Letter from producer- picture and 5.3 launch

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Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...and_community/
ffxiv subreddits is what draw people in.It is where people show the appealing of Fan Arts, Garden&Housing and Glamour. It is where newbie asking and received the help. It is a place where people asking for a convincing idea whether this is a game for them. While what can be found a common thing here is users constantly biting each other and maybe no one haven't said it before but this is the ideal place for a trolling since there is no worry about the downvote. Ironically the subreddits if what make people want to join the community while this OFFICIAL forum make people want to quit.

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I going to disagree. I can tell that most topics there are created to farm karma, by the virtue of copying formats that worked before, and very little useful information. You can find some, of course, sadly is not the norm.

However, is pretty much an endemic problem with Reddit in general.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Fanart definitely isn't what draws me into a game. And most Fanart posted isn't even done by the artists, it's done by people who paid for them.


Reddit is a cesspool because all opinions outside the norm get downvoted and hidden away, so you only ever see "acceptable" opinions.

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I think that's where the forums shine but I could also see where reddit is preferred by some. If you happen to have the accepted view and don't want to be questioned regularly, especially when you're in the mood to zen out, then it's wonderful, everyone agrees with you, the content shown tends to be what you want since you've the 'accepted view' (as per the culture, which is a bit driven by 'when' you look at the site due to time zones), and so it generally might feel good.

Yet if you were looking for a place that'll be diverse and be less influenced (not entirely safe from) the 'view' / mob and or whoever is popular / hot opinion at the time, then I think the forums are a significantly better place to engage.

Ideas and general debate, forums. No downvote hiding and a moderator team that enforces rules that prevent players from turning their flame on too much (can still get heated but you can't start threatening people, swearing at, or attempting to derail / meme their thread just because you don't like it). Challenges because of language difference but in a general sense I think you get a better and more nuanced view of the community by basing feedback off the forums than off reddit, though of course.. you'll still want to check other sources like your own data (people say it's impossible to do this one quest but I see a clear rate of 90%. . . 'hmmm?'?).

Sharing and viewing things within the accepted framework of the general community's view at the time it was posted- getting a lot of value out of flavor of the month concepts, reddit. Bit more free form allowing a stronger flaming that is of the popular opinion (they still have rules though, they're not going to let you dox anyone), sharing of some media that isn't really a thing here (no art sharing is really allowed here), and a voting system that encourages the development of an echo chamber. Which I don't say with entirely negativity, I mean if you want to create a community of sharing cute cat photos then it's probably fine to develop an echo chamber around cute cats- keep your nasty not cat photos out of here sort of thing lol.

I think for ideas/developing opinions and having to deal with the fact the game exists in a community that the forums is better and so in that way I view the echo chamber negatively (again forums are not entirely free from that sort of thing, but more so than reddit, and at least shutting things down things that aren't in that chamber view is much harder)- but sometimes someone is probably not looking to be challenged or interested in knowing about that one person who plays / wants the game to be entirely different than you lol.

Personally I don't use the reddit for too much, but I do enjoy using the filter that is for news and seeing if there is any new interview or something.

(Wasn't a response in disagreement if that wasn't clear- in the sense of reddit and it's 'approved' view, just wanted to personally say why I think the forums is a lot better than some people give credit, at least when having to discuss things, vs reddit which is easier to manipulate for multiple reasons and also may sometimes suffer from being voluntarily moderated which may show a bias beyond just following rules- though I've no experience with FFXIV reddit's moderation team so it's a general comment and not on them specifically).

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Fanart definitely isn't what draws me into a game. And most Fanart posted isn't even done by the artists, it's done by people who paid for them.


Reddit is a cesspool because all opinions outside the norm get downvoted and hidden away, so you only ever see "acceptable" opinions.

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Why do you try to circumvent? Just because you try to close you eyes and fool yourself doesn't mean that ffxivsubreddit doesn't have "Art draw by me" and people like you don't need fan art even if it exist anyway. There still also house and garden and more. Reddit unintentionally end up became an a site that attract and draw new people to the game and make SE gain more profit. In here you only have argument and trolling all the time which only make people want to turn away. No matter how hard you try it isn't going to change the fact this forum is a retreat for people who fear the down vote that would exceed up vote and safe haven for a trolling and people who want to say heartless and cruel thing without backlash because in here you can do that to a certain degree so user who snap first lose the game.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

I going to disagree. I can tell that most topics there are created to farm karma, by the virtue of copying formats that worked before, and very little useful information. You can find some, of course, sadly is not the norm.

However, is pretty much an endemic problem with Reddit in general.

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Why would newbie who join ffxiv and feel great about community there want to create a post just for the sake of farming karma? they can eat it? And what could stopping people in this forum to farm the LIKE by saying thing that people would agreed? farm the like in here is easier since there is no downvote to counter it. You only need to stand on the majority side same with reddit.

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Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz

Why do you try to circumvent? Just because you try to close you eyes and fool yourself doesn't mean that ffxivsubreddit doesn't have "Art draw by me" and people like you don't need fan art even if it exist anyway. There still also house and garden and more. Reddit unintentionally end up became an a site that attract and draw new people to the game and make SE gain more profit. In here you only have argument and trolling all the time which only make people want to turn away. No matter how hard you try it isn't going to change the fact this forum is a retreat for people who fear the down vote that would exceed up vote and safe haven for a trolling and people who want to say heartless and cruel thing without backlash because in here you can do that to a certain degree so user who snap first lose the game.

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I never said it didn't. What I said was "Most fanart is commissioned by someone else and posted by the one who paid." Not "No artists post their own art".

Also, there is very little actual toxicity on the forums, because those people get banned fairly quickly. Reddit has far more, it just gets downvoted. But you know what else gets downvoted? Things that go against the hivemind. I've posted correct, factual information directly in response to a question, with no sarcasm or condescension, and been downvoted for it. Reddit is awful.

People say the forums are a place for carebears because you get banned easily (you dont, if you follow the rules) and because everyone just praises SE or gets banned (also factually incorrect) but on Reddit if you dis the game, you also get downvoted into oblivion, but at least here some discussion happens over dissenting opinions.

When they originally said the patch would be delayed for at least a month (originally slated for June 16th) I said that means around 2 months in final fantasy lingo. Boom, almost 2 months to the day, damn I'm good at this. Sucks, but what can you do. Bliz hasn't even hinted at when the pre-patch will be, let alone release date for SL Xpac, so I guess we're kinda lucky.

The game definitely feels like a patch is overdue. That said given the circumstances what can anyone really say. Its understandable things have been delayed. I've just been playing other games.


....I got so bored in game I actually levelled fisher finally.