Online store prices are outrageously high!

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

You think Tera's evil?

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I implore you to look up DCUO and their...Time Capsules. (eerie music plays)

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

I implore you to look up DCUO and their...Time Capsules. (eerie music plays)

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NOOOOOOPE! lol. See I really only mention Tera because thats the mmo I played for 4 years before I came here. It was also my first mmo. I was there from the beginning and quit a few months after they put the Rocker outfit in the game. That's around the time the loot boxes started added useless things to the loot table to force you to buy more boxes because getting an item reset the chances or whatever. So I speak from experience and pain. Tho DCUO might be worst but I've never played it.. and with how you mention it...... ye---ah I'mma stick to XIV. No loot boxes or stupid loot tables to play. Just... see and buy.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

All the outfits aren't terribly exciting either: half of em from npc's that are no longer wearing them or are no longer around to wear em, the other half being original designs but kinda bland looking.

We then have the highly disturbing lack of weapon bundles. This one really gets me down, cuz when I go into a cash shop I head over to the weapons section first to see what they've got, see how cool they look, and am somewhat pleased. Mogstation's is extremely pitiful. All you've got are: 1) Scythes 2) all of the Heavensward weapons 3) FFXIII weapons. That's it. No weapons for any other job in that shop, not even my dear Rouge Ninja. Disgraceful.

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The thing with outfits is that they've mastered the art of putting one or two really good utility pieces in each set. There are a number of items that are mostly appealing for the boots, hair decorations or a skirt you can't even see on the full-costume preview. Your opinion may vary on whether this is a good thing or a shameless money grab.

As to weapons, there is indeed a puzzling lack of them, particularly given that there are a number of unique NPC weapons that match costumes already sold in the shop.

Y'shtola's BLM staff from Shadowbringers is being sold now - separately to the outfit and equippable by both genders - and I can only hope they do the same for other weapons at some point. Particularly her WHM staff as there is a general lack of low-level glamours that don't use the tree-branch aesthetic.

(Yes, before anyone brings it up, it would be nice if they let you acquire it in-game. But that seems highly unlikely.)

I know people hate to hear it and i hate to say it but...they are optional.
Also their prices are quite fair-compared to other MMOs like ESO or BDO as a few examples.

its unfortunate that the new mount is so expensive but its what it is.
the price of outfits is okay but every outfit that costs $$$ should be dyable and account bound not character bound.

lvl boosts shouldnt go over lvl 50 imo /shrug

but generally the -optional items- on FFXIV are truly optional.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

FF14's cash may not be that bad at all, but for what it has to offer, it's pretty bad.

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just because it doesn't have what you personally want doesn't mean it's bad. that's just your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

May I introduce you to WoW's 25$ race changes? Or maybe the 30$ faction changes? Or a nice 60$ (last time I checked) level boost for 1 character?



I can however agree that something like mounts and maybe minions should just all be account wide, increase the prices a bit for all I care as long as I would have it on every character, if I ever decide to make an alt.

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WoW's character services are over the top but cosmetics are all account bound. There are no mounts, minions/pets or transmog/glamour pieces (for that one brief time WoW tried to sell those) that go to just one character. Yes, WoW is more focused on alts. You need to reroll to play another class. But still... FFXIV clearly has the ability to make things account bound. New characters of mine still get preorder stuff in the mail the moment the I make them.

The only things that shouldn't be account bound on Mogstation are the obvious things: Dyes, Eternal Bonding, jump potions, retainer jump potions, fantasias

I don't feel there's really greed with ff14's cash shop, greed is charging too much for a mandatory service, or charging too much and putting your company out of business. The game falls in neither category. What's more "outrageous" (if you're of that opinion) is how much players are willing to spend. The fact the mogstation is thriving is enough to justify such prices. Personally it's too expensive for me, but that's my own opinion rather than solid fact.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

May I introduce you to WoW's 25$ race changes? Or maybe the 30$ faction changes? Or a nice 60$ (last time I checked) level boost for 1 character?

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WoW's a fairly bad example to compare to as they have a significantly smaller cash shop, no paid retainers (yet lots of bank space, unlimited glamour storage and unlimited MB sales slots) and a token system that allows you buy literally anything with ingame currency. WoW is better value, it's just a terrible game now.

For some things I think the prices are a little high, such as emotes. For mounts I'd say they are all pretty standard across most MMOs. Some charge more, some charge less. But I'll use WoW since its the closest competitor to make my point. Their mounts are $25. One mount is $30 but it includes a toy. They also have what we call minions here for $10 a pop, and a couple of toys which are also $10. They used to sell glamour headpieces for I think $15 but I'm guessing they weren't very profitable so they stopped selling those. All of that said, WoW's cash shop is pretty minimal. They tend to let their game do the talking for them, even if that talking isn't a whole lot more than a whisper lately. I think my only real bone to pick with the cash shop here is the retainer service. We should have quality storage space for free and a good glamour system for all the money that they make per month. It's pathetic that we don't. Other than that I guess I don't have many issues with it.

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

NOOOOOOPE! lol. See I really only mention Tera because thats the mmo I played for 4 years before I came here. It was also my first mmo. I was there from the beginning and quit a few months after they put the Rocker outfit in the game. That's around the time the loot boxes started added useless things to the loot table to force you to buy more boxes because getting an item reset the chances or whatever. So I speak from experience and pain. Tho DCUO might be worst but I've never played it.. and with how you mention it...... ye---ah I'mma stick to XIV. No loot boxes or stupid loot tables to play. Just... see and buy.

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Interesting. Cuz DCUO was my main MMO for a long time before converting to FFXIV. 4 years ago, they introduced Time Capsules, a fancy alternative for loot boxes. It was ok for a while. But then they went full retard and locked progression/skill points behind them. Years later their Time boxes are still going strong, each one dumber than the last, even more loot added to collect skill points from to the point where they have become P2W.

Now I played Tera a little bit to and really liked it. Never would have thought Loot boxes would slither their way into Tera though.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Now I played Tera a little bit to and really liked it. Never would have thought Loot boxes would slither their way into Tera though.

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They always slither their way into mmos that are either too grindy or launch with no endgame...or both. Those mmos tend to fail so hard that they need to introduce bullshit gambling mechanics to make any kind of profit.

Only problem with outfits is they aren't account-wide. If they would probably would see more people willing to buy them. I for one would pick up a few them that I don't see being worth it as single char purchase.

I'd be almost ok with the prices if they were like the lowered sale prices all the time (at least for furniture or dyes) and if all items were account-wide.

I think I once read that they only have a limited number of slots for account-wide items because of some technical limitations, that's why they can't make everything account-wide. Don't know if that's true, but it sounds weird enough... ;D

I made a bargain with myself that I only buy a cash shop outfit when I'm going to someone's wedding in game.

In real life, I'd be thrilled at a nice new outfit for $20. And in game, it means I can show up to their wedding in something new and shiny.

This method works out well to keep me from splurging on every single new outfit they add, but also to give me a nice treat and a reason to go to in game weddings when I am invited!

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Originally Posted by Iscah

We just had a store-wide sale that ended less than a month ago. The one before that was during last year's Rising - I remember that because I was expecting to wait the year for it to come around again.

Inbetween I'm sure we've had smaller sales, though they weren't what I was looking for personally. But even if there wasn't anything else within your definition, we have certainly had at least two sales in your time here so either you're not watching that closely or you're exaggerating.

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Yes, I was paying attention to sales prior to Rising. The sales were for fantasias and for story/level skip packs which I don't need or want. The sale for the stuff I did want didn't go long enough for me to get more than a few very low price items. I know you all are super rich and can afford everything you want, but some of us are not so lucky.

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

I want you to go play Tera and ESO or any EA game and come back to this one.

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I already played ESO before playing this. I bought nothing from their cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Limonia

I'd be almost ok with the prices if they were like the lowered sale prices all the time (at least for furniture or dyes) and if all items were account-wide.

I think I once read that they only have a limited number of slots for account-wide items because of some technical limitations, that's why they can't make everything account-wide. Don't know if that's true, but it sounds weird enough... ;D

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The more I hear the term "technical limitations" from Squeenix the more I think it's a convenient excuse they came up with on the fly.

I """"wasted"""" 200$ on a picture

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Yes, I was paying attention to sales prior to Rising. The sales were for fantasias and for story/level skip packs which I don't need or want. The sale for the stuff I did want didn't go long enough for me to get more than a few very low price items. I know you all are super rich and can afford everything you want, but some of us are not so lucky.



I already played ESO before playing this. I bought nothing from their cash shop.



The more I hear the term "technical limitations" from Squeenix the more I think it's a convenient excuse they came up with on the fly.

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They aren't going to tailor prices in the store to suit you and only you. It has nothing to do with anyone being super rich or anything else. If you can't afford it, then you can't have it. Period. It is the same for most of us here with anything.

If they have a sale, great. If they don't, then the price is the price. As long as people pay it, it will continue.

If you could stave off buying things from other cash shops in other games, then the same can be done here. There is nothing in the shop needed to play the game.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I know you all are super rich and can afford everything you want, but some of us are not so lucky.

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Sorry but this sounds extremely st*pid. Are you familiar with the word "Luxury"? because that's exactly what those items are. Things made for the people who can pay for them. Plain and simple. On the top of that, those luxuries are 100% unnecesary to play this game at its fullest.


It's like complaining about not being able to afford a Ferrari or the latest iPhone.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I know you all are super rich and can afford everything you want, but some of us are not so lucky.

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Oh, if only that were the case. No, I'm not even remotely rich at all and I doubt that's the case for most of the people here either. I just know how to budget for the occasional online purchase if I truly can't live without it. Even if it takes me months to do so.

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

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Ah that's fair, I retract my earlier statement then. I hadn't realized Tera had gotten that bad since last I played.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Oh if only that were the case. No, I'm not even remotely rich at all and I doubt that's the case for most of the people here either. I just know how to budget for the occasional online purchase if I truly can't live without it. Even if it takes me months to do so.

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Yeah, exactly. Most people have to take it a day or a week at a time. I'm no different. If I want something from the cash shop, chances are I have to make a choice between that or something else because I generally can't do both. There are far more important things to worry about most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Oh, if only that were the case. No, I'm not even remotely rich at all and I doubt that's the case for most of the people here either. I just know how to budget for the occasional online purchase if I truly can't live without it. Even if it takes me months to do so.


Ah that's fair, I retract my earlier statement then. I hadn't realized Tera had gotten that bad since last I played.

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I wish it hadn't gotten that bad... and that was a few years ago mind you since I last played. I touched it here and there on PS4 and it's worst. But no worries I wasn't mad at you or anything. I just needed you to know T.T The rocker outfit scared me.

I do believe most of the $18 outfits were the ones commissioned by the korean/chinese servers for their cash shops.
They were brought over by popular demand.

And the prices they sold them for are equivalent to what they are over here...

We would never have gotten those for cheaper.

This is Final Fantasy XIV, not ESO nor WOW or any other online game with more expensive optional items, just because those games are pricier doesn't mean this one has to follow their practices.


Players can do whatever they want with their money, my problem is I'm not satisfied with the quality of the optional items and the fact not all of them are account-wide, since it's my money I decide if the items are worth it or not.


Now if all the players decided to punish SE with their wallets I'm sure they would end up bowing to the players wishes and making a better game, it's a business after all.


I want a modern FFXIV with models and textures worth of a 4K resolution, most players will agree that what we have right now is far from looking good when zoomed in.


SE excuses itself by saying the PS4 is what holds back the game but they could well make the PC version better and adapt it to the other platforms, players would hardly notice any difference in their own platform and they could always upgrade to PC.


If we had better models and textures then maybe I wouldn't feel the prices for optional items were too expensive, they would still need to be account-wide.


No one can tell whether money from optional items goes back to the game or not, it just doesn't make sense that this game which makes a fortune for SE receives a poor budget for new expansions and content, this game feeds SE, they must make this game better.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

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No one is saying you can't complain. There's a reason 'vote with your wallet' has been tossed around multiple times in this thread and threads like it. If the prices are truly outrageous for you then not buying the products is absolutely a form of protest. What I'm seeing people take issue with is the passive aggressive clap backs and the idea that people /deserve/ these items.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

This is Final Fantasy XIV, not ESO nor WOW or any other online game with more expensive optional items, just because those games are pricier doesn't mean this one has to follow their practices.


Players can do whatever they want with their money, my problem is I'm not satisfied with the quality of the optional items and the fact not all of them are account-wide, since it's my money I decide if the items are worth it or not.


Now if all the players decided to punish SE with their wallets I'm sure they would end up bowing to the players wishes and making a better game, it's a business after all.


I want a modern FFXIV with models and textures worth of a 4K resolution, most players will agree that what we have right now is far from looking good when zoomed in.


SE excuses itself by saying the PS4 is what holds back the game but they could well make the PC version better and adapt it to the other platforms, players would hardly notice any difference in their own platform and they could always upgrade to PC.


If we had better models and textures then maybe I wouldn't feel the prices for optional items were too expensive, they would still need to be account-wide.


No one can tell whether money from optional items goes back to the game or not, it just doesn't make sense that this game which makes a fortune for SE receives a poor budget for new expansions and content, this game feeds SE, they must make this game better.

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And since its not worth it to you, you've lost nothing. Other people feel it is worth something to them so they buy it. Why would people punish them for items that they like and purchase?

All optional, not needed. You do not need a four-person mount.

the ps4 isn't what's holding the game back. it's their threshold of min spec PC requirements to play the game.

Gotta question how they think it's reasonable to price gender-restricted, undyable, self-stored items so high but since it's the only way to get those looks it's not like players have an alternative.

Gotta decide if inferior items with exclusive looks are worth that cost to you, skip it, or wait for a sale.

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Interesting. Cuz DCUO was my main MMO for a long time before converting to FFXIV. 4 years ago, they introduced Time Capsules, a fancy alternative for loot boxes. It was ok for a while. But then they went full retard and locked progression/skill points behind them. Years later their Time boxes are still going strong, each one dumber than the last, even more loot added to collect skill points from to the point where they have become P2W.

Now I played Tera a little bit to and really liked it. Never would have thought Loot boxes would slither their way into Tera though.

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sounds like it did the same thing Tera did T.T We have been abused. :c Well atleast with loot boxes. I don't remember Tera putting points in their cash shop, but if they do I wouldn't put it past them. Why are game companies so mean to us? :c Like just give us good games and we'll stay and play. I promise you.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

No one can tell whether money from optional items goes back to the game or not, it just doesn't make sense that this game which makes a fortune for SE receives a poor budget for new expansions and content, this game feeds SE, they must make this game better.

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It has been stated by YoshiP that mogstation items directly goes into FFXIV and no other sources at SE. Funds acquired from subscriptions and other similar services however are also used for not only FFXIV, but also other titles SE may be developing or supporting.

Furthermore, what people dont understand is that while we have at 'high tide' 1.5 million subs with 18 a sub average (this is sub + spare retainer averaged across player base), this only generates 27 Million a month. That seems like a ton of money, but then you start factoring in taxes, legal services, server costs, building costs, utilities, employee costs (dev teams, financing, marketing, secretary staff, etc), production costs, supplies and resources, outsourcing costs for localization among other things, office supplies, support staffing (janitors, IT, maintenance and the like), other team projects that require funding, and that 27 million shrinks quite a bit. It costs a ton of money to keep a company like SE running, much like any company. Yes, they generate a steady cash revenue and I bet are running a profit, but the point is that just because they pull down 27 million per month when things are great doesnt mean they can spend all 27 million or line their pockets with it.

To put this into perspective, btw, SE employs around 5k people globally with the average salary being 55k, give or take a small bit. This means that per month, they spend about 22 Million in wages. Now of course this is all rough estimates that are thrown together with what you can find on google, but the point is that the money SE makes from FFXIV isnt as much as people think it is.

Barely read the other comments, don't need to. It's capitalism 101, you can charge what the market will bear. People are buyin this stuff, myself included. The market is bearing the price. The price is correct *shrug*

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Yes, I was paying attention to sales prior to Rising. The sales were for fantasias and for story/level skip packs which I don't need or want.

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The Rising 2019 had a Mogstation storewide sale that included mounts, minions, bardings and costumes for 30% off. The Fantasia and story/level skip sale you're referring to came many months after, November in fact, into January this year.

There has been two sales in the time period of your playtime you dictated; seeing as you have the Brave New Y'shtola minion, one can only assume you didn't pay for it seeing as you so vehemently detest the prices dictated by the Mogstation meaning you were present for said sale in 2019. So no, there has been two sales, not one. If you chose not to take advantage of either of these sales that's a you problem.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

I made a bargain with myself that I only buy a cash shop outfit when I'm going to someone's wedding in game.

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That's a cute idea!

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

Yes, I was paying attention to sales prior to Rising. The sales were for fantasias and for story/level skip packs which I don't need or want. The sale for the stuff I did want didn't go long enough for me to get more than a few very low price items. I know you all are super rich and can afford everything you want, but some of us are not so lucky.

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Where did I say I was super rich? I literally said I'd waited most of a year for the sale to come around again so I could buy what I wanted. I still didn't buy everything I wanted.

I buy cash shop items very rarely and very selectively. I don't like the prices, but I've made enough peace with them to occasionally justify purchases. But it's a fact we've had at least two whole-store sales in the last 16 months and they run for a month at a time, therefore there has not been only one sale while you have been here.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

$36 for a mount, $18 for a dress, $10 for barding..

They're already charging a monthly fee for this game on top of base price for the game and sales happen only slightly less often than planetary alignments.

Give us a break, Squeenix. Lower your prices to something reasonable.

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No. Learn to budget. If you can't do that then wait for sales. If that's still too much for you, then your issues aren't exactly SE problem but your own.

Prices aren't in Jems so they can't be truly outrageous...

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Originally Posted by Violet_Galaxy

No. Learn to budget. If you can't do that then wait for sales. If that's still too much for you, then your issues aren't exactly SE problem but your own.

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If their other thread is any indication this is just how they handle themselves on the forums. Being combative toward one's fellow players is just asking for others to respond in kind. Apparently, they have yet to receive that memo.

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Originally Posted by Violet_Galaxy

No. Learn to budget. If you can't do that then wait for sales. If that's still too much for you, then your issues aren't exactly SE problem but your own.

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Ah yes, the only possible reason someone may think that SE charges too much is because they don't know how to budget properly.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Ah yes, the only possible reason someone may think that SE charges too much is because they don't know how to budget properly.

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Or, said person can unsub from this game for two months and wala; there's your Mogstation money. I offered two solutions. Don't see any other solutions but I see a LOT of whining.

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

sounds like it did the same thing Tera did T.T We have been abused. :c Well atleast with loot boxes. I don't remember Tera putting points in their cash shop, but if they do I wouldn't put it past them. Why are game companies so mean to us? :c Like just give us good games and we'll stay and play. I promise you.

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Greeeeeed.

I pay $15 a month plus an additional $50 once every two years for this game, or $410 every 2 years. That gives me basically unlimited access (except for maintenance downtime).

The average household currently pays about $200 a month for cable TV access, or $4800 for 2 years of unlimited access. That's over $4300 dollars more.

Or I could go to a cinema to watch a 2 hour movie each day and pay over $7000 dollars in those 2 years.

I'm not going to complain too much about paying the extra $20 or whatever on occasion when it's still a lot less than I'd be paying for entertainment elsewhere. I'm definitely getting my money's worth and it's usually not hard to shift my budget around a little bit to squeeze that in.

If you don't like the prices they're asking, don't buy. You don't need anything that's on Mogstation to play the game. Those items only represent additional luxury options to further customize your game experience. There are plenty of customization options that come free with the game to use if you're not willing to pay more for the luxury options.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I pay $15 a month plus an additional $50 once every two years for this game, or $410 every 2 years. That gives me basically unlimited access (except for maintenance downtime).

The average household currently pays about $200 a month for cable TV access, or $4800 for 2 years of unlimited access. That's over $4300 dollars more.

Or I could go to a cinema to watch a 2 hour movie each day and pay over $7000 dollars in those 2 years.

I'm not going to complain too much about paying the extra $20 or whatever on occasion when it's still a lot less than I'd be paying for entertainment elsewhere. I'm definitely getting my money's worth and it's usually not hard to shift my budget around a little bit to squeeze that in.

If you don't like the prices they're asking, don't buy. You don't need anything that's on Mogstation to play the game. Those items only represent additional luxury options to further customize your game experience. There are plenty of customization options that come free with the game to use if you're not willing to pay more for the luxury options.

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I feel like we need to keep this for every ime this ridiculous thread pops up. Well said.