Umbrellas...? And less content...?

With 70+ dungeons in the game, they just need to grow some testicles and make a dozen of them actually challenging. Solves a lot of issues. Its no surprise dungeons are unpopular. They are released outdated, follow the same pattern every time, drop useless loot and need to be spammed for tomestones.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

*Squeals in t-Virus*

Unlikely and would seem out of place but the thought is cool.

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*Plays the Mandraville theme song*

We have the 2B butts back so people is happy enough.

Thats the community we deserve, haha.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

*Squeals in t-Virus*

Unlikely and would seem out of place but the thought is cool.

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Nah, just have the Gentle Dead Men try to recruit them. It won't seem out of place at all.

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Originally Posted by Omymy

We have the 2B butts back so people is happy enough.

Thats the community we deserve, haha.

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Well, everyone deserves a happy community.

Umbrella gonna be weapon with no materia slots for White Mage that requires 1000 perfect scores at Air Force One.

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Originally Posted by linay

Well, everyone deserves a happy community.

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My cat's breath smells like cat food.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

Umbrella gonna be weapon with no materia slots for White Mage that requires 1000 perfect scores at Air Force One.

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And every healer leveled to 80, each with every previous expansion's relic completely finished and relic armor sets from Eureka (including Baldesion Arsenal upgrades to all).

I used to be in a raiding group in another game several years ago. We had faaaaarrr fewer dungeons (probably no more than a dozen), but we ran them repeatedly just for fun and just to help others get gear, even if the people weren't in our "FC" (different game, different terminology). Sometimes some of us would gather with people from other groups and we'd do a raid and occasionally fail in a spectacular way. Sometimes we'd enter a dungeon purposefully not having looked up the mechanics just to see what would happen. We had naked raids, drunk raids, and raids where we all played the same class. We raided for fun more than anything else.

But the community here seems very different. I'm not near raiding level but just from reading the forums it seems most people here treat dungeons as a necessity, not something that's done for fun, and that's unfortunate. When you enter an instance with the only expectation being that you'll enjoy your time, and you don't care about rushing through or getting this or that as loot, it's much more enjoyable. As soon as there are expectations of loot or XP, an instance takes on a different meaning.

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Originally Posted by Niyuka

With 70+ dungeons in the game, they just need to grow some testicles and make a dozen of them actually challenging. Solves a lot of issues. Its no surprise dungeons are unpopular. They are released outdated, follow the same pattern every time, drop useless loot and need to be spammed for tomestones.

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This is a point where I wonder if SE is paying any attention. Beyond a couple gates to prevent pulling, the dungeons are almost exactly the same template when it comes to dungeon population and pacing. 100% same kind of scripting.

My beef is that playing favorite jobs in those dungeons was it's own reward by having an overabundance of skills you couldn't possibly find a use for first time inside a new place. Then every conscutive run after was the fun trying to exploit as much as possible of what you had. Now everyone has a decdicated aoe button you press until a pack is dead.

Dungeons have been the same, jobs have regressed, classes are less than a footnote and to solve boring dungeons instead of doing the sensible things, making sure jobs are fun from moment to moment they use chainsaw to pick a flower by spending Lloyd knows how many hours on Blu skills.

I just want punch job to be better so I can be out in the world punching things all day long.

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Originally Posted by Bonbori

As long as it's not Eureka (or anything remotely resembling it) again.

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It’s gonna be more Eureka. Nothing they have done so far has proven otherwise.

If I look at the content released for 5.1 as a pattern for future content (and it looks like 5.2 will be similar) then the future looks bleak for the more casual players:

• 24 man raid: content you usuall run only once or twice a week for the coin and maybe the glamor piece of the week
• Ex trial: a trial so overtuned (and designed that way) that's it very, very hard to PUG it. You only needed to look at the PF during the first few weeks to see how popular that was.
• Ultimate: favoritism content for the minority of the minority of players
• Crafting overhaul: that was actually needed long ago
• Ishgard restauration: a 2 week one-trick pony that only is used for leveling crafters now
• PvP: you only need to look at the queues to see how popular that content is
• BLU stuff: another throw-away piece of content. I can gurantee you that in 4 weeks you will never find other players to complete your spell book unless you pester your friends.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

They specifically said they are reducing the dungeon output to focus energy on new kinds of content. Let's wait and see what this is and experience it before we draw conclusions.

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Like we got more casual content when they already killed two dungeons in the expansions before that? Honestly I will only be fine with the decrease of a dungeon if we get more content for the majority..if its just another Ultimate or Eureka like niche content then I wont like that. SE please dont exchange casual content for niche content. Let us have something fun for everyone.

But I am looking forward to Umbrellas as long as they are not behind a paywall or a huge amount of grind..seeing where they put the some of the requested mounts I am remaining skeptical.

That title is pretty exaggerated... more contet in exchange for one dungeon now hmmm which is better.

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Originally Posted by Bonbori

Clearly they meant Umbrella Corporation, confirming a Resident Evil crossover!

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Oh boi, count me in :D (if only, if only...)

But doesn't 1 dungeon per patch mean more dungeons. Cause 5.15 and 5.17 and so on those kinda things are patches to.

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Originally Posted by Kogasan

But doesn't 1 dungeon per patch mean more dungeons. Cause 5.15 and 5.17 and so on those kinda things are patches to.

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I don't think they meant minipatches, just say 5.1, 5.2, etc

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Originally Posted by Valic

I imagine it wouldn't just be a mount, but something that could be used within town areas. Maybe its a walk emote like I've always wanted, where you can change how you walk around or holding something while walking.

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I get second hand shivers from seeing my poor WoL half drowned in the heavy rain of Eastern Thanalan. I'd love to pop one open on the spot.

Umbrella should have been a weapon for a potential Meteorologist job.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

We aren't getting less dungeons because of resources, we are getting less dungeons because there are so many in the game and they want to keep content fresh rather than stagnant. Something I agree with. We got a ridiculous amount of content in 5.1 compared to past patches (24 man, Hades EX, Ultimate, Ishgard restoration, BLU, PVP, New game +,massive overhaul of crafting and gathering, and a large number of other changes and additions such as fellowships), so complaining about less content is kinda ignorant if not entitled.

Also did you completely ignore the fact that we are getting an additional trial in 5.2? That alone, regardless of what it is, makes up for a lost dungeon.

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If you read the first post in full, you could see I wasn't complaining. xD I was asking if they specified whether 1 less dungeon means more content elsewhere, or if we should be concerned (i.e. less content over all). But thanks for the response! That seems to be the general idea (more content), but so far it seems shaky as to what that "more content" will take place as.

I'm honestly amazed so many responded to this thread. Only expected one or two comments to explain and that be it. xD /Goes to read all the comments

After reading a bit:

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Originally Posted by Leloa

That title is pretty exaggerated... more contet in exchange for one dungeon now hmmm which is better.

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When people don't read the original post and just presumptuously post. xD /Shrugs/ Why even post? Just makes you look silly.

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Originally Posted by Conando

It’s gonna be more Eureka. Nothing they have done so far has proven otherwise.

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I would cry (legitimately cry - probably) if it turned out to be more Eureka. They really need to just... Let it go. I think it's neat that they're removing enemies from Diadem so DoL can gather in peace, though.

Hopefully it doesn't turn out to just be DoL/DoH. I get they're trying to push them, but it's really not my thing. I like making money via dungeon-running/raiding with friends. DoL is pretty therapeutic weirdly enough (I'll probably won't invest in it, though... maybe?), but crafting is just... not my thing.

Not really sure how I feel about umbrellas (be they mounts or something). If it is a mount and it turns out to be Poppins' style, could easily just hover you over the ground in non-flight areas like that hand mount does. It just seems kind of random, so... Guess I'll just have to wait and see what it is, along with what this new content will be. xD

P.S. A friend I were talking about this, and we both agree that regular content (i.e. dungeons) and DoL/H content shouldn't be struggling for power (or as he put it "at war with each other). We both think since SE is such a big company, both content should be achievable side-by-side -- ideally. If they're sacrificing content for the sake of a different type of content, then perhaps (though this is obvious even before now) they should add more people to their team and delegate better so that they can continue to provide. But that's an ideal and it will never happen, so there's that. Hopefully it means more MSQ or other content pretty much everyone would do as opposed to just DoL/H stuff.

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Originally Posted by Gula

I get second hand shivers from seeing my poor WoL half drowned in the heavy rain of Eastern Thanalan. I'd love to pop one open on the spot.

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Oh good, I'm not the only one!

That heavy rain just looks so miserable to be out in, you can practically feel it.

Honestly I will probably end up collectively spending more time /gposing with an umbrella than I would in whatever new dungeon they would have added instead...

I know everyone's got their preferred content but "slightly more variety in ex dungeons" isn't one of mine so it's hard for me to get upset about getting one dungeon instead of two. We're still getting a dungeon.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Are you telling me you actually enjoy dungeons?

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Yes actually I do, I only wish they were a little longer. I do like dungeon crawling.

I don't mind 8 man content.... but all those are is a single boss fight... that's pretty much it, It's like cheating and skipping the entire thing and just going straight to the end. While I don't mind this on occasion, there's no real meat to it and its done in a heartbeat... THOSE are the types of things I tend to only do once and never again.

Its like bubble gum and candy without ever eating the full meal.

The 24 man raids I do enjoy but then again they are the full course, a full self contained adventure. I feel "full" when I get done with one.

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Originally Posted by Niyuka

With 70+ dungeons in the game, they just need to grow some testicles and make a dozen of them actually challenging. Solves a lot of issues. Its no surprise dungeons are unpopular. They are released outdated, follow the same pattern every time, drop useless loot and need to be spammed for tomestones.

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I guess you are unfamiliar with what happened with Pharos Sirius during 2.1. It was noticeably more difficult than Copperbell Mines (HM) and Haukke Manor (HM). Hard enough that players regularly dropped out enough that they needed to add the withdraw penalty.

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Originally Posted by Sloprano

This is a point where I wonder if SE is paying any attention. Beyond a couple gates to prevent pulling, the dungeons are almost exactly the same template when it comes to dungeon population and pacing. 100% same kind of scripting.

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This design template is the result of how players did 2.0 and 2.1 dungeons. Notice how all the 2.0 and 2.1 dungeons but Haukke Manor (HM) have side paths and many of those side paths have minor optional rewards? Most dungeon runs completely ignored the side paths even when fairly new. The gates were even added to stop tank sac strats likely those used in Amdapor Keep. you may not like it but the devs adjusted dungeon design to how players were doing them.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Also did you completely ignore the fact that we are getting an additional trial in 5.2? That alone, regardless of what it is, makes up for a lost dungeon.

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We get additional trials all the time. The Crysalis, Yojimbo, etc. This extra trial does not make up for 1 less dungeon. Pretty soon it'll be 1 new dungeon every other patch.

How come they are replacing the dungeon with an umbrella? No one asked for an umbrella?

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

If you read the first post in full, you could see I wasn't complaining. xD I was asking if they specified whether 1 less dungeon means more content elsewhere, or if we should be concerned (i.e. less content over all). But thanks for the response! That seems to be the general idea (more content), but so far it seems shaky as to what that "more content" will take place as.

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Thats how SE releases content, something which I do have an issue with. Toning down dungeons for the content we are getting is a good thing, the problem is that long form content comes out of the gate half baked so they can spread it across the expansion. Thats an entirely different issue for a different thread though.

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Originally Posted by Gula

I get second hand shivers from seeing my poor WoL half drowned in the heavy rain of Eastern Thanalan. I'd love to pop one open on the spot.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Oh good, I'm not the only one!

That heavy rain just looks so miserable to be out in, you can practically feel it.

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Given that I'll relocate to under cover if it starts raining while I'm crafting in places in Idyllshire, what I'd love is for one of my retainers to appear and hold an umbrella over me if I'm crafting when it rains. Would glam them all in maid/butler attire.

We are cutting content for casuals in half, here have umbrella mount and be quiet. hehehe

Tommorow we will cut raids in 2, but here you will be able to wear two pieces of head gear at the same time, we specially hired college intern to do it for us, i hope you are looking forward to it!

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Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR

... Should we be a little concerned? What's going on? Did they specify why this is happening?

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I knew this was going to get posted. Every time something in the game is reduced, like dungeons, everyone runs to the forums and says "Should we be concerned? Is the game dying."

Uh, no. A quick google search reveals that FFXIV is not only doing well, but is thriving. And it single-handedly carried Square Enix through 2019.

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Originally Posted by Lium

I knew this was going to get posted. Every time something in the game is reduced, like dungeons, everyone runs to the forums and says "Should we be concerned? Is the game dying."
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Did people also miss the other content we are getting? Like a whole new Location for High-end fishing?
As well as 2 new trials?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Did people also miss the other content we are getting? Like a whole new Location for High-end fishing?
As well as 2 new trials?

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Whole location, pfft, lol, like a whole reused model of ship and a sea, that's alot of work.
Trials is easier to design than a dungeon, let's be honest, circular area vs big place where you can run around and explore.
But game is nowhere to be close to be considered "dying", rather it's success making pressure on little team that's trying their best while people want from them more, because game grown so much. It's completely SE fault of not getting enough support for devs to not only increase quality, but a quantity of a content as well.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Did people also miss the other content we are getting? Like a whole new Location for High-end fishing?
As well as 2 new trials?

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Basically if it's not the content they want, they will complain that SE is taking out contents.

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

Whole location, pfft, lol, like a whole reused model of ship and a sea, that's alot of work.
Trials is easier to design than a dungeon, let's be honest, circular area vs big place where you can run around and explore.
It's completely SE fault of not getting enough support for devs to not only increase quality, but a quantity of a content as well.

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Its still new content. The complaint is we are getting Less. Adding a new High end area for a Gathering Job, and adding 2 new Trials isn't Losing Content.

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Originally Posted by Fland

Basically if it's not the content they want, they will complain that SE is taking out contents.

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Sounds like it lol

Let's pretend you had a good car, then someone changed it to bicycle. You can still ride on it, but it's not a car anymore. Also, one new trial, we were gonna get one anyway on patch cycle like they always do.
But most important question here, why we need to lose something over something, when the game income grows with it popularity? Who no one ask that, why we can't have both?

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

Let's pretend you had a good car, then someone changed it to bicycle. You can still ride on it, but it's not a car anymore. Also, one new trial, we were gonna get one anyway on patch cycle like they always do.
But most important question here, why we need to lose something over something, when the game income grows with it popularity? Who no one ask that, why we can't have both?

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I think you might be in the minority for thinking that trials are worse content than dungeons, unless you are a big cycling enthusiast, me personally would take the fishing over both.

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

Let's pretend you had a good car, then someone changed it to bicycle. You can still ride on it, but it's not a car anymore. Also, one new trial, we were gonna get one anyway on patch cycle like they always do.
But most important question here, why we need to lose something over something, when the game income grows with it popularity? Who no one ask that, why we can't have both?

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Why do people love to make weird analogies like this...? How and why would they change my car into a bike?
They would have to completely deconstruct the base to do so, that isn't happening to FFXIV. They just decided that they are gonna cut back on 2 new dungeons per Major Patch, and give us one instead. They are still working on producing new content, and continuing the games MSQ Storyline.

Here is a counter question...why are people flipping out over getting 1 dungeon instead of 2? Especially when people have complained that XIV's dungeons are boring, or dont matter after a run or 3. Maybe by getting 1, they can work on making that 1 better since they can put more time into it. Or heck, Im not gonna sit here and pretend I know things or be an Armchair-Developer, but who is to say that the extra time they took back by doing 1 dungeon instead of 2 won't free up more time for other content? Content that we dont know about yet thats in the works?
Y'know, like the Customization things they said they were doing for the Hrothgar and the Viera that people are complaining about not getting sooner.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Here is a counter question...why are people flipping out over getting 1 dungeon instead of 2? Especially when people have complained that XIV's dungeons are boring, or dont matter after a run or 3. Maybe by getting 1, they can work on making that 1 better since they can put more time into it. Or heck, Im not gonna sit here and pretend I know things or be an Armchair-Developer, but who is to say that the extra time they took back by doing 1 dungeon instead of 2 won't free up more time for other content? Content that we dont know about yet thats in the works?
Y'know, like the Customization things they said they were doing for the Hrothgar and the Viera that people are complaining about not getting sooner.

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I've said it many times before but yeah, everything they've said has made it sound like they couldn't do the missing genders a keep pumping out the amount of content at the pace they are. This decrease is legit the only thing that gives me a tiny dot of hope for ever seeing them.

No matter what they add ... be it the missing genders or a better Deep Dungeon or fishing raid boat or housing, some people will just not see the connection in redirecting resources.

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Originally Posted by Fland

Basically if it's not the content they want, they will complain that SE is taking out contents.

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Yeah, sure, but it's been three expansions worth of them experimenting with things that I don't really like.