 12 and Tactics Advance which came over way after Tactics.

I believe it was explained that a cataclysm took out most, not all of the iconic races aside from humans which is why we don't see them in Tactics because they're either in hiding, extincted, or not longer on Ivalice.

So it's not far fetched to say that The Shards and The Source have a similar situation.

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Originally Posted by YianKutku

Souls of dead children, if I recall. I'd have to dig into my (very unwieldy) screenshots of ShB dialogue to be sure, though.

So they're not completely whimsical and illogical, but rather operate on a child's logic: fun things are fun, unfun things are unfun, and it's all a giant playground.

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Pixies born from souls of the dead was mentioned as a tale, or a hypothesis:

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Minfilia: Urianger once told me a story about the pixies.
Minfilia: They're born from the souls of those who died as children, or so it's believed.
Minfilia: Though they don't have memories of their previous lives, the desire to have fun remains, imprinted on their souls.
Minfilia: And so they live only to play, keeping hapless mortals for their pleasure for years on end. Sometimes even until death...
Alphinaud: Hmmm... In the past, when I sought to identify the true nature of ghosts, I came upon literature examining a similar subject.
Alphinaud: The soul was likened to a core that resides in the aether, and its presence is what differentiates us from such beings as sprites and arcane entities.
Alphinaud: Upon death, said core ordinarily dissipates alongside the aether that composed the flesh. However, it may be held together and bound to the corporeal realm, either by the will of its owner or by means of certain arts.
Alphinaud: In time, the soul may regather aether unto itself to assume another form, or find newly emerged life in which to abide. The pixies may be one such instance of this.

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But Ardbert mentioned the creation of Fuath may be similar:

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Ardbert: It's said that they are born from the souls of the drowned. Were it not for your little trick, you'd have joined them.

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When I played the Pixie tribe quest yesterday the hypothesis was brought up again:

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Lugg Aenc: To state a commonly held belief, 'tis said that a pixie is born when the soul of a mortal who died in childhood gathers new aether to itself. Are we following thus far?
Lugg Aenc: Having originated from a life ended too soon, such a soul is often unstable, and is defined by the needs that once drove its owner─needs that are highly susceptible to the influence of outside aether.

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So it would appear this belief is commonly held, only that the First does not have advanced aetherology like that possessed by Sharlayan to examine the soul of the fae and verify it.

My personal thinking if this is true (and the game seem to imply it is) is that children's minds are not fully developed in time perception. So pixies have trouble telling the difference between a day, or four, or forever more. Having immortality certainly doesn't help. That leads to many pixies not recognizing men have things like deadlines or hunger or such.

Give undeveloped minds with a deficit in time perception a life everlasting and dominion over the material and aetheric. What could possibly go wrong?

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Originally Posted by Kakurady

So it would appear this belief is commonly held, only that the First does not have advanced aetherology like that possessed by Sharlayan to examine the soul of the fae and verify it.

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It could also be the writers giving themselves and "out" to go back on the nature of pixie souls....