Random Ideas: What Abilities, Traits, and/or Rework you want?

Feasibility aside, I'd probably start every tank damn near from scratch, focusing on a couple of core elements and expanding from there as organically as I can (as to maximize both total depth and depth per button, each in as satisfyingly cohesive a manner as possible). I'd of course keep an eye on parity of capacities, but if each reaches those capacities in very different ways... all the better.

Some spitball base concepts:

• Paladin: Sword and Shield
• Dark Knight: Blood and Shadow
• Warrior: Wrath and Abandon
• Gunbreaker: Charge(s) and Ammunition

For Paladin, for instance, the idea of the "sword" might take on a few different ideas if looking across its level span in isolated bits, but it's always be juxtoposed against the idea of the "shield". The sword might be pure offense (opposite defense), or defense/playmaking through offense (versus shield's resource-generation or meaningful spenders, including what would amount to offense through defense), or about flow or action-based momentum (opposite banking and buff-based ramping). From the start, "shield" would play almost as large a part, rotationally, as sword skills, even if they might have slightly fewer buttons, but everything ought to develop with that thematic pairing (and gradual shift in boundary or slant between the two), rather than just slapping on more, generally separable skills for raw potency or mitigation. Rather than abandoning any earlier theme or core, it just expands to find more and increasingly synergetic ways to play around and optimize upon those themes.

Doubtless, a lot of those iterations would deserve to be more pervasive than single skills' effects, and would therefore better belong as traits than as mere parts of skill tooltips.

Warrior, meanwhile, would be all about building ever stronger and sturdier, always deepening into the Thrill of the Fight (with some option of exhausting oneself for burst at cost to sustain or overall damage). Just as rough illustration, imagine if Deliverance and Defiance -- or at least their varied spenders -- were returned, but such that spending gauge on either would provide a duration and potency of that stance's benefit based on gauge spent, rather than those benefits being passive or lost upon swap. Inner Beast and Steel Cyclone, for instance, might generate % lifesteal and increase maximum HP, while Fell Cleave and Decimate might instead increase your damage to affected enemies and your critical strike chance. (In this case, any effect like auto-crits would deal greater damage based on your excess crit chance.) In this way, your best response to both an upcoming tankbuster or even to maximizing damage to be dealt might instead use both stances, prepping maximum HP before skills like (Stormblood-era) Upheaval or increasing your lifesteal percentile before nuking an enemy with an auto-crit Fell Cleave, or even buffing the heck out of your crit chance before using that for a proportionately empowered auto-crit Inner Beast and its converted self-healing.

Etc., etc.

Just a small thing, for warrior it would have to buff your actual critical hit stat because crit chance does absolutely nothing for your bonus damage on crits. Chain Stratagem and Battle Litany for example are utterly useless during IR since they do not increase your critical damage.

i've been memeing it for a while but I wouldn't be surprised if in 6.0 GNB's Bloodfest gets an additional effect of "for the next [#] of seconds, burst strike and fated circle do not consume cartridges."

I do not want this to happen but i wouldn't be surprised if it does.

I want an AoE counterpart to Clemency as Paladin.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Warrior, meanwhile, would be all about building ever stronger and sturdier, always deepening into the Thrill of the Fight (with some option of exhausting oneself for burst at cost to sustain or overall damage). Just as rough illustration, imagine if Deliverance and Defiance.

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I could see this being more akin to a pendulum system.

Use "Defiance" and push your gauge more to Deliverance, making the next Deliverance stronger the further it is and swing back to '0'.

use "Devlierance" skills and push the other way, doing the same.

Then mid 60s to 70s, give them a trait where instead of resetting to 0, it only hard resets at 'max'. Using an empowered skill swings the gauge back to the opposing side, plus a little further.

So in a simple 3 - 2- 1- 0 - 1- 2- 3 kind of set up, you go...

3 - 2- 1- 0 - 1- 2- 3
Push Right
3 - 2- 1- 0 - 1- 2- 3
Push Left
3 - 2- 1- 0 - 1- 2- 3
Push Right
3 - 2- 1- 0 - 1- 2- 3
Max swing, reset to 0.
3 - 2- 1- 0 - 1- 2- 3

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

I could see this being more akin to a pendulum system.

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That's another way to look at it, but I just felt that having buffs from each which fade over time and stack rather than replacing each other a bit more flexible and less "gimmicky". In terms of depth, the effect would be nearly identical, but it'd just feel more responsive per action, even if it wouldn't have quite as large a nuke available. (This also would, imo, make it a bit easier to balance.)

...Then again, it could just be bad memories of Balance Druid's constant Eclipse reworks (each somehow worse than the one before) that drives me away from maxing out out actions, in that manner, or having my nuke be forced out per at most 5 rotational strings.

All I want for Christmas is for shield bash to not be useless.

I love the sword and board aethetic, but shield attacks are under utilized. Intervene is the only thing holding it down as it looks like a sheild slam type of attack. Make shield bash actualy do dmg or whatever as long as its actualy useful. Maybe bring back sheild oath as a coold down that enhances sheild dmg and utility. All of this is admittingly poorly thought out on my part as im just spitballin here. The point is make paladins fully rounded in their bad assness. You already got the bad ass sword strikes and the holy magic, so get that shield up.

I believe the current tank stances and the passive tank traits are main reasons why the tank jobs are lacking identity... well, for obvious reasons.

They should rework both at the same time to seperate their effects. Maybe something like a slight enmity boost by trait, just enough to hold aggro as a decent tank without tank stance. So something around +50-100% base enmity boost.

Tank stances give a defensive bonus plus a nerfed enmity boost. Those bonuses differ for each tank, e.g.
PLD gets 15% DR in addition to block strength and rate increase. It would have great synergy with Shelltron.
WAR +25% max HP, +20/25% healing from healing actions, and maybe a lifeleech effect from Defiance. Deliverance could be a 20% DR while changing Raw Intuitions effect to Bloodbath/Nascent Flash... oh yeah, forgot to mention that Nascent Flash and Nascent Glint should be different actions, hence my suggestion on the effect change of Raw Intuition through stance dancing.

Imo, SE should revert Inner Release/Berserk to its old Berserk which increased damage instead of guaranteed crit dh. Crit dh has multiple negative points, such as no raid buff ulitiy from Bard or Dragoon, and DH melds become almost useless on WAR, making omni-tank BiS' very difficult and/or with a loss for at least one job. And since Infuriate has charges now, it could provide a guarateed crit (direct?) hit buff on your next beast gauge weaponskill, just like Reassemble for MCH. (This was apparently an "issue" from 4.1 build if you didn't crit dh your Fell Cleaves during Berserk.) About gauge cost reduction... I am not sure what a good value would be, as it would also depend on the duration of Berserk/Inner Release... and ofc what a good meme cleaves number is... "5-6-7-8..."?

If Scourge would ever find its way back into DRK toolkit, a blood gauge gain per dot tick would make dot management more engaging and rewarding (similar to Bards Soul gauge, without the rng part).

For TBN: I would rather have its "shield broken" effect changed (while the MP refund - if any cost - happens as soon as the duration expired or ended). e.g. change the base CD of TBN to 30s, but reduce it by 15s when broken. This way you could actually plan when to use TBN without the risk of MP loss, or when to use it in (rather quick) succession.

A general idea to make aoe actions in dungeons more fun: let them generate ressources per enemies hit instead of fixed values. If I take MCH for example, you either have 50 gauge rdy or from Barrel Stabilizer for Hypercharge-Auto Crossbow, but need 10 veeery slow Spread shots for your next Hypercharge... but... if it would be 5 Heat for each enemy hit, trash pulls will become more active. A tank example would be PLD: gain MP from Prominence per enemy hit, and you can weave some Holy Circles in between your physical combos instead of... well, just physical combo until Requiescat is ready.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Just a small thing, for warrior it would have to buff your actual critical hit stat because crit chance does absolutely nothing for your bonus damage on crits. Chain Stratagem and Battle Litany for example are utterly useless during IR since they do not increase your critical damage.

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Just get rid of the quadratic scaling on Crit itself (in raising both chance and crit potency) and just have all excess chance instead become bonus potency. 120% chance of a +50% damage Crit becomes a 100% chance of a +60% damage Crit. 133% chance to block for 30% mitigation becomes a 100% chance to block for ~40% mitigation. Etc., etc.

:: Warrior would finally make sense, raid-buff-wise. Dragoon Full Thrusts would love it, in that it'd give a more concentrated burst GCD. Leaden Fist Bootshine would be a bit more of a monster, but that needs tackling regardless. Heck, Shelltron would feel better for it anyways, with less of Paladin's mitigation budget going towards RNG.

Alternatively, could we learn to embrace the fact that the entire point of having critical hits is to add in an element of luck and randomness, and stop designing abilities with 100% Crit/DH? Someone once correctly pointed out that these are actually just extremely high potency abilities that cannot Crit, to keep them in check. Certain players didn't like Crit's randomness because it messes up your 'perfect run', so the devs took it out of the equation.

Tank damage in particular has been the most evenly balanced that it's ever been. I'm pretty sure that they don't want to preferentially buff WAR's damage. I think the solution to encourage players to diversify stats by giving them all diminishing returns, rather than letting Crit be the one stat to rule them all. Too much Crit? Maybe go Det instead. Too much Det? Maybe go Haste.

Speaking of which, Skill Speed and Spell Speed should really be consolidated into a single Haste stat, especially given the number of jobs that use 'hybrid' damage types across their attacks.

The only idea I have is that they're going to make tanking even worse than it already is and I'm terrified because of it.

All everyone does is keep giving suggestions when we should be asking for a reform, people designing things they have no clue of is never going to work doesn't matter how many years of suggestions and feedback you give.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

The only idea I have is that they're going to make tanking even worse than it already is and I'm terrified because of it.

All everyone does is keep giving suggestions when we should be asking for a reform, people designing things they have no clue of is never going to work doesn't matter how many years of suggestions and feedback you give.

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It's probably going to happen wether we like it or not. They're trying to reach a broader audience of players, and that naturally includes simplifcations. They'd rather have a small minority of tanks unsubscribe than risk the potential of preventing growth. I wouldn't necessarily leverage these changes due to their inability of designing tanks, but rather them removing any potential of making mistakes. Braindead and easy to play, they won't go wrong if money is all that matters.

As for suggestions, that's all people can do here really. Even then I'd say the developers don't even care about the western forums so it might be just a waste of time. Though I have to say I think the people in the Tank Forums are very sophisticated and mature when it comes to criticism. All we can hope for is they don't ruin tanking even more.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

Alternatively, could we learn to embrace the fact that the entire point of having critical hits is to add in an element of luck and randomness, and stop designing abilities with 100% Crit/DH? Someone once correctly pointed out that these are actually just extremely high potency abilities that cannot Crit, to keep them in check. Certain players didn't like Crit's randomness because it messes up your 'perfect run', so the devs took it out of the equation.

Tank damage in particular has been the most evenly balanced that it's ever been. I'm pretty sure that they don't want to preferentially buff WAR's damage. I think the solution to encourage players to diversify stats by giving them all diminishing returns, rather than letting Crit be the one stat to rule them all.

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As long the stats are themselves balanced and no stat scales quadratically with itself, optimal gearing already ends up almost identical to what you'd see with diminishing returns, just due to basic rules of multiplicity, while adding diminish returns to everything could end up preventing more creative or distinct builds, especially those seen through very high SkS.

If you have three different, perfectly balanced scalars among which to allot your stats, the highest product would come from allotting those stats evenly. Needless to say, none are going to be perfectly balanced--

No more than some 80% of one's damage will scale with Haste (i.e., SkS and SpS combined) and its stat per % contribution must be balanced around an average % of throughput affected by Haste, compared to which some jobs will then scale better or worse with it, and while that could be addressed to some degree (such as by Haste increasing the damage of any oGCD abilities whose CDs are not affected by the GCD and having MP ticks scale with the GCD), the remainder and the matter of GCD thresholds will still make it a varied stat.

--but they could be brought close enough to make gearing, on the whole, prefer a medium among each without making players feel like the choice is increasingly taken out of their hands through auxiliary systems like stat-DRs.


...That said, I'd certainly take Crit-DRs over yet more expansions of Crit-is-King. Or just, y'know, removing its quadratic scaling, taking Chakra off Crit-procs (or putting a similarly valuable Crit-proc system on every DPS), and actually balancing the stat...

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Originally Posted by Shin96

It's probably going to happen wether we like it or not. They're trying to reach a broader audience of players, and that naturally includes simplifcations. They'd rather have a small minority of tanks unsubscribe than risk the potential of preventing growth. I wouldn't necessarily leverage these changes due to their inability of designing tanks, but rather them removing any potential of making mistakes. Braindead and easy to play, they won't go wrong if money is all that matters.

As for suggestions, that's all people can do here really. Even then I'd say the developers don't even care about the western forums so it might be just a waste of time. Though I have to say I think the people in the Tank Forums are very sophisticated and mature when it comes to criticism. All we can hope for is they don't ruin tanking even more.

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I agree with you, I doubt any of these suggestions reach them.

But your assessment that they're simplifying for the masses doesn't hold up, it's just the tanks and healers who are getting the short end of the stick while the DPS jobs(most of them) are quite intricate in their design and gameplay. It's just too obvious that they don't play any other roles. I mean look at GNB, it's just a glorified DPS.

Forced simplification or the act of making stuff brain dead has never been healthy for any game bcs tend to makes the gameplay get poor specially on games where you can't choose dificulty like MMOs.
One thing is in the case of MMOs you can add more simple jobs to each role so players with less capabilitys could enjoy the role more easily and comfy wich is something i find not only acceptable but necesary and FFxiv was like this until ShB, lowering the skill ceiling so is totally brain dead kills the engagement and fun factor for many players bcs removes the skill progresion, basically makes the player have nothing to archive anymore, nothing to take care bcs all is automatic or require minimun player focus, that's lowers the gameplay quality and doesn't make the playerbase get better at the game, at contrary tends to enchance mediocrity on many levels most of the time.

I really hope SE change his mind on what they did with ShB and return to the design certain jobs on each role to make the role accesible and enjoable for less involved players while respecting those who love more involving and complex experiences, basically like it was before ShB where PLD and WHM was more straight forward jobs and the others jobs more complex and advanced gameplay wise and rise the skill ceiling again, basically how the DPS role is.
ShB has done to much damage to tanks and healers i hope it gets better.

So how about we drop DRK blood gauge!?
- We make Bloodspiller and Quietus cost mp. they will cost more mp than edge and flood of shadows but will do more dmg.
- we also make living shadow, salted eath and abyssal drain cost mp
- because of all the extra mp skills we'll need adjust the mp cost, in a way that all them arent just 3000mp

now we add some extra effect on dark arts.
- make Dark arts stack to 2 or 3
- dark arts still makes mp skills cost no mp and it add some new effects to the mp skills aswell as a small potency boost
- change delirium so that it cost mp and gives you Dark arts stack.
also adjust CD. if it were to give 1 stack. it is better to have it around 45 to 60 sec. if it were to stay 90 sec might aswell make it give 2 stacks of Dark arts

so now the added effects of dark arts
- Bloodspiller and Quietus: increase in potency, heal mp
- Salted earth: either increase in potency or longer duration, and reduce dmg taken while you and party member are inside.
- Abyssal drain: increase potency and adds mp gain
Also change abyssal drain CD to 10 sec or something and salted earth CD between 30-60 sec.
- living shadow: i have absolutely no idea.
- flood and edge of shadow: increase in potency and change darkside to enhaced darkside.
enhaced darkside: needs a better name. now buffs your dmg by 25% but last 20 or 30 sec. can be reaplied.

So now DRK identity would be Dark arts and mp management.
i have been on these forums alot lately. which is how even if i have gotten DRK just yesterday to lvl 50, i still had an idea on what is wrong with DRK.

even tho i know that the chances of the devs reading this is slim. i still feeld like posting it. at the very least other people could look at my idea and tell me that i am stupid xD

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Originally Posted by shao32

Forced simplification or the act of making stuff brain dead has never been healthy for any game bcs tend to makes the gameplay get poor specially on games where you can't choose dificulty like MMOs.
One thing is in the case of MMOs you can add more simple jobs to each role so players with less capabilitys could enjoy the role more easily and comfy wich is something i find not only acceptable but necesary and FFxiv was like this until ShB, lowering the skill ceiling so is totally brain dead kills the engagement and fun factor for many players bcs removes the skill progresion, basically makes the player have nothing to archive anymore, nothing to take care bcs all is automatic or require minimun player focus, that's lowers the gameplay quality and doesn't make the playerbase get better at the game, at contrary tends to enchance mediocrity on many levels most of the time.

I really hope SE change his mind on what they did with ShB and return to the design certain jobs on each role to make the role accesible and enjoable for less involved players while respecting those who love more involving and complex experiences, basically like it was before ShB where PLD and WHM was more straight forward jobs and the others jobs more complex and advanced gameplay wise and rise the skill ceiling again, basically how the DPS role is.
ShB has done to much damage to tanks and healers i hope it gets better.

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I agree with your points. Mediocrity never benefits anyone. At best, it's a low bar that might benefit newer players with accessibility, however as you progressively get better, there's no sustainable growth. I feel the skill curve hits the plateu too quickly. I noticed this very quickly not even a year into ShB. There is no adjustement for difficulty in FFXIV, resulting in a dead end playstyle and you're screwed for 2 years until another expansion is released.

I want to be challenged. That's why I picked up tanking. If I wanted to play a damn DPS I'd play one. Give me more responsibility. No matter how complex, I will learn it. That's where I feel satisfaction comes from, it's the meaning attached to responsibility and to see yourself grow. Right now that's not the case, it's just too damn easy and unsatisfying.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

...That said, I'd certainly take Crit-DRs over yet more expansions of Crit-is-King. Or just, y'know, removing its quadratic scaling, taking Chakra off Crit-procs (or putting a similarly valuable Crit-proc system on every DPS), and actually balancing the stat...

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I'd like to move away from "rating". Rating exists so you can make older armor less relevant as you increase level caps. We saw the same conversion from Vanilla to BC, because on equipment where raw stats didn't scale as hard, it was way better to have the +3% critical than the +1% on the new item - Thus converting it to rating so that by the time you hit the new level cap, the +3% was less than 1%.

I think Monster Hunter exhibits a system conducive both to horizontal progression and vertical.

Using Critical as an example, we'll say there are six sub-stats (3 offense, 3 utility/defense) and they all have a soft cap of 20 ranks.

1-10 scales less than 11-15, which is less than 16-20.

At Critical +20, we'll say you have +30% critical rate (35% total) and we revert scaling of damage to 150% base.

Any ranks you push beyond 20 give you the 1-10 scaling.

At ranks 10, 15, and 20 we add milestone bonuses. Ideally they emphasize gameplay alterations with micro decisions, where as encounters deal with macro decisions.

Examples
10: Grants Expose, a 60s recast Ability granting the next action +50% potency.
15: Expose enhanced actions automatically crit, gaining additional% potency equal to native critical chance.
20: Every fifth critical strike hits twice.

Materia is a flat +1 to ranking.

Every 10 levels you are above your equipment reduces the rank provided by 50%.

So we'd set some expectations with itemization.

Weapons would be Materia slots only, letting you customize what they bring around the rest of your armor. Weapons are treated as capstone rewards, so we avoid feelbad scenarios by letting their Stat budget be entirely within player control.

Armor would grant a mixture of offense and utility stats. "Progression" armor such as tome and crafted would have higher budgets to utility. Raid would have higher budgets to offense. "Catch up" armor from 24mans and dungeons would come with additional materia. If we design our milestones well enough, BIS should still vary.

Accessories would no longer have a classification, instead utilizing their Primary sync we see on pre order jewelry. Accessories come with more materia slots based on tier, and +1 to a chosen stat, usable by any class.

Basic (Level cap AF)
Weapon: 2 materia slots
Armor: 1 offense, 1 utility (+2)
Accessory: 1 flex (+1)

Total: 2 Materia slots, 5 offense, 5 utility, 5 flex. 17 total ranks.

Tier 1
Weapon: 3 Materia
Armor: +3
Accessory: 1 Materia slot, 1 Flex
Total: 8 materia slots, +20. (28)

Tier 2
Weapon: 4 Materia
Armor: +4
Accessory: 2 Materia, 1 Flex
Total: 14 Materia, +25 (39)

Tier 3
Weapon: +5 Materia
Armor: +5
Accessory: 3 Materia, 1 Flex
Total: 20 materia, +30 (50)

This also gives us a few more tuning levers to work around.

We can have it so milestones are determined by weapon materia and armor selected, while accessories are purely for fine tuning your final stat tiers, such as how some people would only want specific amounts of haste. Doing so makes individual milestones more important, and makes relatively minor gains less important.

As an example, weapon materia and armor provide "blue" ranks and accessories provide "orange" ranks. Orange ranks push up Blue Ranks, and in order to unlock a milestone, you must have had some Blue already invested.

We can have Utility milestones be much more potent than equivalent Offense milestones. While this will in no way overthrow "durmage is king", it creates more compelling gear choices. Maybe it -is- worth using the +1 Crit, +3 Tenacity tome chest piece, because you can still hit your Crit 20 milestone but now you can grab Tenacity 10 as well.

This also effectively replaces the idea of talent trees among jobs. Our character customization instead comes from gear, and while not all milestones will be good or great for everyone, if they are designed well, there's at least incentive to try.

By nature of armor being immutable, if one particular "stat build" is too prevalent, the next line of itemization can be constructed to favor trying something else instead. You can brute force back to what you had, but you might miss something along the way.

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Originally Posted by Ralt21

So how about we drop DRK blood gauge!?
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Going by what you have said, you have just levelled DRK to 50, you have no experience in using DRK at the endgame and going by character name, you have no jobs at 80, so I suspect you are unaware how the endgame shapes up, especially when endgame savage raids are concerned.

To put it simply, you want to maximise your DPS as much as possible.

With that said, how much of what you have said will contribute to the DPS gain overall? By giving other skills MP costs, how do they factor into the MP -> potency formula? As an example, current Edge is 500 potency for 3000 MP, this is essentially 6 MP per potency. However, if Bloodspiller cost 4000 MP and done 600 potency, then you have 6.6 MP per potency, which means, in the long run Edge will be a higher DPS gain if it is used over Bloodspiller, and that doesn't take into account Darkside, which is an extra 10% potency on everything from then on. If you factor in your Enhanced Edge giving Darkside 25% damage gain (that is way too high FYI) then the potency potential for Edge gets even higher.

This is currently why TBN gives a free Edge or Flood, it is effectively giving back the MP it cost to use, making it DPS neutral, as long as it pops. If it did not give any benefits when popped, I doubt you would see it be as prevalent, with DRKs preferring to use other defensive means rather than reducing their potential damage output.

(Slight tangent, however, this is also why you have to be careful with gauges in general if you want them to have a DPS and a defensive skill attached. DPS will win out in 99% of cases, so the gauge will be used for that and not the defensive aspect.)

Getting back onto the post I am commenting on, The more you try and add into the single target combo with the interactions, the more likely you are to have actions that will just not be utilised. You can see this with Ninja, Fuma Shuriken if the first Mudra you get, but it is immediately replaced at level 35 by Raiton. You now will have no use for Fuma Shurriken at all. There will be a best one to use and the others will be left behind and not used.

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Going by what you have said, you have just levelled DRK to 50, you have no experience in using DRK at the endgame and going by character name, you have no jobs at 80, so I suspect you are unaware how the endgame shapes up, especially when endgame savage raids are concerned.

To put it simply, you want to maximise your DPS as much as possible.

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Thx.
these are certainly thing i didnt think about

i didnt really think about mp economy and as you said i am still behind. so i mainly just read what people say. (that doesnt mean i cant see what makes DRK similair to WAR to some extened when reading all the skills)

thinking of what you said, it is probably a better idea to atleast drop the Enhanced effect of Dark arts. I still would make it so that dark arts and mp is the way of DRK. so potency of some skills would have to be thought out more.

I also had a sudden brainstorm before this post.
So what if we were to keep the blood gauge but now it uses are to generate dark arts.
making bloodspiller and Quietus into high mp cost blood generators.
giving DRK the image of 'using the blood of your enemies to use dark arts'

it certainly sound stupid when i start thinking about the stuff you mentioned.
but would love to hear your thought and anybody else if they like to jump in.

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Originally Posted by KristianFortNox

[Recap]
Upon HP recovery via healing magic cast by self or a party member, a protective barrier is cast on all party members within a radius of 15 yalms.
Duration: 30s
Barrier Effect: Prevents damage up to 10% of your maximum HP
Duration: 30s
Effect ends upon additional HP recovery via healing magic.[recap]

PLD Idea 2: Divine Veil + Trait: If Divine Veil is not popped in the duration it will give a Free Confiteor prox. Or Give 10% Barrier to the Paladin themselves.

Pro: Divine Veil don't feel like a waste.

Con: If going for free Confiteor the Paladin might get mad when healed the Divine Veil is been popped.

Still thinking some random ideas I put here more if you like comment too.

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So I was thinking I want to edit this beside not getting healed to proc Confiteor, Why not get healed to get Proc of Free Confiteor, Also when in Requiescat if you able to get four holy spirits in, You get CRT + DHT Confiteor? What do you guys think?

Baking an offensive edge of such magnitude into a defensive utility is a bad idea; it encourages using the ability for its offensive capability over its defensive benefit. Vengeance is already pushing it, frankly.

I honestly would appreciate having the Parry ability of the DRK back in some form. I guess TBN->Dark Arts is kind of it, but I'm thinking of something a bit more dynamic, as it was in HW. It gives a pretty pleasant feel.

I've decided to upgrade my meme DRK change to

LD Cooldown reduced to 20 seconds.

Funny thing is, the bigger buff to DRK would be to reduce Holmgang, Hallowed, and Superbolide's cooldowns to 20 seconds. Then we could just take Living Dead off our bars.

-Nascent Flash (and RI) needs to be reduced to 20 secs (personally I want 15) and they need to merge the Nascent Glint effect. NF should only give you or a target party member with the 50% healing on damage dealt and reducing dmg dealt by 10%, instead of trying to split it between two players. Keep it simple. It should work like TBN and only affect one player, but as a heal. TBN prevents the damage and NF heals the damage. You still need to do 3 gcds to heal yourself or target.

-Onslaught also needs to be buffed to at least 150, or cd reduced to 5 secs to make it more utility. Personally I want it on a shorter cd because I value its utility more so over damage. If you buff onslaught you have to nerf another skill to keep the balance.

-Shake it Off changed to give your current active buffs (ToB, Vengeance, RI) to all your party members but at half the potency for 15 secs. So you can SiO a ToB to your party to increase their HP by 10% for a Succor crit or Vengeance for a 15% party wide dmg reduction and 55 potency deflect. SiO one buff at a time or combine them depending on the situation.

-Upheaval dmg increased from 450 to 600 if hp is above 80%.

-Equilibrium affected by IR's effect to crit. Cure Potency increased to 1500 when under 50% HP

I've always wondered why WAR was so consistently powerful across every expansion. But for every average player who comes along and says something like "Gee, I hope Divine Veil was less clunky and just did the shield thing without having a weird proc attached" or "Hmm, maybe Living Dead should be designed to achieve parity with the other invulns instead of being an unsalvagable burning trashheap attached to a rocket aimed to collide directly with the sun", there's a WAR main who comes along demanding "Shake it Off should outperform Tank LB3, or "Onslaught should let you teleport anywhere on the map at will on demand," or "WAR shouldn't ever run out of HP." I think if the playerbase at large made more embarrassingly overpowered demands across all jobs, the dev team would average things down such that we finally achieve a consistent balance.

Warrior certainly does not need more defensives or selfheal.

SiO is already superior to Divine Veil and potentially superior to both Heart of Light and Dark Missionary.

Nascent Flash heals on average more than TBN can absorb. Making NF give yourself a -10% damage debuff would basically kill the ability, you can play without Nascent and in XIV's current design you never want to gimp your own damage if avoidable...which in this case it would be.



Warrior certainly does not need more useless defensive potential, it is already pretty much the strongest tank in that regard. The extremely strong defensives are just mostly unnecessary since they aren't needed to survive any mechanics.
What you should be asking for is something to make the gameplay more engaging, to make warrior more interesting to play, and not for warrior to be overpowered.

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-Nascent Flash (and RI) needs to be reduced to 20 secs (personally I want 15) and they need to merge the Nascent Glint effect. NF should only give you or a target party member with the 50% healing on damage dealt and reducing dmg dealt by 10%, instead of trying to split it between two players. Keep it simple. It should work like TBN and only affect one player, but as a heal. TBN prevents the damage and NF heals the damage. You still need to do 3 gcds to heal yourself or target.

-Onslaught also needs to be buffed to at least 150, or cd reduced to 5 secs to make it more utility. Personally I want it on a shorter cd because I value its utility more so over damage. If you buff onslaught you have to nerf another skill to keep the balance.

-Shake it Off changed to give your current active buffs (ToB, Vengeance, RI) to all your party members but at half the potency for 15 secs. So you can SiO a ToB to your party to increase their HP by 10% for a Succor crit or Vengeance for a 15% party wide dmg reduction and 55 potency deflect. SiO one buff at a time or combine them depending on the situation.

-Upheaval dmg increased from 450 to 600 if hp is above 80%.

-Equilibrium affected by IR's effect to crit. Cure Potency increased to 1500 when under 50% HP

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I've always wondered why WAR was so consistently powerful across every expansion. But for every average player who comes along and says something like "Gee, I hope Divine Veil was less clunky and just did the shield thing without having a weird proc attached" or "Hmm, maybe Living Dead should be designed to achieve parity with the other invulns instead of being an unsalvagable burning trashheap attached to a rocket aimed to collide directly with the sun", there's a WAR main who comes along demanding "Shake it Off should outperform Tank LB3, or "Onslaught should let you teleport anywhere on the map at will on demand," or "WAR shouldn't ever run out of HP." I think if the playerbase at large made more embarrassingly overpowered demands across all jobs, the dev team would average things down such that we finally achieve a consistent balance.

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Unrelated: Cover should EITHER have the old 20% mitigation returned to it or lose the gauge cost for using it. As-is it's one of the more bizarre mitigation tools. It's not a necessary buff for PLD, but I kinda miss trying to use it as much as possible.

It's important to always have an escape route to backtrack with. "My post wasn't crossing the line, t-this was all intentional, just to elicit a response!"

Cover doesn't need any buffs. There's no other ability in the game that directly allows you to transfer damage from another player, which has historically made it one of the most exploitable abilities in the game. This goes back as far as ARR, if you don't know your history.

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It's important to always have an escape route to backtrack with. "My post wasn't crossing the line, t-this was all intentional, just to elicit a response!"

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I'd like to see a proper implementation of DRK's flames aura, either something in line with what we see in the quests or the Shadowbringers' trailer, or in line with the early Heavensward job trailer showcase. Perhaps tie it in with Blood Weapon.

The old smokey footsteps+black flames aura would be so cool. Current Darkside effect is...meh.