The New Housing System is Terrible

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I meant permanently lock housing to FCs only, forever. I know it’s not what people want, but that situation is exactly why it should exist: houses remained open several days.

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Housing initially started as FC only and what many consider with obscene prices. But wards didn't fill and people asked for personal housing.

SE said FC housing would be separated from personal housing but did not deliver and reduced housing prices drastically to the point where everyone and their aldgoat can afford the 3-4m for a small.

Also Lodestone data shows that FCs only occupy ~29% of the housing on NA. servers. So people need to stop using shell FCs as a scape goat for housing shortages.

SE's persistent ward system is terrible with coping with increasing player population. SE should have gone with fully instanced housing from the start. But SE likes to double down on their ideas, eg Diadem, Eureka etc.

At the very least SE should improve apartments so that we can upgrade them to condos/penthouses for gil with balconies for gardening and workshop access to reduce the demand for ward housing.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Housing initially started as FC only and what many consider with obscene prices. But wards didn't fill and people asked for personal housing.

SE said FC housing would be separated from personal housing but did not deliver and reduced housing prices drastically to the point where everyone and their aldgoat can afford the 3-4m for a small.

Also Lodestone data shows that FCs only occupy ~29% of the housing on NA. servers. So people need to stop using shell FCs as a scape goat for housing shortages.

SE's persistent ward system is terrible with coping with increasing player population. SE should have gone with fully instanced housing from the start. But SE likes to double down on their ideas, eg Diadem, Eureka etc.

At the very least SE should improve apartments so that we can upgrade them to condos/penthouses for gil with balconies for gardening and workshop access to reduce the demand for ward housing.

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Wasn’t blaming FCs for anything...actually I said quite the opposite: that 29% FC ownership should be 100%. And that keeping said housing should require actual bodies (so yes it does negate shell FCs...unless an FC goes to the effort of having multiple alts...although that is not really my point)

It was not a mistake for SE to reduce prices, but it was a mistake to open it up to everyone.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I meant permanently lock housing to FCs only, forever. I know it’s not what people want, but that situation is exactly why it should exist: houses remained open several days.

I was in Tonberry like..an hour after launch and there were only a handful of S houses left..maybe 3 or 4 per city. That’s fine, but I wish there were more requirements to having a large house or medium house, such as say, at least 2 accounts (not characters/alts) for small, 6 for medium and 10 for large...with said accounts logging in at least once per month to stop demolition timer.

I’ve said it before on other threads, but my FC of 6 really only has 2 really active members now with 3 weekly appearances and two once-a-month pop ins... but everyone has at least one house that we really don’t NEED, but are not willing to give up randomly. This includes 2 Larges.

Would give it up for instanced in a heartbeat.

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That basically turns FCs into landlords. Obviously you can't use NEED in the absolute sense here, because obviously you can live without it and you can play the game without it. Needs are always conditional anyway. So contextually, how can you defend the position that an FC needs a house and an individual does not?

I would also prefer instanced, but I don't see why you think they should take away the possibility for individuals to have houses in the current system.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

... but everyone has at least one house that we really don’t NEED, but are not willing to give up randomly.

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I had some RP plans for a house but due to how terrible XIV's chat system is that never panned out. If I could get a full refund on my alt's small I'd give it up right now but that's not how the system works so I'll be holding onto it until the demolition timer takes it.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Would give it up for instanced in a heartbeat.

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If instanced has no demolition timer I'd take the loss for this.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Obviously you can't use NEED in the absolute sense here, because obviously you can live without it and you can play the game without it. Needs are always conditional anyway. So contextually, how can you defend the position that an FC needs a house and an individual does not?

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Maybe need in the sense that housing gates game features. If Square honestly believes housing is a prestige thing then they need to decouple plot gardening, workshops, subs, and airships from ward home ownership.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

So contextually, how can you defend the position that an FC needs a house and an individual does not?

I would also prefer instanced, but I don't see why you think they should take away the possibility for individuals to have houses in the current system.

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Only because the volume of housing is woefully under supplied. It simply doesn’t make sense in the modern age of gaming for a player to not be able to get a house if they have all the in game requirements to do so. And since SE can’t provide enough housing for this, they simply shouldn’t offer it. And yes I am saying this knowing full well how hypocritical I am as an owner of 3 houses.

It makes no sense in game why an internationally (interplanar even) recognized Hero loaded with gil would not have at the very minimum a plot of housing available.

To;dr if it was an issue of server space/strain, it should never have been on the table.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

I love when people ask for changes that are already in game. make me all warm and fuzzy inside

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I love when people quote me and are dead wrong. Once a FC house is purchased, they can kick off the 3 other FC members and have a FC with one person own a house. It gives me the warmest of fuzzies, thanks.