Upcoming ninja changes for 5.08 and 5.1

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

You really misunderstood here. I'm saying make suiton 1 button, along with the others. You'd end up with 7 on your hotbar vs the 4 we have now, but with all the other action pruning there's definitely room for it. And you probably wouldn't even place hyoton or fuma in this case.

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Then I didn't misunderstand at all. That's exactly how I interpreted it, and exactly what I do not want.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Then I didn't misunderstand at all. That's exactly how I interpreted it, and exactly what I do not want.

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I'd be surprised if they did that considering the design of NIN. Since going into "mudra' doesn't allow you to WS they should just change it where Weaponskills are turned into the juts you want to perform. They could easily make it where you "cast" ninjutsu now so each jutsu would have a short timer from .5 secs to 1.5 seconds instead of something being reliant on human input.

As for why they don't put mudra on client side, it's because the main issue is the limitations of what a server can handle information wise. They tried as best as they could with mudra activation being as responsive as possible but they are now at the conclusion that in it's current design it hinders any forward momentum NIN would have as the level cap continues to increase.

It's painfully obvious this Expansion because of all the micro NIN has to deal with, micro that isn't hard to handle in theory however the moment you try to cast a jutsu and your mudra lags for a second before inputting and throws your whole flow off. By removing that variable of mudra input the current design of NIN could work because now it can flow quicker with jutsu being used as it should be designed for, in between weaponskills.

Since in theory with the 2 second weaponskill cooldown and the .5 second between each mudra, a NIN in theory should be able to cast a ninjutsu before their Weaponskill recharges but because of internet latency it's not possible.

Doing mudras was something that makes you feel like a ninja playing the class (call me a Narutard if ya want) it would literally just be better if we could have weaponskills not cause them to fail.

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Originally Posted by Airget

I'd be surprised if they did that considering the design of NIN. Since going into "mudra' doesn't allow you to WS they should just change it where Weaponskills are turned into the juts you want to perform. They could easily make it where you "cast" ninjutsu now so each jutsu would have a short timer from .5 secs to 1.5 seconds instead of something being reliant on human input.

As for why they don't put mudra on client side, it's because the main issue is the limitations of what a server can handle information wise. They tried as best as they could with mudra activation being as responsive as possible but they are now at the conclusion that in it's current design it hinders any forward momentum NIN would have as the level cap continues to increase.

It's painfully obvious this Expansion because of all the micro NIN has to deal with, micro that isn't hard to handle in theory however the moment you try to cast a jutsu and your mudra lags for a second before inputting and throws your whole flow off. By removing that variable of mudra input the current design of NIN could work because now it can flow quicker with jutsu being used as it should be designed for, in between weaponskills.

Since in theory with the 2 second weaponskill cooldown and the .5 second between each mudra, a NIN in theory should be able to cast a ninjutsu before their Weaponskill recharges but because of internet latency it's not possible.

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They are not going to remove mudra input, they literally said that putting mudras together is staying

What if all they do is... Leav Ninjutsu oGCD, but make it so that you hit that first to turn your regular Weaponskills into your Mudra actions and once you have done your mudra combos you hit the Ninjutsu button again to cast you ninjutsu.

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Originally Posted by Insoluble

Really though, replace TA with SA. Bring back Sneak Attack with higher potency but have it’s positional requirement be the same as current TA. This change would keep Suiton useful and provide NINs with a decent skill for dps.

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Honestly I'm all for this. Trick Attack being from the back and not being called Sneak Attack has always bugged me...

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

What if all they do is... Leav Ninjutsu oGCD, but make it so that you hit that first to turn your regular Weaponskills into your Mudra actions and once you have done your mudra combos you hit the Ninjutsu button again to cast you ninjutsu.



Honestly I'm all for this. Trick Attack being from the back and not being called Sneak Attack has always bugged me...

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Like dancer steps, think that might be the route they are gonna go, since adding dnc in, they saw how it works

Hello Ninjas and Square Enix,

I'm a ninja since the job exist. I take 2 minutes to explain my opinion about the actual ninja.

The issue is the off GCD where we need to do Suiton to use Meisui. There is no other issue on that job.

To fix it, there is some possibilities:

- Remove Meisui and add a stack on Mug, like kassatsu.

- Change Meisui trigger status. It could be like Assassinate by using Dream within a dream. What about every time we use a Ninjutsu, Meisui CD drop by XY second?

- Why we cannot rework Hide and add an in combat effect? It could be use to add Hide aspect and than make Meisui only usable in Hide stance.

There is alot of thing Square-Enix can do. Please, don't broke my favorite job!

Thanks,
Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by armandojc3

IMO. Make trick attack self buff only, push the damage to be similar as other melee DPS, make huton permanent, allow mobility during Ten Chi Jin, remove Hide requirement for everything, make mudras client side and increase their damage to make up for GCD loss.

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IMO. Stay monk.

....... gonna either ruin everyones day, or get a lot of laughs.

Ranged ninja, either throwing weapons like DNC or caster with Ninjutsu


Have fun xD

Apparently... it ruined days xD xD xD

Ten Chi Jin should be castable while moving. After Stormblood, all that liberating, ninjas would breathe mudras.