[request] Could we please fix 2b leggings for lalafell?

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

As far as using a child to model clothes - Lalafell barely hit 3' as a max height. I'm thinking a kid was probably easier to find vs. a dwarf for sizing purposes. In addition to that, the exert mentions how the outfit was outfitted for adventuring. I've never once thought that the outfits have looked like children's clothes. They fit in just fine with the other racial outfits (several which also include a dress/skirt variety for their females).

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You may not think they do, but the developers who iterated and created those outfits in-game do.

Prominent FFXIV related discords have been slapped with de-partners, warnings and bans over Lalafell related uh... content, because to the outside observer it's impossible to reasonably differentiate. Heck, the guy who runs the largest Lalafell Discord was straight banned from Discord because of his... proclivities.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

You may not think they do, but the developers who iterated and created those outfits in-game do.

Prominent FFXIV related discords have been slapped with de-partners, warnings and bans over Lalafell related uh... content, because to the outside observer it's impossible to reasonably differentiate. Heck, the guy who runs the largest Lalafell Discord was straight banned from Discord because of his... proclivities.

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You cherry picked a single point of my post. You flat ignored, or didn't read all the comments about how they are cute, therefore children - and then ironically keep using their cute clothing and looks as justification for their being children. You flat ignored that the game, SE, and the lore, depicts the lalafell as adults, and small elves, but I'm doing mental gymnastics? This isn't even an opinion. It's fact. Lalafells are adults, unless specifically stated otherwise in a story.

Being cute, androgynous, short, wearing cute/childish clothing, or being hairless doesn't mean not-adult. Also, the lalafell can, and do, have beards/facial hair. Children do not.

I don't care what random people, who don't play the game, think of a drawing, out of context. Showing concept art with random clothing is not proof that lalafells are children. They are small elves. Elves are often depicted as hairless and beautiful, youthful, and androgynous. That does not mean they're not adults. It does not mean that putting certain clothing on them makes anyone a pervert.

My mother is very short, and shops in the children's section often, for herself. She's 60. Is she a child?

There are other races which are small and/or cute. Nu mou. Goblins. Dwarves. Mammets. Are they children? No? Because they aren't cute? Aren't elven with mild resemblance to humans?

This really boils down to you, and others, thinking light clothing, and nudity, is inherently sexual, and people thinking only cute humanoid looks matter, not age, or species, or direct depictions, or lore.

If someone is sexually attracted to children, that's gross. This isn't about that. Discord bans people for all kinds of random stuff that doesn't make sense. I don't care about Discord. Discord does not decide the lore for the game, or anything else for the game.

Lalafells are a small elvish race, and are adults, and can murder, pillage, battle, die, and wear what they want. SE depicts it that way. The lore depicts it that way. You're claiming SE *wants* them to be children, but the fact is they don't depict them as children, at all, unless you think heavy drinking, sex, joining armies, murdering, and being courtesans is normal for a child.

In the end, the point is that it's annoying that all the other races get one look, but it's "made more modest" for lalafell, at random times, even though they're able to wear equally "revealing" clothing in other instances (Coeurl briefs, fish-net stockings, high heels, etc).

Yeah no, we don't need butt armor on lalafells. Full stop.

It would look weird as heck anyway. We are talking about the 2B butt right? The shape would look obnoxious in the first place.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yeah no, we don't need butt armor on lalafells. Full stop.

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Don't know why lalas (the curvy race) have to be excluded from the butts.
We don't need butt armour on any of the races.

This post is more about fixing how they look. Replacing the tiny pixelated panty with the same sized one the other races get.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Well, it is true.
https://i.imgur.com/Xeaau3n.jpg

"Originally modeled on a spirited kindergarten-aged boy. The smock and satchel were adapted for adventuring. It occurred to me after that if Lalafell were taller, this might resemble a <can't read> in Dragon Quest<someone with better eyes confirm this last bit?>



As far as using a child to model clothes - Lalafell barely hit 3' as a max height. I'm thinking a kid was probably easier to find vs. a dwarf for sizing purposes. In addition to that, the exert mentions how the outfit was outfitted for adventuring. I've never once thought that the outfits have looked like children's clothes. They fit in just fine with the other racial outfits (several which also include a dress/skirt variety for their females).



I'd say Lalafell fall more into the chibi category as they are definitely cute and tiny and a bit more exaggerated in their shape than the other races. I do think that Lalafell, out of all the races, are definitely the most childlike - but I've never viewed mine or any as an actual child. The game also doesn't view or treat them as children either. As it was mentioned earlier in this thread, there are Lalas doing plenty of horrible things in this game, none of which would be suitable for an actual child to be taking part in.

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I totally agree.

Lalafell are chibi. That's their niche in this anime based game.

As part of this niche, they have an "openness" and express their emotions for all to see. In Japan, that makes them childlike.

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Just find it kinda weird how some people can fix this issue while a group of devs cannot.

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Whoa! Not going to share the link because it's a bannable offense to use the add-on. But, I'm impressed by the artist's work.

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This post is more about fixing how they look. Replacing the tiny pixelated panty with the same sized one the other races get.

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Definitely. I'm not seeing why folks are trying to take this request down the "it's sexualizing children" road. It's a simple request to fix a gear issue.

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Originally Posted by Omymy

Says the grown man playing a child character and taking it seriously, hahahaha.

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Eh, yes. And it was also grown men who create those "child characters" and take it serious and even getting paid for it. And their success (population of Lalafell players) is pretty obvious.

But then, it's just you: Mr. "I-can-afford-more-than-two-meals-a-day" as reasoning as why Square Enix should translate this game into Spanish and his cheap attempts at trolling. I will respond just once and for the last time to you:

How is it to spend your money on a Fantasia - on a game you really dislike as seen in those WoW threads with having all jobs on Level 80 while posting on the forums you hate and cry about the moderation everytime - just to become a "child" yourself - and all the other nasty things you called Lalafell players? It's called "hypocrisy".

November 19th. Just right after you, a "grown man", behaved like a child in the Lalafell thread for hours straight (with a warning and removed posts of you), this happened.

https://imgur.com/qxwCDVp.png

You really need your daily internet fights, don't you? If you don't get your upvotes by attacking people's choices you can't sleep well that night, isn't it? Do you really get your kicks out of ad hominem attacks? How is it to be angry all day and resort to such nonsense? Please grow up (Which is pretty funny in this context) and learn to tolerate that people are different. That is part of being an adult.


Sincerely,
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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

...Are......are you trying to imply that potatoes aren't food?

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Are you trying to imply hares aren't food? Let's be honest, you are closer to be food there, no reason to try to distract :)

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All I can say is the lalafell probably could've used a new body rig when they rebuilt the game to use a more "midget" body base rather than a potato body. Sadly what's done is done, probably would've saved a whole bunch of "misunderstandings" later on with certain people too not to mention design issues.

Oh and just for fun.... Japanese Yuyuhase says hello.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj6eQ7oitJo

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Originally Posted by Raiya

All I can say is the lalafell probably could've used a new body rig when they rebuilt the game to use a more "midget" body base rather than a potato body. Sadly what's done is done, probably would've saved a whole bunch of "misunderstandings" later on with certain people too not to mention design issues.

Oh and just for fun.... Japanese Yuyuhase says hello.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj6eQ7oitJo

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Looking at the example image in this link, it doesn't look bad, considering the popoto proportions

A fix would be nice. I would also like an option to have a hempen camise NOT be a frilly shirt. I was so disappointed when I saw I couldn't have a basic halter top too, that thing could go with SO MUCH. As it is I use the camise dyed pure white so the lace is less prevalent.

Also I wish the lala haters would find better things to do than hijack all the lala threads to boast about how much they hate the sight of them. We get it and we don’t care. Those of us who play as lalas obviously enjoy them and while I can’t speak for others I do NOT view my character as a child in the slightest. I just think she’s adorable.

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Originally Posted by Lolli282

A fix would be nice. I would also like an option to have a hempen camise NOT be a frilly shirt. I was so disappointed when I saw I couldn't have a basic halter top too, that thing could go with SO MUCH. As it is I use the camise dyed pure white so the lace is less prevalent.

Also I wish the lala haters would find better things to do than hijack all the lala threads to boast about how much they hate the sight of them. We get it and we don’t care. Those of us who play as lalas obviously enjoy them and while I can’t speak for others I do NOT view my character as a child in the slightest. I just think she’s adorable.

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While It would need more inventory/glamour dresser space, It would be pretty nice to have all those hempen designs unlocked for all races. I really like the top piece Au Ra girls have

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Lalafells barely have legs anyway. Heck, they don't even have knees.

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LMFAO.

I'd like to see a picture of a lala with the 2b bottoms on.

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Originally Posted by QueenSheba

LMFAO.

I'd like to see a picture of a lala with the 2b bottoms on.

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A simple example would be this one

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must be a slow forum day, when people other than Titanmen are necroing old threads.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Wait... Do lalas even have butts? ;P

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Yes. According to the lvl 50 WHM relic bottoms, lala's have the thiccest butt. I like lalafel. I am lalafel sometimes. And yes I wish the clothes fit them better but I also enjoy the fashion challenge they represent.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

must be a slow forum day, when people other than Titanmen are necroing old threads.

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It's for a good cause in this case. Lalafells deserve a proper rear buff just, like all other races. After seeing what some people have done with No.2 Type B Leggings Lala model in the PC version (using the same model as the one for all other races), it actually looks good on them.

Meh they look fine to me. No need to taint the best race in game with more ERP glams.

I don't like how the No.2 Type B Leggings look like and how they modify the body, so I don't use them. But, they're the only ones I have that match Strife Vest on my miqo'te.

My lala retainer got it with my previous stuff: it looks... not nicely.

So, yes, fixing it on lalas would be nice!



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Originally Posted by LittleImp

mental gymnastics ahoy
https://i.imgur.com/JgCsKj0.png

they're written like that in game because the devs think the juxtaposition is humorous.

Halflings/dwarve/elves in western fantasy settings almost always have the physical features/proportions associated with a sexually mature humanoid, so conflating the two is pretty disingenuous. It really has nothing to do with ugly/cute.

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This feels like conjecture on your part.

You have to understand that Lalafell NPCs are regarded as adults and are sexualized by the game thru the implementation of Lalafell NPCs who are courtesans, suggestively flirtatious, or out-flat state having such histories and proclivities, in addition to the outfit and character design choices that the developers allow players to equip, animations, poses, etc.

It just doesn't make sense for it to be a running joke on SE's part with all of this being there.

Also, the excerpt from the page clearly intends to mean that the *outfit or its design* was "modeled on a high-spirited kindergarten-aged boy" not the character design itself. Had it intended to be interpreted as 'the character' and not the outfit, it would have been made more clear in both the Japanese text and the translation.

Edit: I found a page shot. It's very clear that it's referring to the outfit and not the character as a whole. This is furthered by the fact that the rest of the sentence seems to care more about the outfit design itself on both the segment for the Mi'qote.

Some people might disagree because ""Originally modeled on a spirited kindergarten-aged boy." is its own sentence, but that's just a formality. If the designers really did base the appearance and proportions of lalafell off of a real child, then they'd probably be more clear about that.
It's obvious to anyone with eyes and a brain that they do not resemble real-life children, even when compared against the other races within the game, and the fact that they are described by the developers as 'child-like' doesn't really prove anything either, since such an argument would misappropriate the term 'child-like' to mean something different.

It wouldn't be out of the ordinary to assume that they may have looked at how this type of clothing wraps around a child's body to gauge a sense of personal scale as to further their small stature, but it's also far more likely that they just had reference materials on-hand that were wholly artificial and just used those.

https://jonypblog.files.wordpress.co...10/foto-31.jpg

Out of all the things to necro

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Originally Posted by Lolli282

A fix would be nice. I would also like an option to have a hempen camise NOT be a frilly shirt. I was so disappointed when I saw I couldn't have a basic halter top too, that thing could go with SO MUCH. As it is I use the camise dyed pure white so the lace is less prevalent.

Also I wish the lala haters would find better things to do than hijack all the lala threads to boast about how much they hate the sight of them. We get it and we don’t care. Those of us who play as lalas obviously enjoy them and while I can’t speak for others I do NOT view my character as a child in the slightest. I just think she’s adorable.

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The next issue is that we then have to put on even skimpier clothes to get a similar effect. Even SE themself has seen this as a problem: All of Rowenas employees in Revenants Toll wear the hempen halter top, but the Lalafell wears a bikini top.

Either a bikini top or a potato sack. There is not much in between.